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It certainly could be the food doesn't agree with her, but there could be a lot of other reasons. The above sentence makes me think it's probably not a sensitivity to the food. If she's fed in the morning and then vomits at night after going to bed it may be that her system is so empty she's nauseous. Orijen is grain free so theoretically it should have a faster transit time in her system that a kibble with grain, like Nutro. You might try giving her a little bit of food or a snack before bed time and seeing if that helps.

Is there someplace that you would recommend Settrlvr?

Southdale: http://www.startlocal.com.au/retailrec/pet..._L_1288502.html OR in Byford I got: http://www.yellowpages.com.au/bi/southdale...wa-4977983.html Dunno if they're the same company and two branches or what

See that confuses me I've been looking online casually for a while now and none of the pet meat suppliers or butchers that have websites have price quotes, so how am I supposed to know what to order if I haven't seen the stock? and I don't know the prices? and Midvale is totally drivable, but from Hammy Hill Byford is actually closer.

Thanks everyone! I'll definitely check all of those places out If anyone else has any suggestions I'm all ears

Thats what I thought. Now I'm curious; I'm going to have to try and find the stats on reported cases in Oz...

Hi everyone, I'm looking for a costs-less-than-the-grocery-store meat supplier in Perth. I'm located SOR in Hamilton Hill but I am willing to travel for a really good deal. We have a chest freezer so can handle largish orders. What I'm not looking for is mince. We're already feeding our kitty and going to be feeding out new pup a prey model raw diet so I'm looking for whole chickens, whole rabbits, chicken carcases with lots and lots of meat, and other large cut products, as well as offal and heart from more than one species (Woolies, Coles and IGA only seem to have lamb) So any butchers with good deals or pet suppliers that have whole products. I don't mind an abattoir if anyone knows of one that will sell meat or off cuts to the public (tongue, offal, lower legs with skin still on, general off cuts etc). Thanks!!

Hey Puggy puggy I was under the impression that there hadn't been a case of Hepatitis in Australia in over 50 years, but don't remember where I read it. Had your vet ever seen a case? That'd be pretty scary.

I apologize if I wasn't clear; that is exactly the point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to lay blame at all in fact. Boarding kennels, obediance clubs, groomers, AND vets are all stuck in the middle because of the sueing society we live in. Everyone is just doing what they can to cover themselves. The vets that have educated themselves and do want to change are restricted as much as any other animal care profession that wants to see a different protocol; especially here in Australia where the laws require medical professional to follow the dosing practices on the labels. Which of course have been written by the drug companies. edited for spelling

I see the main problem with the whole thing as humans needing a guarantee and vets needing to cover themselves legally (which I can totally understand). Since not everyone, in fact not many people, understand immunology and how vaccines work, one cannot expect a regulating body such as the AVA or AVMA (in the states) to completely change their protocols right now if ever. You also see vet resistance - an correspondingly resistance by the regulating boards. One has to have a way to "prove" one's dogs are safe. Not only for your own personal comfort, but also for the general community. Herd immunity is a really wonderful thing after all, thats what does protect the dogs that never sero-convert. With the lack of knowledge I cannot really blame the obediance and training clubs, nor the boarding kennels for requiring "proof." Think of what would happen if a dog was one that never sero-converted and got distemper or parvo at a boarding kennel. That kennel would be screwed, and have to go back through their records to try and prove they did nothing wrong. No one really wants a good groomer, boarding kennel or club to be shut down because of an unforeseeable and unstoppable accident. That being said there is an avenue (albeit not an cheap one) for pet owners. Since antibody levels DO rise after exposure make sure to expose you dog before your titer test. So vaccinate your pup initially with a program you are confident in. When it's time for a titer test, to get a new vac certificate, expose your dog to distemper and parvo 10-14 days before. The easiest way to do this is to go play with puppies that have recently been vaccinated with a MLV vaccine and are shedding the virus from the vaccine. Another alternative that would probably work well is just to walk all of those places vets warn new puppy owners not to, make sure to go to the dog beach and dog park. Let the pup sniff the poop lying around, go to sport games where people bring their dog, or go hang out in the vet waiting room! If your dog is exposed his antibody levels will rise. You can go a titer test and get the results that are acceptable to boarding kennels, your vet, and obediance clubs etc. without re-vaccinating. Now the only challenge is finding a vet happy to give you a vacc cert based on a titer test.

Hey Jess Go read the link it'll really help your understanding. You can even send it to your vet, there should be references at the end of the presentation to peer reviews literature he could go look up (if he wants to). If the titer is "low" you can go walk your dog in some high risk areas or have him go play with puppies that have just been vaccinated. Then your dog will be exposed to the viruses and will mount an immune response creating antibodies, re-test, his titer levels will go up!! Good luck!

