Steve

Adult Rottie? Adult vitamin.

Have you wormed her?

Puppies need to be able to drink water all the time so you need a water bowl inside as well or let him out more often . How much he needs to drink depends a lot on what you are feeding him [ and how]

The phosphorous / calcium mix in the Bonnie will be already balanced but as Ive said its not just this that impacts on the outcome. No mince unless its chicken pet mince ,add a multi vitamin and some thrive D [enzymes] or similar. Never feed meat without the bone and make sure the raw meaty bones are soft so they are food bones and the dog eats equal portions of meat to bone. You can also add a packet of gelatin per day as well which is great for joints .

Yes I would say that you have a fair chance of correcting this in an older dog .Ive seen results in dogs [adults] almost overnight. Just for interest you will actually see cattle in a paddock who have this problem as well if they are being supp fed and same with pigs .Once the diet is balanced again they come back O.K.and this isnt age related. In dogs it is more common in young animals especially soon after [ say 4 to 6 weeks] after their second vaccinations and obviously the quicker you spot it and try to treat it the better but its my experience that you have a fair shot at helping an older dog as well. You also have to remember that what you see is a symptom of the problem and there are other things going on inside the dog that you cant see which over time will show up as other things .These arent usually correlated by the owner or the vet but I believe they most definitely are. For a long time we've been saying its a calcium to posphorous in balance but thats too simple really as it can also be too much of something or too little of something else which helps these two things to absorb and assimilate. Ben said Hi Julie, my dog is on home prepared meal (mainly chicken carcass, fish, beef, pork, vegies and rice). I am limiting his weight gain to about 1.5lb per week to prevent possible hip problem, so he is a very skinny dog. Any advise on the diet for fast growing puppy (oh, he's a golden retriever). The only supplement is fish oil (1000mg/day) and Vit C (25 - 50mg/day). Im really against giving only one or two suppliments and very much against adding vitamin C. Dogs manufacture their own vitamin C and its utilised diferently by them than it is for humans. In order for them to be able to make their own they need a variety of other nutrients .There's a lot of stuff around telling us that esther C makes a diference in joint problems etc [ and it does] but this is because the dog isnt making enough of its own vitamin C .Two things will prevent this from happening . One is there's not enough of what the dog needs to make its own and the other is that because the dog has been supplimented with vit C its system no longer knows how to do it . So given that in high growth periods and times when the immune system is under stress the dog may need more than it can make to feed the joints etc the answer is simple .Instead of going for the vitamin C suppliment just squeeze an orange over his food .This gives you everything you need in just the right amounts for it all to be utilised the right way . Then of course you need to be feeding a diet which has a variety of foods and nutrients to enable the dog to use them to make its own vitamin C . You dont need the rice and the more variety you offer the better. Here's some links http://www.bluegrace.com/barf.html http://www.rawmeatybones.com/ http://www.barfworld.com/html/learn_more/barf_pups.shtml http://www.barfworld.com/main.shtml http://www.barfers.com/bigpicture.html

Brisket bones are O.K. But chicken wings are best .Dont give him any extra calcium as too much calcium can cause a problem as well.

Its possible that its something he was born with but from what I can see in the photos I dont think so. You're feeding advance puppy which is listed as a complete food with a balance of minerals and adding the other food may be setting up a situation where you are putting in something [ such as phosphorous] and not enough calcium, magnesium and zinc.Some vitamins are needed as well to help this whole process and these can be depleted by processing and storage of the foods. Phosphorous which is found in meat needs these other minerals and some vitamins to assimilate properly and if you feed too much of one and consistently not enough of the other the body will actually leach these nutrients out of the bones and other parts of the body .What is showing in this photo is possibly able to be helped [ no guarantee] by just watching you dont feed meat without the bone .That is soft bones like chicken wings , lamb flaps etc .Also sounds silly but make sure he gets at least 15 mins of unfiltered sunlight each day. You'd be surprised how many inside dogs dont get this . So you can try adding a childrens multi vitamin and mineral tab ,cutting out the other food with the advance and give him one or two raw chicken wings each day . I suggest you try giving him 2 chicken wings for one meal and the advance for the other .Id prefer it if you didnt feed commercial at all but thats another story.Dont leave food out for him either .Whats not eaten in say 15 mins take it away. Julie

Looks to me like you can have a fair shot at correcting this via diet. Do you mind me asking what you are feeding? Do you have a photo of him standing rather than sitting ? Julie

This is a link to a thread which was here a couple of years ago which may help Julie http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...1entry891

Aeroguad tropical on before he goes out to do a wee will work against mozzies but so will the addition of apple cider vinegar and brewers yeast to the diet . If you are feeding a commercial diet go after some multi B vitamins .

