Tapferhund

I expected this to happen....rotten owners betraying their canine family members . Absolutely tragic and disgusting.

Thank you to those open minded people who see and understand what I was trying to say. I was not trying to be offensive...just trying to point out the similarities.

Don't you believe it ! Too many of them love the power over other peoples lives and will now be worse bullies than they were before. They will take great pleasure in throwing their weight around and taking peoples beloved pets for destruction.

* From: AAP * September 02, 2011 7:27AM POLICE have warned that a dangerous dog named Emma is on the loose and marauding Sydney's northwest. The dog escaped from its home in Windemere Avenue, Bauklham Hills, this morning and mauled a pug in a neighbouring backyard. The all-white animal, thought to be a Staffordshire terrier cross, then fled. "Police have warned residents in Baulkham Hills to be aware that a dog recently involved in an attack on a neighbouring animal has escaped and is believed to (be) roaming around the area," police said. Police urged locals to be wary of Emma, to not approach her and to ring triple zero if she's sighted. The pug was taken to a vet for treatment. I love the marauding bit ...bloody ridiculous and typical media sensationalism.

No doubt. There is a place in this world IMO for dogs prepared to do harm to humans who simply trespass. IMO Australia is not one of those places and a dog with the temperament of the Fila needs to be carefully placed in the right homes anywhere. A correctly temperamented Fila will do more than just guard.. so when little Timmy comes uninvited over the fence looking for his tennis ball, he won't be leaving in one piece. I'd say he wont' be leaving anyway but in a coffin. Anyone who could casually say that they wish to own such a dog in an urban setting in this country needs their head read. Place that argument in a place like Johannesburg and its a whole new ball game. What ever "poodle fan". I live in one of the roughest neighborhoods in Australia, we had over 5 murders in this suburb last year and many, many other bashings, sexual assaults and attacks. Just cause you live in posh poodle ville doesn't give you a right to judge. I've only been here a year and I have already had my place broken into and my possession stolen, including my former dog (which was a labradore). You can really go stuff your opinions. Little Timmy isn't going to be coming over my 3 metre high fence, I don't have any kids as neighbors and all the neighbors are long term. Its none of your bloody business why I want a specific dog or not, and I have every right to have a guard dog that is capable of taking down an intruder for my protection (well I should have that right, if Australia wasn't such a gutless cotton wool nanny state). I have a right to protect myself whatever you may think. You may like dogs that are "like little poodles" but I like real dogs with assertive temperaments that are capable of protecting me. BTW You would make a great leader for this nanny state, seeing as you like to judge other peoples business. I am a responsible owner, entirely capable of managing my dog and restricting my dog to my property. You are a clown who likes to think people are too irresponsible to handle things and everything should be banned. Oh and "poodlefan", there are many non-banned breeds which are quite capable of mauling to death little Timmy, I have met great danes and other dogs that would maul little Timmy if he jumped the back fence, its not the breed, its how the dog is trained and socialized, its hypocritical and deluded reasoning that thinks some breeds are "bad". There is no such thing as an evil or bad breed of dog. Screw the government banning everything (especially dogs), because of the extremely small minority of dog attacks by irresponsible dog owners (you know instead of actually holding those owners heavily responsible). Ban cars, ban back yard pools, ban swimming, ban sports, lets all wrap the whole of society in cotton wool and take away all of our liberties, otherwise poodlefan might have nightmares about the bad things that could happen. OH WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN! What a discusting post. You are obviously a very angry, nasty person. Glad I dont live near you! I think you are full of it as well. Agreed, NicB. You sound like the type of person these breeds really don't need. On a forum people can say they have 3 meter fences and are the the pinnicle of responsible dog ownership but sometimes the main assertions belie the subtext. CyberG, Living in such a dangerous area I don't blame you for what you want in a dog. Truth be known and if people were honest like you...they too would hope their dog/s would protect them and their property if the case ever arose. I know I would !!! You have every right to your opinion as everyone else does. Its just a pity some on here have forgotten this and expect everyone to parrot them in their sanctimonious pious beliefs. So take no notice of them.

Your signature is so TRUE ! I love it !

You're kidding ! Its hard to believe there are still people that are stupid and ignorant in this day and age. Greys are one of the most gentlest breeds of dogs and are a breed I recommend to people who have never had a dog and are looking for a gentle easy going big breed of dog. Like most Greys, mine loves the couch..its her favourite place and her favourite position on it is laying on her back with all four legs pointed towards the ceiling. How anyone can say anything against this breed is beyond me.

