Steve

Cant you trust the person you are selling her to?

You just cant believe that this is really what happened can you? It is just too stupid to even get your head around what you could say about it effectively. If it is true then honestly its time they stood back and took a bloody good look at who they have become and wake up to themselves - but for me its an element of I cant believe it ever happened as reported. Surely not.

Oh Good DogsLife - you'll be there ?

O.K. Here's one for a bit of fun - I will donate this ticket and the winner can have it for nothing. Ive sent an email to Troy to tell him when the cut off time is so I cant cheat. From now on the last person to post in this thread before that cut off time will get a free dinner ticket - value $100. The cut off could be a an hour a day a week etc.

Looks like Charles wentworth wins Ill PM you Thank You !

As you all know we have the MDBA Dog Owners Choice Awards presentation evening on at the Novotel Brghton Beach Sydney on the 20th of March. Sign in time is 6.30 pm. The MDBA has donated a ticket for auction with proceeds going to MDBA Pacers [Preventing Animal Cruelty Charity] for the opportunity of attending and being seated at Troys table. Ticket includes a 3 course meal and live entertainment and of course great company with a large percentage of those attending being Dogz members. The red carpet and the tiaras are all dusted off and ready to go. So who will start the bidding?

Better print this out - that should sort them out . Tell them they are lucky they havent been reported for not being repsonsible and keeping their cat inside and safe. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/5035...s_escape_house/ TWO medical professionals have been fined for failing to stop their seriously injured cats from getting outside following a two-year RSPCA investigation that cost the charity £13,000. Paramedic Simon Butterworth, 32, and wife Lesley, a 29-year-old nurse, admitted failing to provide necessary care and supervision by failing to prevent injured black and white cats Stella and Guinness from leaving their home. The couple, described as responsible pet owners of good character, appeared at Teesside Magistrates’ Court yesterday. The couple, of Appleby Close, Darlington, along with the RSPCA, made an appeal for information in The Northern Echo in June 2008, after both cats returned home with mysterious injuries, receiving skin damage, broken ribs and internal injuries in two incidents. As a result of the injuries, Stella died and Guinness had her tail docked. It is unclear how the cats were hurt, but the couple have always denied injuring them. Yesterday, Kieran Rainey, in mitigation, told the court that the couple, who recently had their first baby, were experienced and responsible pet owners. He said: “They had two cats and both were injured by someone or something else.” He said the couple had struggled to keep their pets inside because of the nature of cats. The court was told that both Stella and Guinness escaped from the house despite the couple trying to keep them inside on vets’ advice. Mr Rainey added: “This is the first and only time they have fallen below the high standard of care they set for themselves.” He said an incident where the couple’s cocker spaniel, Scrumpy, then a six-monthold puppy, tried to play with Guinness, causing her to hide under the sofa, was an oversight on the couple’s part. He added: “Both are of impeccable character. Both have been in steady jobs all their lives”, and said it would be inappropriate to ban the couple from keeping animals. The RSPCA case had cost £13,000, excluding vets’ fees. District judge Kristina Harrison fined Simon Butterworth £560, and ordered him to pay £500 costs. She fined Lesley Butterworth, who is on maternity leave, £100, ordering her to pay £100 towards costs. Judge Harrison said: “I do not think it is appropriate to impose on you a disqualification of having control of animals. I take into account the professions you are in and your previous good character.”

Good Grief - thats the best fence in Australia! How on earth could you have done any better to protect your dog and any one else's? Perhaps you should enclose your entire yard with over head bird wire just in case the neighbour's bird escapes from its cage and flies into your yard :p Maybe a couple of strings of barbed wire in case the neighbour down the back has a cat that wants to climb over You've already had great legal advice - Danois is one of the best in the business.If you're made of money and you can afford to give money away just because you're a nice person I can give you the links for MDBA Pacers. If you give them anything - and I cant imagine why you would - maybe a nice card and a hundred bucks worth of gift voucher from bunnings so they can put that toward what ever they need to secure the fence on their side to suit their dog's future security.

http://www.borderwatch.com.au/archives/6591Police warn about RSPCA pretender Posted on March 3, 2010, 3:03pm Mount Gambier police have warned residents against giving money to a woman who claims to be raising money for the RSPCA. Sgt Andy Stott said the woman, of elderly appearance, has been collecting money in Mount Gambier over the past two weeks, purporting to be doing so on behalf of the RSPCA. “The RSPCA has stated that they do not have any collectors operating in Mount Gambier and that they do not fund raise in that fashion at any time,” he said. “The public is warned against giving money to this woman under any circumstance and are asked to notify police immediately on encountering her. “The woman has eluded police on a number of occasions in the last week, so it would be appreciated if the public could keep her under observation while the police are responding to their call.”

