Boxerheart

In your case it was already occurring in the breed. In the case of Boxers the main issue is a Corgi was used. A Corgi has very different temperament, construction and coat to a Boxer. Many retain Corgi construction traits. Tails are often set on low too as a Corgi's is this is to do with angulation of the croup). If construction is not right we do not have true Boxer movement. Temperament in those I have witnessed and others have witnessed in other Bobtails .. aggressive (please note I understand this does not mean they all are). There are reports of long coats and ruffs still occurring, though I have not witnessed any. The planes of the forehead are flatter and muzzles are longer and often incorrect (these points pointed out by an international judge who themselves bred bobtails.) There are nearly always kinks in bob tales or malformation. Some breeders are still docking their bobtails for the correct length though this is illegal. Though there are no doubt going to be some very nice specimens out there... and as I said before, I am sure their breeders are doing what they think is right. However, the rose coloured glasses have to come off both breeders and the judges if they want to bring up the standard of the BT's and not damage what we already have as a breed. Also need to stop being biased of dogs with long tails because they ARE the breed (they are not yesterdays rubbish).

And again it is the UKKC who think nothing of the rest of the world. The world will either accept it and move on or potentially not recognize countries that accept UK stock. Then also we will also probably even have bigger issues with councils who will be able to question a breeds purity. I wonder and this is my biggest concern, are the UKKC going to insist on mandatory health testing of any unregistered dogs they accept in our breeds.

I am not a fan of NBT in our breed, (But I do understand their are breeders out there doing what they think is best from their side of the fence so to speak.) There is always two sides to a story. But I don't think we can call ourselves purebred dog breeders when any kennel club from any which country can allow it's members to designer dog breed for cosmetic reasons and without any approval from country of origin of the breed. Dr Cattenach did it purely for cosmetic reasons, a "flight of fancy" in his own words, and he even thought of introducing upright ears! It appalls me that Dr Cattenach's flight of fancy now makes every Joe Blo want to cross their previously docked breed, and yes it is nothing but designer dog breeding.

Agree

Too many variables with a growing animal to lay the blame solely at the breeders feet. Some premium dog foods can make a pup grow too rapidly. Some previously considered premium dog foods have gone to crap too. It is far from a natural diet and I am sorry but one bone a week minus regular BARF type food is just not good enough in my opinion. Your pup may have been over exercised or too fat. Injured, Bounding up and down stairs? etc etc Only you know what you and your breeder discussed and agreed to and I hope the breeder put it in writing. You have bought a living thing and there is always risk with a living thing. Have you had a second specialists vets opinion? Was the puppies parents hip and elbow scored? End of the day our opinions mean nothing. You obviously are looking to pass the buck and are seeking support on here. You need to be talking to your breeder not us. By the way, just because a dog is put on main register does not mean it is guaranteed show quality, nor does it imply it is show quality. It simply means there have been no restrictions as to what you would do with that dog, placed on that dog. Sorry if this comes across as harsh. But sitting here behind the computer we cannot know all that went on in the 8 months you have had the pup. Talk to your breeder first.

We did during the war eras..also in some countries I think I read some people who are terminally ill sell themselves to labs to earn funds for their families. Pretty gruesome, but many discoveries are made this way. Sad all around, but then many gain for the sacrifice. I am not sure how I feel on these topics. Depends on circumstance I guess.

OK..I dragged out the book. I personally would not risk my pups on a drug companies sales pitch. Active immunity is produced when a individual is exposed to a foreign organism. This may be by natural exposure or via vaccine (induced active immunity). The initial response of the body on first exposure to antigens is known as the Primary Response. After exposure to the antigen it normally takes about two weeks for the antibody levels to peak. During this time B cells are converted to plasma cells that secrete antibodies specific for the antigen. The antibody levels do not remain elevated for a long time. If the individual is exposed a second time to the antigen, the presence of memory cells stimulates rapid production of antibodies. In the secondary response, antibodies quickly reach peak levels and remain elevated for a longer time.

I don't think so. It takes two weeks for the body to develop immunity and there is a process the body must go through to do this. No shortcuts, whiling it is going through this process the mothers immunity is compromised. That is why we vaccinate at 6 weeks and not home them till 8 weeks. If I must , I shall dredge out my anatomy and physiology books and write a short essay in correct jargon (if my simple explanation is not to be believed :D I found out yesterday that Nobivac claim that their vac can cut through maternal antibodies so you give a c3 at 6 weeks and then the Nobivac c3 or c5 at 10 weeks and thats it for 12 months. Nobivac claim their 10 week vac works in 36 hours and you can take your pups out after this... the vet said 7 days to be safe. OK..I dragged out the book. I personally would not risk my pups on a drug companies sales pitch. Active immunity is produced when a individual is exposed to a foreign organism. This may be by natural exposure or via vaccine (induced active immunity). The initial response of the body on first exposure to antigens is known as the Primary Response. After exposure to the antigen it normally takes about two weeks for the antibody levels to peak. During this time B cells are converted to plasma cells that secrete antibodies specific for the antigen. The antibody levels do not remain elevated for a long time. If the individual is exposed a second time to the antigen, the presence of memory cells stimulates rapid production of antibodies. In the secondary response, antibodies quickly reach peak levels and remain elevated for a longer time.

