Kissindra

Long time no post :D I'm quite out of the rescue loop these days but thought I'd drop in here to see if anyone can help.

My Mother is having some trouble trying to find the right little companion for her, she's retired but active and is looking for a cute little adult female, who would be up for a daily amble, walks along the beach, lap warming and general spoiling. She's always owned female dogs and so that is a preference, small dogs only and alert barking is fine but preferably not a dog that will bark at everything that goes by as her house is situated next to a walkway that gets a fair bit of foot traffic.

She will be an only dog but needs to be good with other dogs as my Mum occasionally looks after a neighbours dogs. Preferably not a super young dog, definitely no puppies :D I'd say 3-8 years old is a good range.

we're in QLD (she lives at Redcliffe) her yard is fully fenced and she has a wonderful home to offer <3 

We're checking petrescue and adopt-a-dog but thought I'd post here in case there are some breed rescues or dogs not advertised on either of those websites that might be looking for a forever home


 

No Strip?

not so much as a quick nipple flash ;)

Hope I win :) can't wait to see the youtube channel up and running too!

I like them all but would love to have a really nice tri girl to show next.

I can't see a time when I'll ever be without a Cavalier - they are just such wonderful dogs.

Boo is such a little stunner. She is gorgeous!!!!!!

Thankyou, but Boo is a boy ;) I think all owners of male cavaliers are used to people thinking they are too cute to be boys though :D

I like them all but would love to have a really nice tri girl to show next.

I can't see a time when I'll ever be without a Cavalier - they are just such wonderful dogs.

love the photo! Congrats

Mum needs to tell Dad to take the dog back - you cannot expect someone to take on a pet if they do not want to and you cannot expect a 6year old to be able to control a large dog. She need not feel guilty if her son is upset, she need only tell him she understands he loves his puppy but that puppy has needs which can't be met at their house and so because we love puppy we will find him a home which is able to meet his needs.

If she thinks they might be a suitable home for some other breed of dog or some other pet then that is up for negotiation but no way in hell should they keep a dog if the primary person in charge does not want it.

OMG YAY! That is so exciting!

Jake and I have become hugely fond of the BB's since we started showing and got to spend time with them - BB puppies are the biggest clowns and the adults are too great dogs!

we live on a main road, to the left are two little terriers who yap like the devil whenever anyone walks past or if they see Atticus standing on the back deck. At the back are the neighbours dogsitting Dog Of Eternal Screech and they have a staffy who makes no noise, but do have chickens which I enjoy - I like their werk werks and bok bok noises, I wish their teenagers didn't have a fondness for loud rap music but I'll live, diagnonal at the back are the screaming children and they are over the road too, on the other side there are three dogs who also bark at anything that goes by and the neighbours who are renovating between domestic disputes. Oh and there is a set of lights almost directly in front of the house so we get to hear what everyone plays on their car stereo and all the impatient tooting of horns - if we are really lucky we get all night road works outside our bedroom window! - oh and the hospital is further down the road so all the ambulances come at all hours....safe to say a few barking dogs are the least of it

One day I'll live in peace and quiet, but it wont be any time soon so we just smile and live with it!

I dont hate the RSPCA, I just don't feel that they are infalible. There is something increadibly wrong with the state of things if questioning simple practises and issues of accountability, non-action and conflict of interest (ect.) are held up as some kind of outrageous action.

National policy seems to have no bearing on what state bodies can hold up as best practise and best policy and that is extremely concerning in an organisation which promotes itself as THE most knowledgable group on such matters and has such a huge stake in relevant legistlation and policing of that legistlation.

I absolutely feel the RSPCA can significantly address the issues which cause concern and can rectify many of them, I do not hold a doom and gloom view of the entire organisation or everyone in it - but I will state quite plainly that they are NOT infalible and it is quite worrysome that they do not wish to address these reasonable concerns.

too funny!

I'm afraid mine haven't done anything so interesting - but of late my neighbours have been dogsitting the Dog Of Eternal Screech - who is a cattle dog cross of some sort who makes a high pitched screech which sounds like a staffy scream cut short - it does it over and over and over in a rythmic *screech* *pause* *screech* *pause* pattern ALL DAY and it is increadibly bothersome!