Its just another PR stunt. Firstly any of us right now have the ability to duck into a free website and take a look at the breeding COI to see how much genetic diversity there will be in a particular mating.Or of course we can download a fee breed mate pedigree system with an inbuilt Breeding COI calculator. Then with EBV they intend to take things which are known to be a problem in a particular breed and have those listed as clear and not related entered as good mates.Sounds good doesnt it - except if for example - they decide on EBV for hips what about the rest of the dog? While everyone is going after good EBV hips something else will be showing as a potentially bigger problem. You get what you select for and what you dont take notice of you loose. The biggest issue is that it would only work if every tiny little thing conceiveable that needs to be taken into account by a breeder is entered into the data base on every dog. Its all well and good to use EBV on sheep or cattle because they dont need to consider temperament,and how its going to cope [and the owner] sleeping on someone's bed.They usually only use it to sleect for a handful of desireable traits such as high milk yield , multiple births etc. Dogs have over 100,000 genes and only a flesh and blood breeder can make the decisions they need to based on the whole dog not just a bit of it or how unrelated it is. Sometimes, depending on what you are working on being clear for one thing or another is more important than how closely related they are or are not.Ill betchya that give it a couple of generations after the computer program has decided on the best mate for a majority of a breed the gene pool will be smaller not bigger because fewer dogs wil be used for breeding and fewer dogs with better EBV will be used - give it a couple of generations and they will all be related more so than they are now. Bring in a new boy from another country with a great EBV for hips and he's not related to any Aussie bitches. He'll get top score EBV and be selected to mate all of our bitches - less related and high EBV for hips and they advise us against over using stud dogs.

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I think its falling down hilarious but imagine how the poor people felt who were under the gun. Having to front court and all - what a bloody outrageous joke.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2...ck-paddock.html March 2, 2010 THE internet might be fast but it can still take an eternity to fix mistakes. Our eagle-eyed dairy scribe was checking out the RSPCA's website and raised a puzzled eyebrow at its claim that 40 per cent of dairy cows suffered mastitis and that 16 per cent had their tails docked. A flurry of emails and phone calls soon set them straight but it took several goes to get the mastitis figure amended to the proper figure of 5 per cent. And, as of Monday, the tail docking figure still hadn't been changed to the most recent figure of 10 per cent. In the meantime, how many members of the public have the 40 per cent mastitis figure stuck in their heads?

