Tapferhund

Certain humans have no place In society either, shall we exterminate them too! Hehe.......if only we could !!! :D I have to admit R&B , when it comes to my own dogs ,pitties do worry me. We have a fair few PBs ,staffies and crosses thereof around our area...,many of which are loose at the front of their properties.......so these days because of it I rarely take the pleasure to walk my dogs . Instead I drive them to local parks to exercise them. I also believe that once pitties are off the scene.....the next bull breed to take their place in trouble will be the American Bulldog. I am seeing more and more of this breed and none seem to have a very nice disposition.

"just seems people here, jump automatically to the dogs and the breeds defense, without acknowledging, their may be a problem" Perhaps we jump to the dogs and or breeds defense because we know this attack, like others, will effect each and every one of us and our dogs....in further legislation AGAINST dogs in general, various breeds and dog ownership. The consequences of this dreadful attack could be huge.....bigger than we realize in this ever growing anti dog society of ours. It worries me when I hear Govts are going to step in to see to the banning of dangerous BREEDS and not just one breed ....that being Pit Bull Terriers. With a fair few breeds on an already Govt list.....it could mean the end to all bull breeds including Staffies, Rotties, Dobes, GSD's, Cattle Dogs, Akita's just to name a few. I know what happened to those people was terrible and beyond belief and the owner of the dog needs jailing for life for what he has done to them and to his dog......but we all need to still take a stand for all dogs regardless of breed......becaus if we don't we will lose many breeds and the privilege of having them .

Same here ! I would rather die than abandon my canine family. I can't understand how anyone could leave their pets behind and those who have are going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives. The whole situation is very sad. ;)

How awful for you and no they could never be trusted if left together. Once bitches have fought they generally hate each other for life.

Well , there's a well known saying, " Whether you live or die starts and ends at reception." .......and that goes for our animals at Vets too ! ,

Its nothing unusual..its just not that common. Have a look at the areas where its happening....all severe storm/tornado areas. The birds were probably hit or stunned by lightening or something.

Most of my dogs don't worry too much while others do tend to worry a bit........but last night the worriers were scared sh%#@less ...literally.... and the ones who never take notice...were slightly worried last night.........and they had right to be ! We , UNFORTUNATELY, live in a major tourist destination and over the past week tens of thousands of people have been pouring into the area.......with the greater majority being young guys (some hoons) along with their twitty girlfriends. Usually its mostly families holidaying but this year it seems not. Anyway.......all the holiday houses around here are FULL ...and last night , a fire ban night, several places were letting of all sorts of fireworks including flares. The worst coming from two doors from us . Whatever they had sounded like they were letting bombs off and the rockets were the biggest and loudest sounding ones they could get. People IMO are so selfish, so self absorbed, they have no thought for others around them...nor do they ever think of the terror they cause to dogs, cats, stock or wildlife. Last nights fireworks around us were so bad.......I am still thinking of dobbing the whole lot into the police. I believe there is a $500,000 fine for illegal fireworks...........and idiots like those of last night deserve to be hit with that type of fine IMO.

Very cruel and heartless response Oakway. We KNOW our dogs are not human children but they are our 'family' none the less. Most on here view their dogs as their furKIDS and we ALL suffer the same grief in losing a beloved pet as we do a human relative. There is also NO TIME LIMIT on grief.

I feel for you in your sad situation . All I can say is over the years I have had a few friends that have been in your situation and any pets were far better of with the wife. Nothing against men, but in most cases its the women who are far more responsible towards looking after the animals needs.......just as they are with children after a family break up. Perhaps you could talk to your OH and tell him you will take the dogs and that he can come and see them any time he wants. If you part as friends and not enemies he should be happy with this arrangement. Good luck with it all...I hope things work out for both of you and the dogs.

Well I have a tendency to speak up on issues , especially on breed or club issues and as a result I get called a trouble maker for my pains which I don't mind........but the best gossip ...or should I say 'innuendo's to mischief make' that I have come across about myself came from one or two persons from this very forum. As soon as these persons didn't like hearing the truths being said...they come out with, "We've heard all about you!" or "We know all about you!" But the thing is they never say 'what' .......... ...which would be good .......so I can add it to this topic. and have a good laugh and give those who know me a good laugh.