Every now and again my pair wander out side and trade noise with it so I get to hear *screech* *WOOF* *yap* *screech* *WOOF* *yap* which does not improve things much!

OT - When you make it about the industry - particularly one that wont go away no matter what - and not about the specific cases of exploitation, you leave the door open for women to REALLY get exploited - countries which have outlawed the sex industry show that the end result for women in those industries is a much poorer outcome than in countries where it is legal and regulated.

love it - I think there are many schools that could benefit from a suitably trained poochy presence.

Ours has a no dog policy, we have a couple of students with severe phobias relating to dogs so they wont be changing it any time soon but it would be lovely if there was some animal presence.

I read of a school which helped raise a litter of rescue pups, another who helped with rescue kittens - worked beautifully and taught the kids some valuable lessons on being a responsible owner.

what a load of horse shit - you can't tell someone is perfectly healthy any better by seeing them naked than you can if they are in a bikini or any other article of clothing.

How exactly can we tell she is healthy? Because she is skinny? Because her hair or skin look good? Sorry but skinny people with nice hair/skin and who are veggos can still be unhealthy.

All THIS is is a stupid publicity stunt from a group notorious for being media whores.

ETA - I am not offended by using nudity or models in a promotional way. I think it is silly to project victimisation onto woman who are fully aware of what they are doing with their own bodies and are making their own choices.

my comments and links supplied re: 16D were *shock* deleted by the group.

All that was said was that the issue of dogs in need in blacktown had been drawn to their attention, that dogs from this pound needed help and so they would try to provide that help - the call was for oppinions on if it was doable and suggestions for transport stuff - that kicked of myself and others bringing up disease prevention re. transport, some others did question if if it would make more sense to stick to QLD and so the first round of deletions/banning sprung out of it - no idea what the issue was with posts relating to 16D that caused them to be deleted also.

I vaguely recall (from the links I skimmed and posted) that groups from other states can take dogs from NSW pounds but that agreement would be come to in a slightly different manner to that of NSW rescues/individuals applying for 16D exemption. I did point out that dogs could not be gotten out under someone elses 16D as it was not allowed.

The impression is given that someone directly involved in the pound(vollunteer or staff presumably?) wants them involved - not sure who approached who, who suggested what or what agreements were or were not reached - none of the details have been made available publicly.

but there is this:

*poster1* To ARQ - is this true? Are your dogs that you foster out all vaccinated against this disease??

Animal Rescue Qld - I personally have any dog I have pulled from Blacktown Parvo Vacc'd prior to travel. (my own vet was surprised when I told him this as he didn't think you could still get it as an individual vaccination) It usually takes me up to a week to get transport organised and they do this for me for free, so they are essentially vacc'd prior to travel. *name* I know of no group that vacc's their dogs prior to travel as a rule though.

Oh and yes, that is a direct question and answer responce, posted fully and in context

Steve that is a wonderful offer

True, we've focused of KC and Paro and there are other issues to consider.

I find myself increasingly angry this morning - angry that people who should know the importance of this stuff can't seem to grasp the implications even though they are not ignorant of the risks and have seen the consequences first hand before. I do not understand how ANYONE can imagine it is ok to put people in the possition that Poppydog and others have been put in. I can't imagine seeing someone who just wanted to help be so scared and distressed and actually letting people BLAME her rather than acknowledging that SIMPLE steps could/should have been put in place which would have prevented this happening.

I can't imagine brushing aside the fact that not only have the publics animals been put at greater risk, but foster families and foster dogs - dogs which the rescue has a DUTY OF CARE for have been exposed to entirely preventable and unecessary risk and rather than say "we can put things in place which mean this doesn't happen, we SHOULD have put things in place so it never happened" the risk is brushed aside, the blame diverted and no sign is evident that anyone responsible thinks there is any need to do anything.

You probably wont be surprised to learn the issue of foster carer support/education was raised very early on but has since been purposefuly deleted - presumably because it was posted by me.