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/5035...s_escape_house/RSPCA two year, £13,000 investigation because cats left house TWO medical professionals have been fined for failing to stop their seriously injured cats from getting outside following a two-year RSPCA investigation that cost the charity £13,000. Paramedic Simon Butterworth, 32, and wife Lesley, a 29-year-old nurse, admitted failing to provide necessary care and supervision by failing to prevent injured black and white cats Stella and Guinness from leaving their home. The couple, described as responsible pet owners of good character, appeared at Teesside Magistrates’ Court yesterday. The couple, of Appleby Close, Darlington, along with the RSPCA, made an appeal for information in The Northern Echo in June 2008, after both cats returned home with mysterious injuries, receiving skin damage, broken ribs and internal injuries in two incidents. As a result of the injuries, Stella died and Guinness had her tail docked. It is unclear how the cats were hurt, but the couple have always denied injuring them. Yesterday, Kieran Rainey, in mitigation, told the court that the couple, who recently had their first baby, were experienced and responsible pet owners. He said: “They had two cats and both were injured by someone or something else.” He said the couple had struggled to keep their pets inside because of the nature of cats. The court was told that both Stella and Guinness escaped from the house despite the couple trying to keep them inside on vets’ advice. Mr Rainey added: “This is the first and only time they have fallen below the high standard of care they set for themselves.” He said an incident where the couple’s cocker spaniel, Scrumpy, then a six-monthold puppy, tried to play with Guinness, causing her to hide under the sofa, was an oversight on the couple’s part. He added: “Both are of impeccable character. Both have been in steady jobs all their lives”, and said it would be inappropriate to ban the couple from keeping animals. The RSPCA case had cost £13,000, excluding vets’ fees. District judge Kristina Harrison fined Simon Butterworth £560, and ordered him to pay £500 costs. She fined Lesley Butterworth, who is on maternity leave, £100, ordering her to pay £100 towards costs. Judge Harrison said: “I do not think it is appropriate to impose on you a disqualification of having control of animals. I take into account the professions you are in and your previous good character.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/n...est/8545374.stm RSPCA loss after Caernarfon pet is put down The charity said the dog was suffering ill health The RSPCA has lost out on part of a£400,000 legacy after a pet dog was put down. Blackie's owner Claude Atack, 80, from Caernarfon, Gwynedd, had specified that any charity which found his pet a home would get a large part of his estate. Solicitor Dewi Pritchard Jones thought the dog was in good health and was shocked he had been put down. But the RSPCA said Blackie was found to suffer from numerous health problems, and was put down on humane grounds. Mr Atack was found collapsed at his home by concerned neighbours when they realised they had not seen him walking sheepdog Blackie on 29 January. 'Safe' "He walked Blackie four times a day, and he lived for the dog," said Mr Pritchard Jones. Mr Atack died in hospital on 1 February. A neighbour initially looked after Blackie, then he was handed over to the RSPCA. "I wasn't concerned because their leaflets state that they do not put animals down without good reason. I thought he was safe," said the solicitor. He added that Mr Atack had stated in his will that his estate should be shared between different charities, but with no less than one fifth going to an animal charity. I am angry about what happened Dewi Pritchard Jones, solicitorBut verbally he had told his solicitor that more of his estate should be given to any charity which found Blackie a new home. He had stipulated that he could be "especially generous" to any charity which found his dog a home. Mr Pritchard Jones said that a couple, who do not wish to be named but who knew Mr Atack, came forward to offer Blackie a home on 8 February. They traced him to an RSPCA kennel at Shrewsbury, but were told he had already been put down on the day he was handed in. However the RSPCA said Blackie went to them on 2 February, and was only put to sleep on 8 February, after he was assessed for six days. "They said it was because he was in poor health, but I know his health was good," said Mr Pritchard Jones. "The old gentleman thought the world of him and at any sign of illness he would be whipped off to the vet," he said. Other charities "The vet said he (Blackie) had cataracts and was overweight, as a dog which is pampered tends to be," he added. The incident would have broken Mr Atack's heart, he said. "He lived by himself, it was just him and the dog," he added. The solicitor added that the money - in excess of £400,000 - would be shared between other charities. "I am angry about what happened, because I have a dog which is 15 years old, and you can't put them down just because they are old," he said. "I think Blackie would have made someone elderly a lovely companion, as he was used to being around an older person, and they often don't want the hassle of getting a puppy," he added. The RSPCA said all animals that go into RSPCA care go through an assessment period which includes a general health check by a vet. "Blackie had numerous health problems including a severe heart murmur and the vet recommended he was put to sleep on humane grounds," said a spokesperson. "The RSPCA has a strong reputation of re-homing elderly animals and the very difficult decision regarding Blackie was purely based on welfare grounds and would not have altered had the RSPCA known about his deceased owner's will."

My Mum owned a Corgi who was pushing 20 and as she was coming to the end of her life she asked me to take him and be sure he was looked after. He never showed any sign that he was that old except he had lost a couple of teeth but he bounced around ,yelled at the galahs that came into the yard and never had a days sickness. When my Mum died I remember going out the back and telling Eddy and bawling all over him.I thought of all the things Eddy had shared with Mum including the death of my dad,and loads of family events and slobbered all over him. The morning we were leaving to go to Sydney to attend Mum's funeral I went to feed Eddy and he had died in his sleep - just as Mum had done a few days earlier. Boy what a sob story

