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Well, now yuo have mentioned it and not said what it means, what does ordnung mean?

I have been wondering the exact same thing and would also be interested in hearing peoples opinions.

Very well said Feralpup. I wish this thread had never been started. Firstly, because it is advertising to a totally innapropriate audience and secondly too many people, who have no agricultural background or working dog experience, will give their emotive slant on it. I just hope no one innapropriate sees this here, enters it, and ends up winning a beautiful working dog that they will have heaps of trouble with due to having no work for it.

What does IPO stand for?

Ok, thanks for that. I thought your dog looked like it had less coat than the show ones. Great looking dog. I feel your pain . Too many breeds have had a showing/working split. Such a shame. One of my dogs is as ugly as can be but boy can he work!!

No fair, I cant go I love Casterton and we have had several years of fun there. A few friends are selling dogs this year and i would so love to watch. Still a bit tempted to try and get there but I just dont think it is possible. Have fun you guys and you must report everything when you get back. I am VERY jealous.

NFI??? Never fully interested? Not found info? Not financially included? Not friends w instructor?

Thanks for the pics. I love seeing dogs do what they were bred for. Is your IS working bred or is there no difference in working/show?

sorry SM Definately would be interested in finding out more. Is it a real trial? It isnt listed.

Hey, that sounds fantastic. Nothing like a good challenge. My boy is all for using a bit of force :D ;) Where do find out about them? I have never heard of them. Is it a yard trial?

Sometimes when people get new dogs, especially rescue, they invite the dog into their homes and give them everything they want. It is easy to completely spoil a dog and baby it but you need to become a leader first. The dog was probably elevated to pack leader as soon as it stepped into the house. I would do all the suggestions that Nekhbet gave you so you can start to enforce the fact that the dog is at the bottom of the pack. You have to remember that a dog is a dog first. Only when it is sure of its place can you be less strict. ETA this is the thoery, but like others have said, you should get professional help to guide you and make sure you are doing the right thing. There may be things about the dog or you that we cant see over the net, so best to speak to a pro.

What are the port albert trials?

I have 4 dogs here. I dont believe they ever need a break from each other, they are pack animals after all. But saying that, they are still managed and taken out separately sometimes and always given time inside separately so they have no unhealthy attachments. If one wants space, it will walk up the back and have a sleep under a tree.

I always keep my dogs together. In my experience i have never had a problem bonding with them. Maybe it is because i do alot of one on one work with them and take them out and let them inside separately. They love each other but they love it more when they can be with a human and dont miss the other dogs for a second. Maybe it has more to do with how they are managed rather than just keeping them together.

Congratulations on your achievements!!!! Fantastic choice! Yard/Utility trials are the best IMO We have Lots of fun!

Me too. What does it mean? Does a dog get a title after its name just from showing some form of instinct to herd? Dont they have to do anything else?

This prize is not a "pet". It is a very worthwhile prize and any farmer wanting another dog would welcome it. They wouldnt enter it if they werent after another worker. For farmers, it is no big deal bringing in another pup. They dont have to rush out and buy new collars, beds, crates etc. Its very different to bringing a new pet into the family.

Luckily, they are only advertising in country newspapers, so only mainly farmers will see it. Just to add, working Kelpies can live a very fullfilled life in "a suburban backyard", it depends on the owners devotion and willingness to work it. Very hard to find such owners though, so hopefully it will go to a farm.

well, i was waiting for someone else to reply, but no one did So, i am not commenting on peoples different ideas on giving a dog as a prize. It looks like a really nice little working pup. There is no doubt that it is coming from very good lines. It will be one very lucky farmer who gets this little dog, as it will be very handy.

From what i have heard, Tia will have no probs with the test at all. She is looks great. Have fun and let us know how she goes ETA Crikey, those sheep in the video are well trained.

I am all for positive training, but i have never seen it successful with a few different behaviour problems, one being aggression. I have seen aggression that has been fixed to a high level of stability when the dog has firstly been taught to walk on lead properly and then a correction given at even the tiniest sign of alertness to another dog. I have seen this work wonders. I have also wondered why guide dogs and police dogs arent positively trained if it were possible.

I started scent work by first of getting a solid retrieve. I then played with a stick with the dog for a while and then threw it into a pile of sticks in the bush. She then had to find the one with our scent on it. She quickly learnt to find her stick and it was a great game. I then started with the articles and seeing as she already knew the stick game, she readily found the article with my scent. I never had to use tie downs. I also used articles that had my scent and her saliva to start with to make it easy, then cut it back to only my scent. Not sure if this is an ok method but it worked really well for us

First dog i would have started seriously training her at about 8 - 9 months. She had her CD at 18 months then CDX at 2 years. Then i started agility and she got AD at 3 years. Second dog i started training from a young pup. Her first novice pass was at 14 months then she had a litter, then second pass at just under 2 years.

With my Rotty, i did obedience, agility, tracking, flyball and protection work with no problems at all. She knew the difference and loved all of them. All these sports have a high dependence on the handler and the dog requires no instincts to participate in them. With my Kelpie, i am undecided as to whether starting obedience with him is counterproductive to stockwork. I am thinking that it may be. I bought him solely to do yard trials, so obedience would be on the side. For 2 years, all he has done is train in stockwork. He is brilliant and i dont want to mess with what we have got there. He has very strong instinct and works away from me and makes his own decisions when required. Obedience requires him to focus on me and work very close to me. Basically everything that i dont want him to do otherwise. I have just started to do obedience with him a couple of months ago. I am not sure whether or not to continue because i dont want to train him to have that high dependance on me because with sheep work, he works independantly and makes alot of decisions himself. Eg, when working sheep, he is constantly watching for movement and moving in response to that. With obedience i am training him to ignore movement and only watch me. It is working against his natural instinct. Sorry, i am babbling a bit but i am still trying to work it out in my own mind. So basically, i believe that you can easily do obedience, agility, showing etc etc etc with a dog with no probs but when you start dealing with sports requiring strong instincts, it could be a problem. Most people probably seriously do obedience etc and then dabble in a bit of herding. In that situation there is no probs as they are only dabbling and having a bit of fun.