I understand that three dogs in attendance at the outing have now become ill and tested positive to parvo. Relevant entities have been notified.

saw that post but it is not a username I recognise as having posted to the group previously, so best to call council or RSPCA to confirm all of that info(though i think someone mentioned the council putting signs up earlier in this dol thread?).

yep that was me that mentioned the council signs i know at least one person who reported the matter to the council (and was told about signs being erected) and the rspca. i also know the post about the other positive cases is true...

but going forward i do hope that serious lessons are learned from all of this. it is very scary to contemplate the repercussions if not.

opps sorry thread is getting mighty long ;)

I hope there is an attitude change, but have seen no sign of it yet and doubt it will happen unless someone in council gives a damn and makes it happen.

I understand that three dogs in attendance at the outing have now become ill and tested positive to parvo. Relevant entities have been notified.

saw that post but it is not a username I recognise as having posted to the group previously, so best to call council or RSPCA to confirm all of that info(though i think someone mentioned the council putting signs up earlier in this dol thread?).

Hi Dogdaze!

er- I didn't add emoticons??? this site translates the text that way.- try it yourself :D i have posted all of that thread also - you can see I've made a concerted effort to do so at your request

I have not professed to know anything about you, but hi! Welcome to the forum - hope you will discuss the relevant issues with us all

I have no hatred on this issue and have indeed made very clear in posts now deleted by the group that questions and attempts to discuss important points are not an attack, others who have had posts deleted have said likewise and indeed, people banned do not know why as they had not posted abusive, angry or foul mouthed posts - merely asked questions and discussed issues around disease prevention and parvo sans accusation, threats or demands.

I have never accused all pound dogs of being "parvo infected write offs"

I have never said pound workers enjoy killing dogs

most assuredly the rescue world has it's share of ego drivel insanity - it can be witnessed quite clearly in the way this group steadfastly refuses to examine practises which have and are causing negative impacts on foster carers and foster dogs. naturally others are concerned by this and will do our best to not let those egos cuase another first time foster carer to be left in the lurch or another group of fosters be exposed to high risk situations

Dogs take second place to status most assuredly - this is why concerning practices which show a marked disrequard for the safety of dogs in care worry people here and on facebook.

I am unable to post the entirity of a facebook page - I am quite glad i've posted what I have as there is at least some record of what the group would obviously rather be deleted. I have endevoured to keep relevant posts together and quite obviously have no qualms about including posts from those in support of the groups actions - would be silly of me not to given the justifications seem to highlight the problem quite nicely

I regularly comment to a variety of groups relating to rescue australia and world wide, sadly they do tend to ban you when you point out where they have made a false claim - must be that ego thing *tsk* such a shame - but some quite happily discuss their approach and strangely it seems those are the ones who rarely do things I find need questioning Also - asking questions is not spamming, not one person who had posts deleted in reference to these issues was "spamming".

I enjoy monty python - though I fail to see the resemblance?

i'm not fostering any dogs this week - amazingly enough that does not render what i have to say invalid some of those with posts deleted run their own rescues, some are vet nurses, some have significant rescue experience and some were foster carers who got screwed over, I'll leave you to guess which category i fall into but even if we play your game of "if you are not currently fostering you have nothing to say" there are many more than me who have echoes my thoughts and asked the same questions that meet that rather small validation of views

Why is the distinction of facebook vrs. over the phone held up as some sort of defining difference? - via facebook my comments are linked to my name(unlike yourself who uses an alias) and they are asked directly to those who would give me answers as they are the very same people who are always monitoring the facebook page. Goodness if poor Poppydog couldn't get them to return a phone call and she is/was a foster carer, and I have been told that as someone not fostering they will not answer my questions exactly what good would it do to pay the cost of a phone call? I rather made it plain i wasn't going to fill in all my personal details in order to send an email through their online form - (basic net safety not to give out your address to those you dont know) and offered to continue a discussion via private messages. I do think that is quite direct enough (oh and earlier I had been told that questions were fine - they were ethical and had no issue answering questions - that changed presumably when there were no good answers to give)

Again - it is not an attack to ask questions, nor to post publicly available information which furthers a discussion which - you may have noticed, was STARTED by a foster carer of the group ;)

You'll note I already posted your final word

I've had a request - I'll post all visible posts in this thread - had thought I got the only relevant ones - perhaps there are others I am unable to see but here is all in a row to satisfy the request

*name removed*

Hope the photoshoot went well, sorry *** didn't make it, ended up having the fatal extra b'day wine....:D plus had been battling father son dominance issues for most of the day and night with the boys. Ruffy decided he was going to bond with me from the get-go and refused to share me with Wolfie...finally have sorted things after much patience and determination..they gave up in the end and now are getting on well with eachother! Phew...they are sweet natured boys simply desperate to have a human or family of thier own after a lifetime of sharing and existing on scraps of love!!! Gooooood Boys! *patpathugs*

*Name removed 2* aaaah the demon "one too many glass"........