A couple of years ago I had an incident with a Maremma which I bred. It had gone to a pet home and for 2 and a half years all was good .Then the family moved to another home which had a wire fence at the back and the dog had started barking at the neighbouring horses. I received a phone call to say they could no longer keep him as the barking was now a problem. After all suggestions for them to introduce the dog to the horses and a bunch of other things I was told it wasnt worth trying because she worked now and couldnt be bothered to take steps to try to prevent the dog being too noisy. So I told her to send the dog to me. She then asked for me to buy the dog off her at one and a half times what she paid for it 2 and a half years earlier. I explained that adult Maremmas werent so easy to place and that I was prepared to ask a small price for him and give her the money when he was sold but she didnt want this.She wanted the price she was asking or the dog was going to be PTS. She gave me 2 weeks to either buy the dog at her asking price or sell the dog for that amount.She had raised it and fed it and she wanted compensation for that plus her purchase price return. If it had been up to me I would have paid her price and the whole thing was pretty upsetting because obvioulsy I didnt want the dog to be destroyed but not only did I know the dog wasnt worth this money I couldnt afford it either. Hubby refused and was not budging.The day of the dealine I rang her and told her again I would take the dog and keep it until I found it a new home and any payments I received for it I would give to her but she yelled and ranted that this was it the dog was on it way to the vet to be put down. I was in tears - hated hubby because he woldnt give the go ahead for me to do it. That evening her mother rang and told me she had paid her the money and the dog was going to live with her because the kids loved the dog and it was breaking their hearts to say goodbye.The dog still lives with the mother and the grandkids get to visit with it. Im happy to bring the dog home and either keep it here or find it a new home but I think its unreasonable for people to expect a refund of their purchase price years after the original puppy sale.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_an...icle7044473.ece Lady Gaga headlined on Saturday. Next Sunday Lily Allen joins Dizzee Rascal for a singalong. Bon Jovi has booked the stage for the summer. But on Wednesday night, the O2 Arena, in Greenwich, southeast London, welcomes a group of very different, but no less demanding, performers. Some will be angry, some will be timid, some — the organisers claim — will be inspirational. On past form, the chances are at least one will be scared of linoleum. All will be dogs. And training them — as well as possibly wrestling them — will be the US superstar, Cesar Millan: dog walker to Hollywood; founder of the world’s first dog psychology centre; bête noire of animal welfare charities and recalcitrant rottweilers everywhere. Millan is the Dog Whisperer. He believes that to control a dog you have to think like a dog, act like a dog — and prove to the dog that you are its pack leader. If that means rolling it on to its back, jabbing it in its face, and attaining the near-universal condemnation of dog behaviour experts, then so be it. Tens of thousands of devoted dog owners — and a handful of specially selected troublesome dogs — appreciate his approach, and have tickets to his UK tour to prove it. A consortium of 26 animal welfare organisations, meanwhile — including the RSPCA, the Australian Veterinary Association, the Kennel Club and the British Veterinary Association — has written an open letter ahead of the show, warning that Millan’s methods will lead to “pain and fear”, and are “not only unacceptable from a welfare perspective, but not necessary for the modification of dog behaviour”. Some, privately, say that they will be attending to see if he breaks animal welfare laws. Millan is used to this criticism and his producers have a standard response letter. “The canine experts, pet shelters and rescue groups around the world that agree enthusiastically with Cesar Millan’s techniques far outnumber Mr Millan’s detractors,” it says. In any case, Millan is a man with a higher mission. “The goal that God and I have together,” he says, “is the whole world transformed through a dog.” Divine or not, all that’s important, say his many clients, is that his methods work. Millan has trained Jada Pinkett Smith — Will Smith’s wife — to be pack leader to her rottweilers. The action stars Vin Diesel and Nicholas Cage have been shown how to be alpha males in their own homes. Oprah Winfrey, who previously called dogs “little people with fur”, was chastised for not showing any canine leadership to her dog Sophie. They are all grateful, and highly remunerative, clients. And 2010 is the year that Cesar Millan expands his doggy empire into Britain: starting with a national tour and leading to a British version of his hit TV show, The Dog Whisperer. All of which is very impressive for a man who began his career 20 years ago as an illegal immigrant from Mexico, without any English or any money. Millan’s legend — a canine American Dream — is by now familiar to most of the 11 million Americans who watch his TV show. Penniless in California, he found himself in a world of dog beauty clinics and dog birthday parties. Originating from a Mexican village, where he was known to his family as El Perrero (dog boy) this was confusing. He started walking dogs, handling difficult animals and inevitably, this being LA, gained some extremely powerful clients. It was then that he started to formalise his theory of dog behaviour, which, at its core, is simple: dogs are pack animals, human beings should be the dominant pack member. “If what you do is say, ‘I’m sorry, baby, Mommy has to go, blah, blah, blah’, the dog only understands that you are in a soft state and he is dominating you,” Millan explains. This is not good for you, or a healthy dog. “If a dog is OK with just love, I would not be in business,” he says. Dogs need discipline, they need to know you are in charge. “Don’t let a dog walk in front of you. You’re the leader.” His fans love this approach, but to conventional animal behavourists it is snake oil. “Basically, with a smile, he’s going to war with these dogs,” says Nicholas Dodman, a veterinary behaviourist. If it is a war, then it’s a war fought with the rhetoric of a self-help guide. “Anything that is realistic, if I create it in my mind, it can become reality,” Millan says of his ambitions. He says he likes dogs because “they accept you as who you are . . . but they won’t be around unstable energy.” On the covers of his books — Be the Pack Leader, Cesar’s Way, A Member of the Family — his grin is so fixed and dazzling, his forehead so tight and tanned, that every picture looks as if it could be the same headshot, Photoshopped into different, soft-focus doggy Utopias. Alas, however, his is not quite the doggy Utopia it once was. Daddy, the pitbull star of so many of his shows, died last week. The obituary on Millan’s website described him as “one of the most influential pitbull ambassadors the world has ever known”. And for those who might consider the world of pitbull ambassadors to be too rarefied, it adds: “His name is now added to that honourable roster of dogs gone by whose influence is still felt today . . . Rin-Tin-Tin,Lassie.” It is not an idle boast. Beneath are 50 pages of condolences, each containing 50 comments. Some of those commentators will doubtless be watching on Wednesday night, eager to learn from the world’s greatest dog guru. But Millan must know that the crowd will also contain representatives from Britain’s most-respected animal welfare bodies — watching, with equal keenness, to see if the dog-boy-made- good is breaking the law.