Couldn't have said this better myself ! If I did have an OH who was fussy about dogs in the house.....I'd be packing his little bags and showing him the door !

I thoroughly enjoyed the show. It confirmed everything we dog people already know!!! Why researches waste their time doing research when they can ask us dog people... ..we could save them years of research time couldn't we !!!!!!!! :D

I've had buggered knees after going A over T over my dog while out jogging with her. She was running next to me one minute then in front of me the next and I went straight over the top of her and landed on my knees on the concrete Haven't been able to run since and that was YEARS ago.) More recently (five years ago) a dislocated middle finger which is still slightly bent thanks to the crappy Doctor at the time who didn't know what he was doing. It happened while I was standing talking to a friend. I had two of my Shepherds with me and they were sitting quietly next to me while my friend and I were talking.....then this idiot (guy) walked his dog straight up behind them and his dog jumped on my two who shot around to the guys dog. I got a fright and pulled on the two leads which flicked up and wrapped around my fingers just at the time my two PULLED towards this guys dog. Next second I had a finger facing left......ewww it was horrible........so in panic I straightened it but the damage was done to the ligaments....and it stayed bent in normal position though. Sh*t it was the most painful thing I have ever experienced ! :D Other than that, the odd scratch or puppy bite marks.

Up until 2 years ago I had 12 dogs , 6 large and 6 small.......but with old age catching up with some I am now down to 6 ...4 large and 2 small. FOOD- I mainly feed natural which I find is cheaper and much better for them. VET BILLS- some years very few bills , just vaccinations etc while other years I might have a few more bills....especially with the oldies getting older. BEDDING- my bed for a couple.......but all of them have sack beds but the beds are covered in canvas rather than the sacks.......which I got fed up with having to change them all the time. In winter they have blankets on the beds . WALKING- Two to the park or beach for a run.....two out for a walk in the morning...two in the afternoon.

That's very interesting because that's exactly what I would NOT be expecting. Not because I don't like him (although I don't), but because he is almost the antithesis of a behaviourist in that he does not follow behaviourist principles, which are deeply rooted in the scientific method and only deal with the observable (expressly putting aside things like submission, for e.g) "Behaviourist" says to me that you are from the behaviourist school of thought, e.g Skinner, Pavlov, Watson, Rescorla. You certainly do get that from a veterinary behaviourist, along with the veterinary medical perspective. I don't know where I would put CM, he is very slightly in the ethologist camp. ..and where would you put Scott and Fuller?

that's awful...but I see your point Poor dog, hope Patchy boy is going to be okay!

I hope to title two in Tracking and I also hope to title my young dog in obedience later on in the year.

You wish ! It would be a dull old DOL if everyone conformed to the one thinking. Its almost that way now ! So there has to be someone left with a different point of view. It keeps life interesting !