*name removed* ‎....Just one more..............next morning alarm went off...uh-oh..head says NO...Think I reached doggy overload after the boys silliness and settling in stage...I regret not going!

THE POST THAT WAS HERE HAS NOW BEEN DELETED ON THE PAGE - you can see what it was in the previous post by me.

*name removed*

For all those concerned, all dogs in my place ARE vaccinated. As a foster carer I made the choice to take in poundy's fully aware of the risks and have taken ALL necessary precautions. Whilst I appreciate the concerns of others, I am not ignorant of parvo risks. I care for both my animals and animals placed in my care as my own children. I weight up which dogs are needing care and make a decision based on my situation and the safety of all animals concerned.

*name removed* For those 'burning the candle at both ends'' quoting my posts elsewhere in other forums, please stop. My post has been taken out of context and utilised in a flaming session in what appears to be a number of disgruntled people whom have set... out to deliberatly antagonise people in here. As I said VERY CLEARLY, ALL vaccination work has been done on animals here. These dogs ARE in isolation/quarrantine. As part of the fostering agreement with *** you must be able to make yourself available to transport animals to thier vet appointments. If you wish to pick up a dog from the pound then take them directly to the vet, which you should do, you must make yourself available to do so. There is a list provided of ****vets provided. If you are unable to do so but wish to take a poundy in, or feel its 'hours away'' then YOU must clearly communicate this to *** and arrangements can be made, there is a network of caring people who only want whats best for the dogs. IF you can provide a SAFE environment for a foster dog an element of trust is given that this IS the case, then you are considered suitable. If you are simply getting involved, caught up in the heat of the moment, perhaps not disclosing information, and not being able to provide the care these innocents need, then do not foster. It is NOT like buying a pup from a petshop. A solution WILL be found for the particular needs of a dog, do not feel pressured into anything. If you can't open up your heart and home in a SAFE fashion, then don't. The reality is dogs may be put to sleep if not enough foster carers are found, but the risks *** have encountered are NO different to ANY other rescue organisiations. The difference here is *** is pro-active and no kill. This does not mean EVERY SINGLE DOG CAN BE SAVED, and not all are. Its heartbreaking. I personally sprung a dog from willawong, and it was delivered to another rescue org, at the agreement and arrangement of the person from thier org. The sheer volume of dogs that have been saved is resulting in statistical possibilities becoming a reality. The difference here is *** are being very open about the activities and outcome via facebook. The result is increased public awareness and resulting action, dogs are being saved and this is the point of this org. Please cease personal attacks and sit back think about WHY dogs are being put to sleep for no other reason than being a disposable çommodity both in the breeding and selling and ultimately and very sadly in the rescue world. If you are so passionate about the welfare of poundies, the voiceless souls in all of this, then roll up your sleeves and divert your passion towards the problem, not a group trying as best they can to help. You can quote this candlelady, but please quote in FULL the WHOLE thread, but not in the context you placed it.