As far as I know the MDBA code of conduct is the only one which covers this. quote - I will impress on the buyer that they should contact me in the event of any problem arising with the puppy or adult and that I will make every effort to be of assistance in these circumstances. In the case of a dog needing to be re-homed I will take full responsibility to assist as much as possible in achieving this end and will accept the return of that dog at any age if this in any way possible. Even if the breeder is unable to do this the MDBA networks steps in to help.We had a case recenty where the breeder was in a spot where they couldnt help so we worked together to be sure the dog wasnt at risk and helped find it a new home with the breeder supervising.

There's something smelly here. If dogs are kept in enclosures too small to lay down then the RSPCA can and will do something about that because it is a breach of POCTAA. If the dogs have no adequate clean water then the RSPCA can and will do something about that because it is a breach of POCTAA. If the animals dont have shelter from the elements then thats a breach of POCTAA and the RSPCA can and will do something about that. Why cant they show the photos? They dont hesitate to show them any other time. There are no injuries or the dogs would be seized and no one has stopped at showing us animals in small crates or covered in poo before. Why havent the RSPCA gone in with cameras ready to put it on their rescue show as they did with Judy and a dozen others? Why havent these dogs been seized and checked out by an RSPCA vet to see if they have worms like they did with Rozzie? Something stinks. The whole deal about the RSPCA puppy farm paper is that they cant do much and they want wider better powers - think about it. I dont believe that if conditions are as they are being represented that they cant go in because they are against the POCTAA .

Nup Ive owned a beagle which lived to over 22 and my vet had a couple of Beagles which she treated which were well over that too.

For Those of you who will not be attending our awards presentation evening but who would like a copy of the souvenir program you can order a copy by emailing [email protected] These are $2.50 each to cover postage. Or if you would like to advertise in the program which will give you an opportunity to reach a targeted dog owner market please email [email protected] . People tend to hang onto these and refer back to them often so it's a great way to spread the word about your business, kennel or rescue group. AWARDS PROGRAM ADVERTISING Half page (approx 140mmH x 200mmW) colour $100.00 - mono $90.00 Quarter page (approx 140mmH x 100mmW) colour $75.00 - mono $65.00 {Ads must be high res pdf, jpg or eps files} The MDBA has also offered a special rate for the Awards only for a package of web/program advertising; Half page ad (colour) program + side column banner website (12month) = $250.00 OR Half page ad (colour) program + horizontal banner website (12month) = $200.00 There are also some sponsorship opportunities still available if you would like to donate a prize or cash to add to the prize for individual category winners. Please email for information [email protected]. MDBA Dog Owners Choice Awards Proudly sponsored by

The concept of breeding puppies for money is relatively new and when I was younger pet shops sold puppies which came from accidental litters and they never gave much to the breeder.Breeders were just glad to be rid of them and most times handed them over to the pet shops for free. These days one breeder with a couple of hundred dogs sure makes what used to happen long gone. I grew up in suburbia and dogs were rarely desexed but they were always in their own yards. It was rare to spot a stray.

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