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But these days any injury ends up at the vets and a declaration of a dangerous dog. If everyone went there and was responsible (so kept aggressive dogs out) and everyone accepted that accidents happen then yes this could work. But that isn't what I have seen. I don't go to offlead parks after a few not so happy occasions so my intolerance has all come from walking in on lead areas. I can't actually walk my dog at the moment- I would be able to take him for a walk physically but I know on just about every walk I will meet someone with an off lead dog so I need to be able to restrain him as well as keep the other dog away and I am not physically capable. So my poor DINOS has to sit in the back yard (ok my bed but back yard is more dramatic) because people can't respect our personal space. Thankfully someone is coming over this afternoon to give him his first walk in a week!! There is actually an off lead dog park 10min walk down the rd but nope they are too lazy and let their dog 'be social' with mine in an on lead area!!

I am more than happy to not pick up my dog. The one I am thinking about is quite happy to walk along, does not act aggressive, until a SOCIAL DOG decides that they are only on lead because they have a bad recall (Because dogs know these kinds of things ;) ) At which point my dog will pin said rude dog and tell them off in a VERY antisocial way. But clearly because I remained calm and wasn't over protective or yell its all fine. Your social dog will also recover well from being attacked :D Oh and you will not be annoyed at all if your dog was injured because it was not my fault that it happened..... Right??? Seriously Keep YOUR DOG AWAY FROM DOGS ON LEAD :mad Sometimes people pick up their dogs because their dog has already attacked another dog and they don't want to have to fork over money for a vet to repair your dog or have to live with their own conscious???

Thats OK I answered the poll thee times before I realised what the problem was

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You said it better than me!

I can't answer because I don't own one (so can't answer the first question)

This although I used wipes instead of cotton wool as I found it tidier.

I like feeding twice a day to help keep my dogs weight on target. Like humans lots of small meals help them loose weight and with the dogs I am trying to bulk up it allows me to get more into them!

Kelpies, particularly under 10mths- they will hit anything and just keep going. Big floppy ears and galloping around at full speed! The older ones do amazing zoomies because they play chicken with each other and I am not sure how they decide which one jumps and which one ducks!!!

Just a question- has this caused any muscle wasting in the dogs front end? Is there any muscle increase in their rear to compensate. Also when they were jumping pre diagnosis did it look like the dog was trying to land softly? I was looking at a dog in competition and I am sure it has a should injury of some description but their vet hasn't found anything so I am looking for more unusual problems. Hang in there Ness!

OK so didn't get to everything but overall I think with all the crap that has been flying my way I am happy with it. 2012 will hopefully have me getting more confident and actually entering more events rather than chickening out all the time. Its nice to look back and see that I have actually made some headway, particularly with Franky who is really fun and easy to work with!

I am doing the same thing with my pup- she had a blast doing Rally-O!! Much easier on her mentally than obedience because I can encourage her so she knows she is doing the right thing.

Are your dogs used to going and visiting other dogs in their homes? Is his dog confident with dogs visiting? I have taken my entire male on many playdates and not had a problem. I did have a crate to pop him in if there were any issues or he was getting excitable and stoooopid. So long as you have a way to separate them if they don't get along then I don't see why not. If you don't have an easy way to separate then it could make the day a little stressful. A way to separate is also handy to give the BB a break as he is only a baby and will need time out.