ETA - another post by *name removed* faithfully reposted

I would also like to add...yes candlelady you may cut and paste this too if you wish, but please IN FULL. The day I decided to foster dogs I had a panic attack at 3am, messaged ***, said i would pick them up but I was SCARED, I didn't want to do it, I couldn't, i knew ALLLLL about parvo, temprement problems (36yrs of dog breeding experience) would I bring disease in, would the dogs be bigger than in the photo's, would they have behavioural issues, would they fear bite, would I be stuck with the dog for 6months or longer with no rehoming options or exit caluses, would they maul my dogs, would i have to pay for injuries sustained by a poundy, would I bring parvo in as I intended taking on a new baby in the future, the next dog would be a resue dog but a puppy as I had already gone down the rspca path and ended up with a dog that was completely different in a shelter than in a home setting. If I brought parvo in, I would not be able to do that. If I wanted to take on a intensive care litter abandoned too early, I would not be able to as I wanted...so many worries. *** said it was all fine, my choice she understood, arrangements were made to rehouse immediately. In the end when I picked up Jazz and Judge as my first ever poundie springs, it all made sense, they wer so scared, but such lovely dogs, why are people throwing these guys away I do not know, Judge went on to the perfect carer and I kept jazz on. So glad I did,I found my greybabies and unless the new boys end up showing parvo signs (vet said highly unlikely), I know what I can offer to ***, and if I end up with a parvo dog at any stage in the future, I will still foster, but unvaccinated pups etc will no longer be able to be brought into this house. It's a risk, but the happiness the new owners of the foster dogs outweigh my selfish desires....freaking don't let these guys be put down, if there is a way, then go for it! Stop badmouthing ***, they are not idiots, they have YEARS of experience, research your options (as I did) ask questions (as I did)....then put your hand up to foster...SIMPLE...it's all for the dogs..the victims in all of this! *** Foster carers, you know what you can and need to do, chin up, lets go get em! xox *

so - as you can see, your posts re a hangover didn't seem to have relevance and so I skipped them, they certainly do not appear to add any context to what i did post that i can see but as per your request - here they are, posted faithfully and completely as they appear to me on the page(bar name removal) - if moderators of the group have deleted other comments there is nothing I can do about that A personal attack is not questioning what is best practise. As I've mentioned, I am quoting public posts made on a public forum and I have gone to the added measure of removing any names which identify people.

I do not call deleting posts, banning anyone who asks a question and repeatedly not answering questions as being open and honest about what they are doing. Being passionate about rescue and animal welfare does not mean never asking questions - I will repost a musing of mine which might help you understand why people care enough to ask.

"No rescuer, rescue organisation, group or the individuals that make up those groups is confered a solid gold halo and a certificate of infaliability by virtue of the fact that they help rescue dogs - when we stop evaluating, stop looking for ways in which to improve, stop questioning widely held beliefs and examining whether there is a factual basis for them, stop examining how ethical our actions are ect. we stop being effective instruments for change.

I have had my oppinions altered over time, I will no doubt have them altered in the future by people who know more than I do - I consider this a good thing. I am constantly surprised at how many people would rather hold on to beliefs that are disproven in a variety of ways. I am constantly surprised at how many people are unable to digest the notion that acknowledging that there is always room for improvement is not the same as attempting to work against a common goal!"

Since we are communicating - do you think it fair a first time foster carer was not told the risks and was not given the chance to evaluate what SHE wanted to do and what risk SHE was prepaired to take? Do you really think it is fair that nobody gave her support or offered help after the event? Can you see that having an 8 week old unvaccinated puppy in a public park is a risk? Would you take your own 8 week old pups to socialise in a public park with dogs not long out of a high risk environment like the pound?

does those years of experience involve being sacked from logan pound as I suspect it does? What you seem to not get is that posts are being deleted all over the shop where people ARE asking reasonable questions and people are being told they wont get answers from those involved - how is anyone to evaluate if they want to sign up to foster if they are not told what the group offers foster carers or how they opperate? Do you not realise that the people who have been asking questions were on the page BECAUSE they care about animal welfare and wanted to offer time/experience/foster/adopt but have found themselves unable to do so because anyone who asks a simple question and wants reassurance of what practises are in place is banned and has their comments removed?

and I will also point out - the rescue posted that it was up to foster carers to decide if they would be quarantine foster carers or only take fully vaccinated dogs, this was said after Huey's condition was posted about - previous to this no mention was made of any differing types of foster carers and it was certainly not the experience of Poppydog that this was mentioned. It was intimated that quarantine foster carers would have to do all those basic risk management strategies that deleted comments had been suggesting but if this is true - how is it an 8 week old pup was taken in public?

and I see someone with the same name as the group in question was just reading this thread.....

yes - and so i will point out that all posts I have posted were from a public page so I have not breached any privacy by posting them.

ETA - more comments-

*poster1* If your dog gets sick from a *name of rescue* pup, they will not help you with the cost of your animal be aware *name of rescue* foster carers you will be putting your own dog in harms way we all want to save dogs but remember your pet comes first your the owner always protect your dog first,*name of rescue* are having a parvo outbreak if your own dog is not vaccinated it will catch parvo please be carefull.