Was it really an áttack', the lady was 77 and able to fend of two GSD with 1 bite and scratches. It might just be more media hysteria. I think you are right Chevorne. Yes I thought that too and more so as there has been no further mention of it. Also, TWO German Shepherds attacking ankles????? and only leaving some scratches and one bite???...I don't think so !

Was it really an áttack', the lady was 77 and able to fend of two GSD with 1 bite and scratches. It might just be more media hysteria. You're not serious? What would you call an attack? Granny in hospital? Dead? I'd suggest that she was very lucky to get inside - maybe she saw them coming over the fence. A women was bitten by stray dogs that got over her fence to get to her - and here are dog owners saying it's just "more media hysteria". This kind of crap gives dog owners a bad name. This kind of attitude makes my blood boil (I can't tell you the number of times people have said to me - and I'm talking people who belong to breed clubs, show their dogs etc - "My dog could sort yours out", "if my dog attacked yours you'd know it because your dog would be dead" etc etc). Y-e-a-hhh ....right Megan. :rolleyes: ... I don't believe that for one minute. Not saying that it wasn't said to you by some moron, like the moron with a pitbull that said words similar to that to a friend of mine while she was walking her Shepherd....but I doubt very much it was said a 'number of times' to you BY various show people from breed clubs. And I am speaking as a breed clubs/show/obedience person 35 years in the dog world.

Well from one 'bleating' dog owner to another "bleating" dog owner ;) .....no point in "bleating" on and on about it here is there MelsieWelzie. I'm off to write my thoughts on the matter to the Premier himself. Not that he would take any notice of any dog owner,but its worth a try.

Are you serious? why? because they don't suit everyone or because you think the wrong type of owners will be attracted to them, just like staffies, rottis, dobe's,mastiffs, amstaffs (just look at how many puppies are available!)Akitas etc.. Adding dogs to the restricted list is plain ignorance and as someone has mentioned not in line with other comments you have made? Yes I am serious! Look...I don't like the idea of lists of dog breeds to be banned anymore than anyone else here does and that includes the PB....but the fact is a great many (irresponsible) PB owners have brought what has happened on themselves and we ALL, regardless of what breed we own, are going to suffer for it. Like it or not MANY PB owners ARE the 'wrong type of owners' as you put it (yobbo's)....are attracted to this type of dog....and in that category of 'that type of dog' is the American Bulldog. I am seeing more and more AB's and NONE, so far, have good temperaments or dispositions. A friend of mine's GSD was attacked by two while my friend was walking her dog on the beach. Fortunately the two dogs took off before too much damage was done. The breed is large, powerful and IMO is a disaster waiting to happen...just like that of the PB..and look at the disaster :rolleyes: that breed has now got us ALL in to.

I agree as it certainly looks that way !

......for all medium to large breeds of dogs to be banned.

One breed that needs to be added to the restricted breeds list is the American Bulldog......the next disaster waiting to happen.

Excuse me? It is nothing like what Hitler's regime did . Nothing. not wanting to equate people with dogs BUT the mindset behind both actions is similar... it is the wish to externimate/eliminate all individiuals of a particular ethnicity ( or breed) citing examples of a tiny minority as the justification. it is a simple and emotional appeal to the selfishness and insular approach of divide and rule which is becoming ever more popular.It is easierto cast the blame for all dog attacks on the rampaging savage killer pitbulls and admit that all dogs have teeth and big dogs are more likely to inflict a serious wound than little dogs. some muslims are terrorists but all are most deciddely not but in the media all are painted with the same brush H Thank goodness!!!!!! someone who 'gets it' !!!!! Thanks dogsbesotted. The victimization through 'dob in a dog owner' has already started. More than 150 phone calls have been made so far...neighbours dobbing in fellow neighbours .....another similarity to Nazi Germany where many non Jewish German citizens dobbed in fellow German citizens because they were Jewish. Even more similarities.... The authorities say they will now seize ANY dog that resembles a PB and the owner has to produce papers to show otherwise. What in the hell has gone wrong with this country