MMMM Not necessarily a "bad front" Does he look like he is standing on his toes or kind of back on his "wrists"?\ Is it just his feet or is it also a bit like he's got bowed legs as well ? Julie

Whippy Perhaps if you can be more specific about exactly whats happening I can help Julie

beagleover I have to tell you as a beagle breeder I will do much to talk people out of taking two pups at a time . Especially out of one litter. If you send me an email [email protected] I can send you an article on raising multi dogs. Its really important to understand that beagles have some special needs when they are reared together and the least you interfer the better. Im much happier to send home one and then 6 months later the second rather than do it the way you have chosen but there are some things you can do to make life easier. Julie

I dont have the energy to argue with you on why Cordy should know about puppies who dont have enough maternal anti bodies to fight off parvo . Fact is some puppies are at a higher risk than others of contracting parvo and its not a good idea to come onto a public place and argue as if all puppies should be held off in the vacccinations in case some die because of it. Sure in many , maybe even most cases its good to wait a couple of weeks longer but there are also circumstances where that would be disastous. Im not disagreeing with you entirely Im just saying your comments need to be qualified as the breeder needs to be knowledgeable to make the call.

Steve, Of course there are variables as to the age that puppies still carry maternal antibodies, there are variables also between litters and I think this boils down to the dam, her vaccination protocol, vaccine used, etc. (not sure if that is what you mean?) some puppies do carry maternal antibodies for longer periods of time but there is a vaccine that is able to override a small amount of maternal antibodies and that is why I insist on a live vaccine, I am partial to Protech Duramune....although I still think that 6 weeks is far too young to start vaccinating. From what I have been told, the higher percentage of puppies are antibodies free if you like, by the age of 9 weeks so this would be the optimum age to start vaccinating; this doesn't apply to rotties and dobes and I don't know the answer to that and the vets don't have an answer to this either. Yep thats what I mean and yes some puppies carry maternal antibodies strong enough to protect them if their Mum's have anti bodies which can be passed into the pup and Id hope the majority of people who were breeding responsibly would know the Dam's vaccination history . In these pups which do have maternal anti bodies 8 weeks is a better time to give a first vaccination but people like Cordy will tell you that not all pups are born with maternal antibodies and thousands each year die after contracting Parvo younger than 8 weeks. If there is any research or evidence to prove that one vaccination of any type or brand is more capable of overriding maternal anti bodies than any other Ive not seen it and Id be interested in seeing this if you have references for it . I have seen research to suggest that a killed vaccine such as parvo vac has less side effects than the live and that it is just as effective in providing immunity . Theoretcially its better for a vet to tell you killed vaccines arent as good as only a vet is able to give a live vaccine and they may loose financially if they tell us that the killed are just as good as we are able to buy these vaccinations off the net for $10 each. It all comes down to a breeder understanding the issues associated with Canine Immunology and having knowledge to make the decision but many many breeders have no idea and based on the possible consequences part of any discussion on vaccinating pups has to be an understanding that the risks need to be looked at as well as what has worked for us and why we have made the decision we have.

Nup I dont agree with you here Zorro and not all litters and breeds can be treated the same way Too many variables . I dont have time right now to give this subject justice but will try to get back in the next few hours.

I dont think this is all as clear cut as you make out. Firstly If you have a bitch thats been vaccinated regularly you can be reasonably sure that she is immune and that she will pass on anti bodies to her pups and if this were the case ALL the time then young pups wouldn't get Parvo . But pups under 8 weeeks get parvo more than any others. What of the bitch thats not immune and how do you tell the difference .? I am the first to jump up and down about over vaccinating and vaccicosis etc but you have to remember that there are variables with pups and deciding whether you should or shouldnt vaccinate at 6 weeks is something that has to be done with knowledge of the bitch ,how canine immunology works ,the area and the risks for your litter.