Donatella- Why is the breeder responsible for a pup up to a certain undetermined age? They sold the pup healthy. Why have you set one year of age, why shouldn't it be 6mth or 18mths or 2yrs. When would you feel you had got your moneys worth? Would it change if the breeder charged $1000 or if they charged $100? Is the breeder responsible for a broken leg under 1yr of age because of the excitable temperament of a dog? Or if its baby canines don't fall out and it needs surgery to remove them? When I buy a pup I get it health checked. At that point I accept all responsibility- I will have checked that I am happy with the hip scores of the parents, I will have asked about any other health problems in the lines regarding the breed tendency and ask about the ages that my dogs relatives have lived to. In my opinion if the breeder answers all of these with answers that I am happy with then they have produced the best pup possible and the rest is left to fate. krystal&coco- I hope you find some answers and that they are the ones you want to hear. Give your breeder a chance to process the situation. If I had that phone call I would probably be a little shocked so perhaps this is the case? I hope that the breeder is proactive regardless of the outcome. I think its still a very young age to be diagnosed with what could be a very detrimental health deficit (could also be one that sees it live a very long and healthy life) and is one you'd think a breeder would be very interested in following through seeing as her bloodlines produced what could be a sick pup (presuming its not an acquired conditioned as previously suggested which I guess what tests will determine). Many breeders would rather you contact them if you were thinking about rehoming a pup before rehoming to a stranger so surely they would take a more vested interest in a serious health matter? IF tests prove that this pup was born with the murmer and it was missed (that hasn't been negated yet, only specialist tests will rule it out) then the breeder needs to stand forward and take ownership. If it is something the pup has recently picked up then I completely agree its not the breeders fault at all, however i'd be taking one hell of a vested interest in it seeing as they are her bloodlines in this sick dog. I think if it were MISSED then the VETS are the one to blame. Had the breeder known they might not have sold the pup or sold it at a discounted price, but since they thought the pup was healthy and this was backed up by a second veterinarian!! For all intents and purposes according to the breeder the pup was healthy at the point of sale. If it was not missed then there is nothing the breeder could do and so I do not believe the breeder is at fault. I am in no way saying that as a breeder that I wouldn't give a refund etc, but that is my choice and I wouldn't think less of a breeder that didn't give a full refund etc. I don't think anyone can say that a breeder is responsible for keeping a pup healthy beyond the day that the new owners get it unless there is a family history of certain problems and they should be disclosed and what happens if they eventuate should be discussed. The breeder is showing interest- they want to be kept up to date? I am not sure what else you want the breeder to do? They want to know what the specialist says. I would hope that they expressed concern for the pup etc but as far as they are concerned the pup was healthy when it left. If breeders have to be responsible for vet bills up to one year of age I can't think of many that would still have litters...... We are not companies with insurance and mass produced identical products that can be replaced on the drop of a hat.....

Donatella- Why is the breeder responsible for a pup up to a certain undetermined age? They sold the pup healthy. Why have you set one year of age, why shouldn't it be 6mth or 18mths or 2yrs. When would you feel you had got your moneys worth? Would it change if the breeder charged $1000 or if they charged $100? Is the breeder responsible for a broken leg under 1yr of age because of the excitable temperament of a dog? Or if its baby canines don't fall out and it needs surgery to remove them? When I buy a pup I get it health checked. At that point I accept all responsibility- I will have checked that I am happy with the hip scores of the parents, I will have asked about any other health problems in the lines regarding the breed tendency and ask about the ages that my dogs relatives have lived to. In my opinion if the breeder answers all of these with answers that I am happy with then they have produced the best pup possible and the rest is left to fate. krystal&coco- I hope you find some answers and that they are the ones you want to hear. Give your breeder a chance to process the situation. If I had that phone call I would probably be a little shocked so perhaps this is the case? I hope that the breeder is proactive regardless of the outcome.

If he's young, buff and topless, I'm coming to your place to train Ill visit too!! I want to add to mine Airconditioned agility AND flyball arenas!! With good lighting (so I can take pretty pictures)

A big property- flat areas with full agility and flyball setups and a doggie pool. A campervan type thing- kitted out with crates Comfy poofy dog beds in all the best spots a treat cutting up machine

But there is no evidence thus far to prove that the pup was sick!! TWO vets cleared the pup- is the breeder supposed to have a crystal ball to know that the pup is sick? This pup was healthy from the onset. Vet bills are a risk that you take on when you buy an animal.

Had not heard of this vaccine before - but my daughter in law bought a pup (they didn't want a poodle!!!) but it is an adorable Beagle - well she had a one only vaccination at 10 weeks and told me vet said it was fine for walking etc a short while after - I said are you sure - this can't be true but it must be - sounds pretty impressive if its as good as that. Do you remember the name of the vaccine - I have used Nobivac - and believe it can be used from 10 weeks - I have used it after the initial vaccination at 12 weeks all seems fine with the pups I've used it on. On the feeding side she is absolutlely fine now - probably just had it with breast feeding but has given them a drop here and there and I am no longer worried on this one - but no doubt will find something else to worry about!!! but hope not. Nobivac can just be given once at 10 weeks. Some vets are now recommending titre testing after the first 12mths and many dogs are proving to still have good measurable immunity at that time frame so can go even longer without a booster.