Am I ever nice? Hey, I didn't call you a fool. Seems to me there's another poster taking themselves pretty damn seriously. ;) I said the comparison was hysterical Tapferhund, not you, but it appears that the difference was lost on you. Nothing subtle about your insults though.. as usual. Comparison of the rounding up and shipping of entire families (and on at least one occasion to an entire train of children) for days in cattle trucks to die in gas chambers to the loss of a family pet is offensive. You are seriously not helping anyone with these posts, least of all those likely to be affected. Write about the comparison in any letter to a politician and all you guarantee is that it will be immediately directed to the closest recycling bin. No, it appears the difference was lost on YOU. Now WHERE did I say in my posts "of the rounding up and shipping of entire families(and on at least one occasion to an entire train of children) for days in cattle trucks to die in gas chambers to the loss of a family pet" ?????????? NO WHERE did I say that or imply that...so don't you put words in to my mouth! The comparison was to stress the similarities between the two....of stress, fear, terror caused to people by raids on homes of innocent people waiting for 'that knock on the door' by Nazi stormtroopers and the soon to be stress , fear, terror caused to people through raids on the homes of innocent people by council rangers(stormtroopers) searching out for destruction much loved family members.......their pets.

I don't recall the Nazis offering an anmesty. Hysterical comparisons to the holocaust won't help anyone. Register your dogs people. Now. If you're a responsible APBT owner then there's a safe haven for you. It's called the ACT folks and its not a bad place to live. FFS Poodlefan,are you EVER nice?? How dare you accuse me of being hysterical. I made the comparison because , like those innocent people in Nazi Germany waiting for that terrifying knock on the door...dog owners here are going to be stressed and to some point terrified in waiting for 'that knock on their door' which could result in the taking away of their loved one/s , the family dog/s. That's not just my opinion either btw.....so get over yourself. Just read a few other posts and it seems there are quite a few who not only take themselves VERY seriously but are pious and sanctimonious. Like I said....the comparison was made because these new laws are going to create stress and fear for many within the dog owning community.

Okami, I might be a bit behind as this may have already been written in someones post (I haven't read all seven/eight pages as yet) but longcoats are now accepted and can be shown and breed surveyed as of 2012 here in Australia. (The longcoat has been accepted in Europe since 2011) So isn't that GREAT news !!! I can't wait and am trying to teach my boy how to 'show' so as to get him ready for next year. :D

The end result (knee jerk over reaction) to this dreadful and unfortunate attack is thousands of dogs are going to be ceased and destroyed under new Govt legislation. How can we stop this madness?

I have just heard the news (3aw) that the Vic State Govt is going to rush through legislation to not only ban "listed breedS" but to also give all council rangers the authority to go into peoples property's and cease any unregistered dogs of breedS on that list and to destroy those dogs. (All pit bulls are to be destroyed.) I have never heard anything like it in what is going on in this State, let alone country and IMO this is not only disgusting, very UN Australian but is no different to what happened in Nazi Germany between 1930 and 1945 where Nazi's did the same in searching homes for people. doG help us all !

Excellent post and I agree with everything said...but bl**dy hell in regard to the last couple of sentences...I think its time you moved !

They will turn to American Bulldogs...another disaster waiting to happen.

Well, I read an article not that long ago where it said it only takes 10% of the population to sway the other 90% .

So whenever we see a pitbull (or any fighting dog for that matter) in the news that has maimed or killed someone, it's the owner's fault, not the dogs' fault? That's absolute rubbish, and you know it! Actually its not rubbish, it is not the dogs fault....whatever the circumstances were that triggered the dog to behave the way it did..the dog was only acting like a dog. It is 100% the fault of the owner for not, amongst other things, making sure the dog was contained safely on his/her property . JMO.

Certain humans have no place In society either, shall we exterminate them too! Hehe.......if only we could !!! :D I have to admit R&B , when it comes to my own dogs ,pitties do worry me. We have a fair few PBs ,staffies and crosses thereof around our area...,many of which are loose at the front of their properties.......so these days because of it I rarely take the pleasure to walk my dogs . Instead I drive them to local parks to exercise them. I also believe that once pitties are off the scene.....the next bull breed to take their place in trouble will be the American Bulldog. I am seeing more and more of this breed and none seem to have a very nice disposition. To me this is an issue that keeps getting brushed over. Among many other things I think raising fines for dogs not being secured on a persons property/ wandering and having better enforcment of this would help reduce dog attacks on people, pets and the risk they pose to motorists. Totally agree Corrie!