Vets go by what ever they are told via reps from the drug companies and the best way to take a good look at it is to see what drug is involved and look up the name of the drug . Much has to do with the life cycle of the worm so for anyone wanting to do some reading here are some links. http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/ar...orm-article.htm http://student.vwc.edu/~sldodgers/dogworm.htm http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/herx.html http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/heartworm.htm http://www.medi-vet.com/info/hgd.htm http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/iverm...ths-Scabies.htm http://cipm.ncsu.edu/ent/Southern_Region/R...TO/mosqmain.htm http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/distance/cardio/aiello.htm http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_heart...l#When-to-Start

Its not the daily meds that are causing the problems. Its the monthly and yearly ones which are inseciticides and bubble away in your dogs bloodstream for weeks or months at a time .I believe your vet is wrong and based on the fact that the vet sells the monthly and yearly ones credibility is low. However you could ask her to point you to the research so you can share it with us.

Point is there are alternatives and the reason that its illegal to advise people these things is because all dogs are not the same and all ivermectin isnt either . You may have seen dogs die from heartworm and intestinal worms but Ive seen them die from ivermectin as well. I have also seen dogs affected by this in their breeding capacities. Holly said Have no problems even doing daily and have been doing so for nearly 3 years. Doing what daily?

Ivermectin is used as an active ingredient in 2 [that I know of] heartworm meds . And in a higher dose it does do earmite . Off lable means its illegal for someone to use it or advise someone to use it if they are not a vet or it has not been prescribed by a vet. Personally I think the dosages that Holly has posted to be too high for heatworm. Possible side effects especially in some breeds can be pretty horrible and there is some research to suggest these types of meds cause sperm counts to drop and fertility to go back after a dose. Showdog super site articles advise against using this type of med in breeding dogs. Basically they are insecticides and putting that into your dogs bloodstream where it bubbles away for up to 6 weeks is not to be taken too lightly. If anyone considered doing this to their child they would know that sooner or later it would impact on their immune system and show problems [ not necessarily associated with this drug because of the time frame between intoducing it and symptoms] in year to come. ] Also remember sheep ivermectin comes in 2 types of med injectable and oral and with the oral one is a double strength so be careful and check with your vet .

What ? Someone is not telling the whole truth here me thinks. No vet that saw a discharge as you describe would write it off as a cold and Ear infections etc dont go from one thing to needing to be put to sleep in such a short time without many other symptoms. Very strange . Pups that come from pet shops have to be vaccinated prior to sale. Zinc deficiencies can affect the dog's immune system but there was more than that going on here.

Im so sorry to hear this . I kind of thought this may be the problem when you asked for help in the general . Im sure she went to God knowing that someone cared about her and its better this way than having to suffer for a long period. Sending you lots of good thoughts.

ve got working and pet Maremma, Pembroke Corgis, Beagles and Ragdoll cats . On average they cost me a dollar each per day to feed which includes any puppies or kittens that are here. I feed no commercial food at all .Only Barf .

LP Is not necessarily genetic at all . Some breeds do have a genetic tendency to this but the problem is polygenic and its impacted on by diet and exercise. The diet thats been fed is not real posh Cooked mince gives too much phosphorous, too little calcium [ by ratio] The diet thats been described has no vitamins as these are destroyed by heat and storage and no enzymes . The problem is caused because the ligament is stretched and the body doesnt have the necessary nutrients to contract back correctly . You need minerals in the correct ratio especially magnesium,and zinc with vitamins to help them assimilate . Also the problem is most definitely impacted by exercise and this may easily have been caused by jumping up and down off the furniture. No amount of testing on the part of the breeder can ever insure that some dogs wont get the problem . And eliminating all dogs with mild problems wont do any good and will drastically reduce the gene pool. Also before any decision [re a diagnosis] needs much more than has happened here. There's lots you can do to try to reverse this if you go into action straight away .