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Hello, Apologies for posting on here, but the papillon thread appears to be very dead.... I have 2 lovely toy poodles (female spayed), and am considering adding a papillon pup to the mix. I don't have a lot of experience with the breed, but have liked the dogs I have met. My dogs are my world, live indoors, and I do low-level agility and obedience. Is there anyone that can provide any information on pros and cons of the breed ? I am specifically interested in the reality of how much they shed (as have been very spoilt with only poodles over the past decade). Thank you !

thanks heaps for all the recommendations - will look into both the orbilocs and the rogz ones :)

Hello, I am looking to get a LED safety light for my 3.5kg toy poodle, and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations ? I have heard that the orbiloc ones are very good, but am worried it may be a little too heavy for a small dog (but have only seen these in the packaging). Any recommendations would be really appreciated :) Thanks in advance.

Thank you so much for your comments anne - and mita as well (not sure how to reply to both together). I really am trying to do what is right by these dogs, and really have done my research in regards to rescue organisations. I try to be very careful as I am aware of more than one rescue group who is not overly reputable, and so want to make sure these pups have the best chance at life. I have also signed them all up to petplan through my work so am hoping the new owners decide to continue with pet insurance (but that is a whole other debate :p).

what a good idea. thanks - have taken all these comments on board and am in the process of working things out with a rescue organisation. and as I mentioned before - there are reasons for these pups not having anaesthetics straight away, and I am not on here to discuss those as I trust the vets I have sought guidance from. Who on earth are you goin to rehome 6-7 week old pups with health issues to? I sincerely hope that you do your research on the families that you place them with. They MUST be made aware of the responsibilty they are taking on in getting one of these pups. Thanks for your input - love the fact that you have come up with all sorts of insinuations regarding the long term health of these pups and who I have rehomed them to. And yes I had several offers from rescue groups for these pups - and I advised them all that I would be in touch at the end of the month if I needed help. I have met many different types of rescue groups over the years, and so reserve the right to choose one of my own accord. Which I have now done. Thanks to those people who were willing to help without jumping to their own conclusions. I am only going on the facts that you have presented and there is no insinuation what so ever from me. You stated you have found homes for 6-7 week old pups, the age of those pups alone is a very valid reason for needing to be very careful who you place them with. You say they cannot have an anaesthetic straight away on advise from your vet. So...that was not because of health? They are going to be rehomed undesexed...another valid reason for being extra careful with who they are rehomed to. I really do not want to continue this debate, but will just point a few things out: Firstly, I was never going to rehome the pups at 6-7 weeks of age - I was always going to hang on to them until March, so that they were at least 10 weeks of age. I have been very careful with whom I am rehoming them too, and have certainly knocked back plenty of people who I did not think were suitable. As for the anaesthetic, I am not going to justify my reasons and am content with the decision that I have made with my vet. These pups will be desexed prior to going to their new homes. Thank you everyone for your input - it is appreciated.

The comment re jumping to conclusions was not directed at you. I was very grateful for your help and was honestly going to contact you once I had spoken to a few people this morning. Regardless, the pups will now be desexed prior to rehoming - I do appreciate the opinions I received and have taken that advice. As I have mentioned several times I have no problem with early age desexing (have personally done several surgeries myself) - but it is just not optimal in this situation (and do not feel the need to explain the medical reasons behind it on here). Sincere thanks.

what a good idea. thanks - have taken all these comments on board and am in the process of working things out with a rescue organisation. and as I mentioned before - there are reasons for these pups not having anaesthetics straight away, and I am not on here to discuss those as I trust the vets I have sought guidance from. Who on earth are you goin to rehome 6-7 week old pups with health issues to? I sincerely hope that you do your research on the families that you place them with. They MUST be made aware of the responsibilty they are taking on in getting one of these pups. Thanks for your input - love the fact that you have come up with all sorts of insinuations regarding the long term health of these pups and who I have rehomed them to. And yes I had several offers from rescue groups for these pups - and I advised them all that I would be in touch at the end of the month if I needed help. I have met many different types of rescue groups over the years, and so reserve the right to choose one of my own accord. Which I have now done. Thanks to those people who were willing to help without jumping to their own conclusions.