*poster 2* For all those concerned, all dogs in my place ARE vaccinated. As a foster carer I made the choice to take in poundy's fully aware of the risks and have taken ALL necessary precautions. Whilst I appreciate the concerns of others, I am not ignorant of parvo risks. I care for both my animals and animals placed in my care as my own children. I weight up which dogs are needing care and make a decision based on my situation and the safety of all animals concerned.

*seperate post* fostering a rescue dog is a heartfelt gift, do I expect my girls school to pay if she needs headline treatment, do I expect them to provide lunches everyday NO neither do I expect a rescue to pay for any treatment that MY pet may need. No cos it's my responsibility to ensure I have my dogs covered before I foster. Wake up everyone seriously

replies to the last post saying that the rspca and other rescues would definately cover any medical costs incured because of a foster dog and that the individual would expect likewise have been deleted.

I find it profoundly sad that nobody can see the risk of unvaccianted dogs is not just FROM fosters but TO fosters

ETA - another comment-

*poster1* If your dog gets sick from a *name of rescue* pup, they will not help you with the cost of your animal be aware *name of rescue* foster carers you will be putting your own dog in harms way we all want to save dogs but remember your pet comes first your the owner always protect your dog first,*name of rescue* are having a parvo outbreak if your own dog is not vaccinated it will catch parvo please be carefull.

*poster 2* For all those concerned, all dogs in my place ARE vaccinated. As a foster carer I made the choice to take in poundy's fully aware of the risks and have taken ALL necessary precautions. Whilst I appreciate the concerns of others, I am not ignorant of parvo risks. I care for both my animals and animals placed in my care as my own children. I weight up which dogs are needing care and make a decision based on my situation and the safety of all animals concerned.

*seperate post* fostering a rescue dog is a heartfelt gift, do I expect my girls school to pay if she needs headline treatment, do I expect them to provide lunches everyday NO neither do I expect a rescue to pay for any treatment that MY pet may need. No cos it's my responsibility to ensure I have my dogs covered before I foster. Wake up everyone seriously

I find it profoundly sad that nobody can see the risk of unvaccianted dogs is not just FROM fosters but TO fosters.

the above posted thread has been deleted by the people who run the rescue and I've been banned now from that associated page for adding comments to the thread - none of my comments contained threats, foul language, abusive language or any demands and i even took the time to explain that there was no intention to attack in people asking questions, it is just people feel it is important to discuss and begged them to consider what was being said and reply to reasonable questions.

Instead they deleted the thread and banned those who replied in agreement or also asking why they had been banned from the other page.

from an associated facebook page:

*name removed 1*

If *** and this site are run by the same people could I please ask a question? Why was I blocked off *** site just because I have an opinion that has perhaps irritated an admin on that site? I wonder what has happened to freedom of speech...I was only giving advice, not being abusive or using foul language etc. Im very disappointed. As a vet nurse I thought my info would be useful as you have a recent case of parvo. No doubt this post will be deleted and I will be blocked again......this really isnt how you get supporters. An answer to peoples posts would be more constructive than just blocking and deleting.

*name removed 1* If you dont want to publically answer me please feel free to PM me. Thanks

*name removed2* Lisa I currently have a foster puppy, can you please give us the advice you have to offer?

*reply from the rescue group* - We do not feel the need to explain every step of our processes to you as you are not a foster carer nor supporter of ours. You have been less than positive or constructive with your approachs previously - hence you have not been given a response. Please be assured we have engaged VETS to provide accurate advice accordingly. Given other rescue organisations are not treating parvo - perhaps you could educate them?

*name removed 1* Im sorry, I have only recently 'liked' these sites as I have just moved back from overseas. Im not sure what you mean by : 'You have been less than positive or constructive with your approachs previously' all I said this morning on *** site was that I was surprised that a rescue group would have puppies that arent fully vaccinated in a public place. Other than that I have actually been interested in adopting from *** but I think I have changed my mind.

*name removed 1* If you would like me to educate other rescue groups on the dangers of parvo etc, I would only be too happy to do that, please let me know which ones they are.

ETA - *reply from rescue* it would be an ideal world if we could control the actions of every human with a dog. Unfortunantly that is not the case. As far as other rescue groups - post the question - do they treat parvo? See what you get