Good luck and a speedy recovery next week!

I welcome you to try and tell my kelpies that they should be outside more!! Particularly if it is raining- according to them it is inhumane to force them to walk on wet grass. My dogs get the run of most of the house when I am out. I try and limit it to no more than 8hrs, anything more and I take them to my grandmothers to be minded. I don't have secure fencing (6ft paling fence to a silly neighbour who has thrown food into my yard etc so fine when I am home and can supervise) and I also have joyous neighbours who don't care if their little yapper fence runs and annoys my dogs all day. I hope in the future my dogs will have a doggie door but I am guessing that won't be until I move.

If the teeth seem like they are quite firm and you can see the adult canines coming up in the incorrect position I would be getting the baby canines out right now. No point risking malocclusion by waiting a few extra weeks!! Way up the risk/price of an anaesthetic now vs having regular dentals under anaesthetic later in life and missing out on showing etc. (Be wary of anyone who says there is a quick and cheap fix with regards to correcting any dental misalignments- do your research as there are some techniques that just don't work, but are being marketed as being a great alternative. Also I wouldn't use pliers unless you are very confident- breaking off the top of the tooth and having the vet have to dig out the root is not as straight forward, also it can make them mouth shy.) In dogs they have found that baby teeth should fall out prior to the adult coming through so having two canines at the same time will always be abnormal. It is generally left to 6mths because your average pup is being desexed at this age and so is a way of limiting anaesthetics, not because 6mths is actually when they should have fallen out by. If they are not impacting on the placement of the adult teeth there is not much of a problem waiting till this time.

I think there are also unhealthy dogs being bred because it is easy to just keep going the way they are, not just to win in the show ring. WWhy fix health problems when everyone accepts them? So educating the public- telling them they CAN get their lovely BB without all the health problems seems like a more positive approach than trying to butt heads with people who may not want to listen. If they can't sell their pups then they can't come close to covering expenses which would decrease their numbers, allowing the typey healthy BB to become the norm. Just a different angle. I think it is hard to make any changes from a negative point of view. I am currently trying to come up with a positive approach to eliminating health problems in my own breed that are being ignored. To come at it head on will only cause people to duck for cover. Educating every potential puppy buyer about relevant questions is one step that I have taken to let breeders know that letting things slip is unacceptable. But I am trying to look for other approaches to.

Sorry I find this post very condescending. I live in WA. WA is a LOT bigger than NSW, I was asking for the whole state as over here you do not get any country shows on the same weekend as Perth metro shows. So yes I am interested in all of NSW as you have that option ;) Actually you have the option of crossing the border a bit easier than us too :D A lot of people on here are saying that you shouldn't be able to get a Championship title until you get a 25 point CC (which to make it fair should be a 25 point BIG so that the dog breeds with less than 20 entered who have to win BIG beating those breeds with more than 20 entered are on the same playing field ;) ). To do that at breed level I have to travel around 3,500km. So giving me a lesson on how big NSW is in comparison to England is a tad harsh! How many times does NSW fit into WA? LOL. Not defending but I do wonder how many of that number are specialties?? Which I think would drop the numbers down a little. I like the points the way they are. If anything I would like more titles to encourage judges to not give out cc points that would get more dogs into the ring i.e. if you don't get cc points you can get some other achievement. It would take away some of the stigma of not getting your cc points, help the judges who are not confident enough to non-award a dog with a clear fault etc and increase the number of participants in the ring. (For me to seek regular competition in my breed I would have to travel to the country instead of doing local shows- so I am afraid I will always have the odd petrol champ because I can't actually afford the petrol to chase down the competition AND I think they deserve their CH even if they never win a group because 17 people have looked at my dog and assessed it worthy to become a champion so I am going to take their word for it)

I saw a fair few injuries when I was working at a specialist practice. Have you had imaging done? I would want to know exactly what I was dealing with! We had some really great outcomes I do know of a kelpie who was in a car accident and broke in spine (not sure where). It was touch and go but he had deep pain sensations so they continued to treat him and he had pins put in to stabilise the area. He now needs a sling to do stairs but he still has fun. He was much older so was already starting to wind down activity wise however his injury has limited how active he can be.