what a good idea. thanks - have taken all these comments on board and am in the process of working things out with a rescue organisation. and as I mentioned before - there are reasons for these pups not having anaesthetics straight away, and I am not on here to discuss those as I trust the vets I have sought guidance from.

that is exactly what I was thinking of.. but wasn't sure how to work it all out. Do you do the same thing for male dogs (all these pups are male). Would you mind providing me with more info at all (e.g. how much bond etc). Feel free to PM me instead. Really appreciate your input.

yeah its a good idea - thanks. should be doable as its really only the 2 pups that I need to keep a really close eye on. thanks :)

oh ok - my issue is most certainly with the anaesthetic due to their size (& this has been backed up by 3 senior vets at the clinic I am at). They are otherwise healthy, and are ok to go to their new homes in 1-2 weeks. I think I might contact the new owners prior to the time they pick them up and ask them to pre-pay for desexing at their local clinic (or at least ask if I can contact their vet for a reference). In a perfect world I would desex them at the clinic I work at, but this is not possible as I am going overseas, and the pups are not all going to stay in the area where I work. I appreciate that people have different opinions regarding this matter, but please bear in mind that I am not asking for an opinion as to whether the pups are able to have an anaesthetic (+ you are not aware as to all the background with this particular litter) - I was purely asking for advice regarding alternatives. Thank you for all of your help - much appreciated.

I imagine that an anaesthetic is still required for a vasectomy (& so they may as well be castrated instead). I am hoping for an option that delays a general anaesthetic until they are a little bit older. 3/5 pups are going to vets & vet nurses, so it is only 2 pups specifically that I am concerned about (despite the fact that the people seem responsible etc.). Vet nurses are amongst some of the biggest back yard breeders around. Rehoming them to a vet nurse is no guarantee. The only way to ensure they cannot be bred form is to neuter or have a vasectomy performed. Providing they are over KG in weight, there's no reason why they cannot be done before the are rehomed. The recovery time is very fast for babies. These are vet nurses I have worked with for over 7 years, so I trust them entirely (plus I work with them so I will know if the dogs are not desexed). These pups are right between 800g-1kg at the moment. As I said, I am an advocate for early desexing (in such situations), but do not think it is the best option in this scenario. I am confused by what is meant by a vasectomy ?? Have never heard of this being done (but would consider it). Assume what you mean is something different to surgical castration ?

thanks heaps - I normally do not have an issue with early desexing, but these pups have had a rough start to life and so I am not comfortable giving them a general anaesthetic them whilst they are so young. I was thinking about asking the owners to pre-pay for desexing at their local vet clinic and provide me with a receipt prior to pick-up ? (as was not sure the legalities were with taking money and refunding it once proof of desexing has been provided).

I imagine that an anaesthetic is still required for a vasectomy (& so they may as well be castrated instead) - is this correct ? I am hoping for an option that delays a general anaesthetic until they are a little bit older. 3/5 pups are going to vets & vet nurses, so it is only 2 pups specifically that I am concerned about (despite the fact that the people seem responsible etc.).

hello, I have managed to find homes for some little jrt x pups that I rescued from a clinic I am currently working at, but now am just trying to work out the best way to enforce desexing at 6 months of age. I was thinking about not signing over microchip paperwork until desexing certificate is produced at 6 months of age, but am a bit worried should they get lost as I will be overseas very soon. Is there a contract or anything that I can use ? Does anyone have any ideas ? I have screened the homes to the best of my ability, but just want to make sure that I am not contributing to the unwanted animal population. I would provide desexing vouchers but these pups are going all over the country. I would desex these pups myself prior to rehoming, but they are only just 6-7 weeks old (& barely 1kg) and so I would much rather wait. Thanks in advance. Edited to add that all pups are boys.