So it's the adjuvent that she's really opposed to? Did she talk at all about cell mediated immunity from MLV vaccines vs. killed? Last I read killed did not stimulate cell mediated immunity- in which case immunity would not last for the life of the dog. Did she sat anything about new literature being out? ::mutters to self about wishing I could go to hear her speak::

I have a question. Why does Dr. Dodds recommend killed vaccines??? As to annual vaccinations I've posted it before I think it's worth posting again http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/ If you go through the whole slide presentation it gives you a good introduction to immunology and how vaccines work; then it goes through both dog and cat vaccines by disease. I know it's an American vet and the recommendations are based on an American location, however the principles still apply. First vaccine at no less that 8 weeks. Parvo, Hep, and Distemper are core vaccines Never use corona or lepto anything else only in endemic areas: this means no lymes here Parainfluensa and Bord only for dogs at high risk and even then it may not be worth it because of how many strains there are. (At most, my words) boost at 14ish months, so as to vaccinate once after the 6 month mature immune system threshold then you're done. Titer tests: Test that the body has sero-converted - in other words has made antibodies This indicates memory cells have been made, so: ANY positive titer means your pet has memory cells and IS protected there is no such this as a positive titer that is to low!!! If the titer is 0 after a positive titer before it only means the dog has not been challenged in the recent past, it does not mean your pup has no immunity - titers do not evaluate memory cells, the important part.

I'm SOR and I'll have a dane pup in August that I'd love to socialize with other DOL dogs :-)

Hi Sas, Nothing is kicking around in the back of my head , but can you post a picture? if possible of the "raised" stage and the larger final stage? Are they growing in size after they settle down? are any of them forming sores of do they look just like normal spots after they've settled? I don't remember, how old is Dante exactly? perhaps it's hormonal and associated with maturity? and Lastly, which I'm sure you have, have you asked your breeder? maybe it's something common in those lines? Good luck! I sure hope it's nothing more than some extra spots coming in.

If I had a skinny GSD pup I'd be going to the vet and getting him tested for EPI (exocrine pancreatic insufficiency), which could possibly cause both problems. http://www.articlealley.com/article_192100_54.html

Thank you Nanna! eta: The largest they have is 15 cm I have a great dane pup on the way, larger would be better. I'll keep looking though

I'm in Perth

Hi Guys! All the sites I've found where you can order Bully sticks (aka Beef wizzers or G-wizzers) in bulk are American! I'm pretty sure the shipment would get stopped at the border Does anyone have an Aussie site that sells them at a reasonable price? Thank you!!!

This kind of sounds to me like he was describing a growth plate injury. Please call back and ask the vet to clarify. If it is a growth plate injury what happens (most times) is the pup breaks one of the places in the bone that it grows from. In general there are two growth plates in each bone, one at either end. If it's broken it can stop growing from that end. So, you could see bowing of the legs because one bone is growing like it should and the other isn't. If thats the case - surgery is you only option unfortunately. If her legs are bowing because of growth issues - ie she's growing to fast and needs to grow more slowly - looking at that great dane lady website is a great idea. It'll help you make better food choices :-) to slow her growth.

I don't know about the herbals, but I'd use food grade Diatomaceous earth for worming. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a supplier in Australia for food grade.... http://www.herbalremedies.com/diatomaceous...nformation.html ETA- So I found this http://greenpet.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=878 but I have no idea if it's food grade or not. Maybe I'll call on Monday...

I can't say that this is exactly what happened, but the passing out could have been from the vomiting. It happens in people too; when someone/somedog vomits and then breaths it into their lungs it can cause pneumonia and it can screw up the vagal nerve. The vagal nerve runs through the chest near the esophagus and trachea. The incorrect stimulation to the nerve can cause the heart to slow or even cardiac arrest and death. So, try not to worry to much, it could have been a fluke that it happened.

I was unaware of that. Thank you!

Humans are omnivores. To thrive our diet must contain both animal and plan materials. We cannot make our own B12, and no plant makes it. Humans must eat animal products of some kind to get b12 and thrive. Cows are herbivores, they thrive on grass and forage. People do feed protein supplements in feedlots - to finish them faster but it is not optimal for their health, the do not thrive. Cats are obligate carnivores as they cannot synthesize taurine, have no way to handle a large glucose influx into their system (their livers lack the ability to act as a glucose sink), and cannot down regulate the breakdown of body proteins given a low protein diet. They MUST eat meat on a regular basis or they will have major irreversible health problems and/or die. Dogs are not omnivores, they are carnivores. They have no nutritional requirement for plant products. Dogs are a little more hardy. As already pointed our they are wolves that look and act a bit different. They can survive when meat is not available longer than cats can. They can survive on a diet that contains plant material and animal materials. A dog will not thrive on a veggo diet no matter how careful you are (unless they have very serious metabolic abnormalities). Feeding an omnivorous diet our pet carnivores is like akin to feeding your horse a nice bowl of stew. Feeding a veggo diet to them is akin to feeing your horse (cow, sheep etc) a meat based diet. For more information on why dogs are NOT omnivores: http://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html http://www.thewholedog.org/artcarnivores.html I agree with Kirislin, if someone isn't happy feeding their pet carnivore meat they should rehome it and get a herbivore pet.

I like this review article. It goes through the pros and cons as well as some breed consideration. All the references are at the end so you can do further reading if you'd like. It helped me formulate a plan on when/if to desex my future great dane pup. http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHea...euterInDogs.pdf