I don't think so. It takes two weeks for the body to develop immunity and there is a process the body must go through to do this. No shortcuts, whiling it is going through this process the mothers immunity is compromised. That is why we vaccinate at 6 weeks and not home them till 8 weeks. If I must , I shall dredge out my anatomy and physiology books and write a short essay in correct jargon (if my simple explanation is not to be believed :D I found out yesterday that Nobivac claim that their vac can cut through maternal antibodies so you give a c3 at 6 weeks and then the Nobivac c3 or c5 at 10 weeks and thats it for 12 months. Nobivac claim their 10 week vac works in 36 hours and you can take your pups out after this... the vet said 7 days to be safe. OK..I dragged out the book. I personally would not risk my pups on a drug companies sales pitch. Active immunity is produced when a individual is exposed to a foreign organism. This may be by natural exposure or via vaccine (induced active immunity). The initial response of the body on first exposure to antigens is known as the Primary Response. After exposure to the antigen it normally takes about two weeks for the antibody levels to peak. During this time B cells are converted to plasma cells that secrete antibodies specific for the antigen. The antibody levels do not remain elevated for a long time. If the individual is exposed a second time to the antigen, the presence of memory cells stimulates rapid production of antibodies. In the secondary response, antibodies quickly reach peak levels and remain elevated for a longer time.

I don't think so. It takes two weeks for the body to develop immunity and there is a process the body must go through to do this. No shortcuts, whiling it is going through this process the mothers immunity is compromised. That is why we vaccinate at 6 weeks and not home them till 8 weeks. If I must , I shall dredge out my anatomy and physiology books and write a short essay in correct jargon (if my simple explanation is not to be believed :D I found out yesterday that Nobivac claim that their vac can cut through maternal antibodies so you give a c3 at 6 weeks and then the Nobivac c3 or c5 at 10 weeks and thats it for 12 months. Nobivac claim their 10 week vac works in 36 hours and you can take your pups out after this... the vet said 7 days to be safe. OK..I dragged out the book. I personally would not risk my pups on a drug companies sales pitch. Active immunity is produced when a individual is exposed to a foreign organism. This may be by natural exposure or via vaccine (induced active immunity). The initial response of the body on first exposure to antigens is known as the Primary Response. After exposure to the antigen it normally takes about two weeks for the antibody levels to peak. During this time B cells are converted to plasma cells that secrete antibodies specific for the antigen. The antibody levels do not remain elevated for a long time. If the individual is exposed a second time to the antigen, the presence of memory cells stimulates rapid production of antibodies. In the secondary response, antibodies quickly reach peak levels and remain elevated for a longer time.

I don't think so. It takes two weeks for the body to develop immunity and there is a process the body must go through to do this. No shortcuts, whiling it is going through this process the mothers immunity is compromised. That is why we vaccinate at 6 weeks and not home them till 8 weeks. If I must , I shall dredge out my anatomy and physiology books and write a short essay in correct jargon (if my simple explanation is not to be believed :D I found out yesterday that Nobivac claim that their vac can cut through maternal antibodies so you give a c3 at 6 weeks and then the Nobivac c3 or c5 at 10 weeks and thats it for 12 months. Nobivac claim their 10 week vac works in 36 hours and you can take your pups out after this... the vet said 7 days to be safe. OK..I dragged out the book. I personally would not risk my pups on a drug companies sales pitch. Active immunity is produced when a individual is exposed to a foreign organism. This may be by natural exposure or via vaccine (induced active immunity). The initial response of the body on first exposure to antigens is known as the Primary Response. After exposure to the antigen it normally takes about two weeks for the antibody levels to peak. During this time B cells are converted to plasma cells that secrete antibodies specific for the antigen. The antibody levels do not remain elevated for a long time. If the individual is exposed a second time to the antigen, the presence of memory cells stimulates rapid production of antibodies. In the secondary response, antibodies quickly reach peak levels and remain elevated for a longer time.

I don't think so. It takes two weeks for the body to develop immunity and there is a process the body must go through to do this. No shortcuts, whiling it is going through this process the mothers immunity is compromised. That is why we vaccinate at 6 weeks and not home them till 8 weeks. If I must , I shall dredge out my anatomy and physiology books and write a short essay in correct jargon (if my simple explanation is not to be believed :D

I avoided showing, and still had my shoes, disinfected whenever I left the property or had anyone visit their shoes got sprayed too. But my OH is quite lax, and we can bring in stuff on our car tyres...the worry is endless. I believe that only bleach will kill the germs too..but I recall someone mentioning somthing else...I would like to be reminded

However, just because it is capable of doing well in the ring doesnt make it suitable for breeding either. Yes, but at some point the buyers being armed with the knowledge that a show potential dog is not the same as a good breeding prospect must take some of the risks we breeders have to take too. We all set out to buy or breed the best but we are not God, we cannot have perfectionism (and even God FKss up - how much in the rest of the world is wrong)..that aside how much money do we breeders spend on dead ends. People need to get a reality check and realise we are dealing with living things and with life is risk.

What a lot of Rot and assumption on your part here. End of the day, the puppies belong to the breeder who will sell the puppies according to demand and the suitability of the home at the price they wish to set. PERIOD. Limited register = cant register progeny or show, but can do obedience. Main register = can show and register progeny Both registers may include excellent examples of the breed, and pets may also be excellent examples of the breed. Both registers may also include very poor examples depending on the breeder or the dogs used. Both registers are entirely the discretion of the INDIVIDUAL breeder and what they want to sell their puppies on as. Buyers must do their research and know what they are looking for in their breed as it is not possible to use the registers as a guide to quality.