Siks3, I'm sorry about your fathers little Foxie and you are right about two male dogs..especially if they have not grown together...........but as soon as I saw Akita.....it didn't surprize me. Now before everyone pounces on me.......I have known dozens of Akita's in the past through friends having them as well as being at Akita shows when the breed was very popular.......and I have not met ONE I would trust. They are a big powerful breed with very few having good temperament with other dogs and sometimes with people. I think it is very sad you have to give the Foxie away....especially as he is an old dog and has had the trauma of loosing his owner (your father).......and now he is about to lose you too in being re housed with someone else. Sad situation all round. I disagree with your male dog perspective Tapferhund, the males growing up together from pups are more likely to fight in my experience than an older/younger combination. Akitas are not a whole lot different to working line GSD's, Rottys, Malinois, Dutch Shepherds and some Bull breeds that have genetic fighting drive, more than likely you are comparing more classical Akita's with watered down pet versions of the breeds I mentioned. Any breed with genetic fighting drive if pushed too hard with bullying or being shoved around unfairly will defend themselves and make a good job of it, lets not put Akita's in the traditional Pit Bull charade with more unsubstantiated comments of negativity based on breed. Well I disagree with your perspective 55C ! In my experience same litter males growing up together , same litter females growing up together are less likely to fight than bringing two older male or female dogs together and expect them to live happily together.......although I have this situation too.....with no problem. I have had up to five entire males run together...even when I have had bitches in season ...and all with no problem. It comes down to leadership by the owner imo. The only time I would separate was when no one was at home. Other than that they all lived happily together. The OP had an old small dog and a younger (I'm assuming) larger dog. So do you honestly believe an old dog would be annoying (bullying) the younger dog? Truth be known the poor old foxie didn't want to be bothered with the Akita continually annoying it . As for your comments that Akitas are not a whole lot different to the working breeds you have mentioned......along with these breeds having genetic 'fighting drive'....... .........what a load of codswallop !!!!!!!!!!! Akita's were bred to hunt bear as well as other large wild animals....whereas each and everyone of those working breeds were bred to herd! Quote from an Akita website. Perhaps if the OP had done some research on his chosen breed the poor foxie might have been spared from being mauled. The Akita Inu have a reputation for sometimes being aggressive towards smaller animals or other dogs, particularly those of the same sex. Read post No. 9 The OP states that the foxie started it. Read post No. 3 where OP says "Yea mate I heard the poor fella screaming I had to lift my akita off the ground and choke him to get him to let go." So how would the OP know the foxie started it when he didn't SEE it but only 'heard' it??? What the hell does it matter? The dogs had a huge fight that resulted in the foxie nearly dying and requiring some extensive vet work.. the owner has paid the vet bills, restored the foxie to good health and found it a new home where it will be much safer. What more could you ask for!? What would have you done in this situation? Okay ..no need to get your knickers in a knot. I have obviously MISSED the post where it says the foxie has a new home. ????? Sheez you people are not only pious but extremely touchy !

Well that's yours and some of the others opinion but the OP quite obviously 'had a problem' when that 'little dog' came along.........so why leave the two dogs unsupervised when there was clearly a problem? Its also very easy for people to 'rehome' as the easiest solution and I am not against that solution as most of you think I am........but just remember this foxie is an OLD dog and unless another family member of the Op is willing to take the dog .......there are not many people out there who ARE willing to take an old dog.

Siks3, I'm sorry about your fathers little Foxie and you are right about two male dogs..especially if they have not grown together...........but as soon as I saw Akita.....it didn't surprize me. Now before everyone pounces on me.......I have known dozens of Akita's in the past through friends having them as well as being at Akita shows when the breed was very popular.......and I have not met ONE I would trust. They are a big powerful breed with very few having good temperament with other dogs and sometimes with people. I think it is very sad you have to give the Foxie away....especially as he is an old dog and has had the trauma of loosing his owner (your father).......and now he is about to lose you too in being re housed with someone else. Sad situation all round. I disagree with your male dog perspective Tapferhund, the males growing up together from pups are more likely to fight in my experience than an older/younger combination. Akitas are not a whole lot different to working line GSD's, Rottys, Malinois, Dutch Shepherds and some Bull breeds that have genetic fighting drive, more than likely you are comparing more classical Akita's with watered down pet versions of the breeds I mentioned. Any breed with genetic fighting drive if pushed too hard with bullying or being shoved around unfairly will defend themselves and make a good job of it, lets not put Akita's in the traditional Pit Bull charade with more unsubstantiated comments of negativity based on breed. Well I disagree with your perspective 55C ! In my experience same litter males growing up together , same litter females growing up together are less likely to fight than bringing two older male or female dogs together and expect them to live happily together.......although I have this situation too.....with no problem. I have had up to five entire males run together...even when I have had bitches in season ...and all with no problem. It comes down to leadership by the owner imo. The only time I would separate was when no one was at home. Other than that they all lived happily together. The OP had an old small dog and a younger (I'm assuming) larger dog. So do you honestly believe an old dog would be annoying (bullying) the younger dog? Truth be known the poor old foxie didn't want to be bothered with the Akita continually annoying it . As for your comments that Akitas are not a whole lot different to the working breeds you have mentioned......along with these breeds having genetic 'fighting drive'....... .........what a load of codswallop !!!!!!!!!!! Akita's were bred to hunt bear as well as other large wild animals....whereas each and everyone of those working breeds were bred to herd! Quote from an Akita website. Perhaps if the OP had done some research on his chosen breed the poor foxie might have been spared from being mauled. The Akita Inu have a reputation for sometimes being aggressive towards smaller animals or other dogs, particularly those of the same sex. Read post No. 9 The OP states that the foxie started it. Read post No. 3 where OP says "Yea mate I heard the poor fella screaming I had to lift my akita off the ground and choke him to get him to let go." So how would the OP know the foxie started it when he didn't SEE it but only 'heard' it???

Siks3, I'm sorry about your fathers little Foxie and you are right about two male dogs..especially if they have not grown together...........but as soon as I saw Akita.....it didn't surprize me. Now before everyone pounces on me.......I have known dozens of Akita's in the past through friends having them as well as being at Akita shows when the breed was very popular.......and I have not met ONE I would trust. They are a big powerful breed with very few having good temperament with other dogs and sometimes with people. I think it is very sad you have to give the Foxie away....especially as he is an old dog and has had the trauma of loosing his owner (your father).......and now he is about to lose you too in being re housed with someone else. Sad situation all round. I disagree with your male dog perspective Tapferhund, the males growing up together from pups are more likely to fight in my experience than an older/younger combination. Akitas are not a whole lot different to working line GSD's, Rottys, Malinois, Dutch Shepherds and some Bull breeds that have genetic fighting drive, more than likely you are comparing more classical Akita's with watered down pet versions of the breeds I mentioned. Any breed with genetic fighting drive if pushed too hard with bullying or being shoved around unfairly will defend themselves and make a good job of it, lets not put Akita's in the traditional Pit Bull charade with more unsubstantiated comments of negativity based on breed. Well I disagree with your perspective 55C ! In my experience same litter males growing up together , same litter females growing up together are less likely to fight than bringing two older male or female dogs together and expect them to live happily together.......although I have this situation too.....with no problem. I have had up to five entire males run together...even when I have had bitches in season ...and all with no problem. It comes down to leadership by the owner imo. The only time I would separate was when no one was at home. Other than that they all lived happily together. The OP had an old small dog and a younger (I'm assuming) larger dog. So do you honestly believe an old dog would be annoying (bullying) the younger dog? Truth be known the poor old foxie didn't want to be bothered with the Akita continually annoying it . As for your comments that Akitas are not a whole lot different to the working breeds you have mentioned......along with these breeds having genetic 'fighting drive'....... .........what a load of codswallop !!!!!!!!!!! Akita's were bred to hunt bear as well as other large wild animals....whereas each and everyone of those working breeds were bred to herd! Quote from an Akita website. Perhaps if the OP had done some research on his chosen breed the poor foxie might have been spared from being mauled. The Akita Inu have a reputation for sometimes being aggressive towards smaller animals or other dogs, particularly those of the same sex.

Alas, the OP will probably feel worse given that Tapferhund has said that he/she has never met an Akita that he/she would trust and that the re-homed Foxie is likely to be sad and suffer A very sad situation all 'round and the worst nightmare for any of us who have more than one dog in a house. siks3: my thoughts are with you and your doggies. Please take care of yourself. Ohh paleeez Yes you both are right, I do CARE far more for the dogs than I do for the OP feelings or IMO lack of !!!

:D Excellent stuff BD !!! I'm so happy for you! I believe Steve is one of the best !!!!

Probably sadder for siks3 than the dog, they seem to handle the change without getting too sentimental about it. Dogs DO go through grief Aidan...something you are obviously unaware of. Some dogs do take being re homed in their stride...while others suffer ! This dog is also OLD which wouldn't help. :rolleyes: