poodlefan

Royal Canin is the only kibble I've tried that Howie hasn't lost enthusiasm for.

At least she's done the right thing by the dog.

Keep him away from big dogs.

My guess is that's what he's trying to achieve with his behaviour - keeping them away.

If I were approached by an animal 10 times larger than I was, I probably would a bit fearful too.

You can spend a lot of time and money addressing a behaviour that is essentially one of self defence and all you need is one bad encounter to undo the lot.

Distance is easier to achieve. He can't aggress to the wrong dog if he never gets close enough. Accept the fact that he doesn't enjoy it and keep him away. Asking him to sit puts him in a position of vulnerability, especially when you can't control what the other dog will do. Walk him past at a reasonable distance (this also shortens the encounter) ask for focus on you and reward him for ignoring the other dog.

What you want is indifference.. don't trigger the aggression by putting him in positions where he feels he has to.

Dog under coffee table? Throw blanket over coffee table and leave her be.

How many of these dogs that freak out have access to a safe den such as a covered crate?

Elysia is healthy, probably pregnant too early to tell she goes for an ultrasound on the 28th (I think)

If her owner intends to go ahead and allow her to whelp, she's got a serious learning curve and a heap of money to spend.

How is her owner going to afford to whelp, raise, vaccinate and microchip a litter of puppies?

If I had to put money on it, I'd say JRT x Poodle.

Not bad to throw over the top of a big crate though if you are in a pinch for other shade, and will help a lot used that way, but agree it works best if you have more of an air gap and are shading more generally.

I will have to investigate getting a gazebo cover in it.. where'd you get yours Espinay??

I don't us it on my dogs or crates, but use it as walls on the gazebo during the hotter months and it works a treat. Really cools down the inside of the gazebo.

Agree. As it gets pretty hot to touch, I'd suggest keeping it a bit away from crates or dogs.

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I doubt it will attract popular support. We could also add "must be certified clear of all inheritable conditions that can be tested for". That would rule out a few current GR CHs.

I wouldn't support it because they makes the people who own one dog or bitch who never plaln to breed be ousted from the show ring through no fault of there own.

I have 3 Grand Champs all Multi BIS winners but i don't breed those 3 breeds i purely indulge in the joys of owning & showing .

Hardly 'ousted' from the show ring. Simply ineligible for another title beyond GR CH that says something about a dog's ability to produce quality progeny. If we don't care about breeding prospects then the neuters should be competing alongside the entires.

If people don't choose to breed, they simply don't apply for it. Some acknowledgement that a dog lives up to its potential as a stud animal can't be a bad thing can it?

I've got no plans to breed either but I think there are larger issues for the show scene than whether or not I can apply for a title on my dogs that requires a dog to produce champion progeny.

I have a friend with a GR CH that's produced 41 champion progeny... surely that's deserving of recognition. Who knows, it might encourage a few folk to actually allow their dogs to be bred and to sell a few more pups to show homes.

I find the idea of the finest examples of a breed not passing on their genes a bit sad really.

Run free big boy... one of the stars of DOL over the years and he had quite a fan club.

So sorry Grotty.

So can I take it that this is as much news to everyone else as it was to me????

Yep, but I don't consider myself to be on the cutting edge of developments in this area. ;)

I like what you're saying Poodlefan.

I doubt it will attract popular support. We could also add "must be certified clear of all inheritable conditions that can be tested for". That would rule out a few current GR CHs.

The idea that the conformation ring is the be all and end all of selecting breeding dogs is a nonsense IMO. If we're going to have bigger and better titles then they should have some kind of additional requirement. Be nice to see dogs that still perform a function being required to have a title at the other end of their names too. There are a few appitude/instinct tests at least that could be used.

Hi - I heard earlier today that apparently the requirements for a Grand Champion are being changed back to the old system and that there is going to be a new title called a Supreme Grand which will require 10 BIG or BIS (can't remember the details as it was a rushed conversation) - apologies if I've missed this elsewhere, I did a quick search but I'm completely useless at searching.

*snort* Do we REALLY need another conformation title?

How about this as a radical idea. No further titles or higher titles on any dog that hasn't produced the goods in the whelping box.

If a "Supreme Grand" Champion had to produce a minium of 4 titled dogs, it might shake things up a bit.

Whilst I agree that a higher title like that should require the dog to have produced the goods it does stand to create a problem...

It is VERY rare that I would ever breed a bitch more than once; I try to get it right the first time.

I don't often run on more than one or two puppies, I don't often allow puppies out into show homes.

Whilst a previous litter produced 4 Champions (from her one and only litter), it's more common for it to be 1 or 2.

I'm not going to then go and breed a bitch a second time for the sake of a title?

Then for bitches we set the numbers lower.

Hi - I heard earlier today that apparently the requirements for a Grand Champion are being changed back to the old system and that there is going to be a new title called a Supreme Grand which will require 10 BIG or BIS (can't remember the details as it was a rushed conversation) - apologies if I've missed this elsewhere, I did a quick search but I'm completely useless at searching.

Supremre Grand *snort* Sounds a bit like "double secret probation" (for fans of Animal House) Do we REALLY need another conformation title to encourage a handful of exhibitors to hunt more points the length and breadth of the country.

How about this as a radical idea. No further titles or higher titles on any dog that hasn't produced the goods in the whelping box.

If a "Supreme Grand" Champion had to produce a minium of titled dogs (more for dogs than bitches), it might shake things up a bit. It's more than a tad ironic that a system that supposedly is about selecting the best breeding dogs has no factor within it that actually tests that the dogs can produce the goods.

My guess is this pup will be full of worms.

Hope your friend can cope when puppy poos the equivalent of live spaghetti.

On the other hand they could be very healthy.

But here's the thing.. Fox Terriers and Poodles are VERY DIFFERENT DOGS.

Different coats, temperaments, trainability etc. The chances of this dog growing up to be the best of both breeds is not great. The chance of her getting characteristics of either breed that she's not going to like is quite good.

Hope she's up for a smart, super high energy, independent dog more interested in pleasing itself than her and inclined to be a bit of a scrapper. That's one potential result of this cross.

And as for what sort of coat it will have? Who'd know?

She has no idea what this dog will be like as an adult. I do think the odds of it being a barker are pretty damn good though.

Thanks everyone. I won't be charged for any more surgeries and the vet has been great. She has been in touch with a specialist, if we want to take that option, as well as finding out about blood tests to check for testosterone (to see if he maybe only did have one testicle). He is home and very quiet at the moment. He will be in for some sore and sorry days though and I am taking him back to the vet on Saturday so she can check and see how things are going with him. He has antibiotics and pain killers and we'll make a decision about which way to go when he has recovered from today. We will be making sure that there is nothing left, and there will be no risk of tumors relating to it in the future.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it, I really do :-)

How old is your dog? My dogs bounced through their desexing surgeries and in two cases the vet had to go looking for a testicle.

I have a litter due next Wednesday and am desperate for a dog from this cross (sure way to make sure it's all bitches of course!), if there's a top notch bitch I'm hardly planning on sending her to outer mongolia so I never get to see her again!

That's my point Sandra. Breeders generally breed to keep something for themselves. Buying from someone who shows where you do, you're likely to be up against the breeders pick pups. Its not any dirty dealing, just the reality of competing against the person who bred and picked what they wanted before selling on.

sigh where did I ever say that it was ok? I just said that's why it has happened to date "a combination of me, lack of supervision and absence of undesirable consequences", not that I was going to encourage or even allow it to happen in the future...

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But how does he know in a group of people the one that I won't mind him peeing on when he's meeting like 10 people for the first time...

And here:

I probably don't tell him off as much as I should - when you dislike someone as much as this (and if you have met me you'll probably have noticed that I like most people) and your dog pees on them well it's hard to be genuinely upset,

And here:

So no, I don't really care that my dog has peed on these people and that is the problem.

Perhaps if you seriously were concerned about the problem, you'd be on your way to dealing with it. Despite your protestations, the fact you really don't care is clear.

Your dog is not the solution to your problems with these people. Passive aggressive air punching when the dog "gives them a serve" is not the solution. Your dog is not a hero - he's got a filthy habit you need to fix. Stop anthropomorhisizing his behavior and take charge of the problem. Time to deal with the people and the dog. Start with not letting people you dislike into your home - that's what public places like clubs and restaurants are for.

If being around people makes you feel bad, don't be around them. You certainly shouldn't be subconsciously encouraging your dog to take steps when you won't do so yourself, particularly as this happens when you aren't there. What's to stop one of these people from kicking or punching the dog in retaliation? You've been given plenty of advice - time to stop talking and start doing.

Sorry, no idea beyond the poodle cross.

Why are you asking? I hope it's not because you want one just like it.

I can only offer generic advice.

1. Go to a big speciality. Its your best chance of seeing what's out there and who's got what.

2. Research research research. If you know the type you like, so much the better.

3. (Going against Sandra here ;)). Buy OUT of your area. The breeders in your area ain't going to sell you a pup that will beat theirs for the most part. Personally I think you have a better chance of getting a better dog outside your region.

4. Start with a male. It's a dog breed I think anyway but also it increases your chances of getting a quality dog.

5. Be very careful if you're signing up for co-ownerhip. Such arrangements can be fabulous or disastrous. Be crystal clear about who's obligated to do what.

6. Be prepared to have to work your way up. Its a very competitive breed with a distinct handling style and my guess and you may not get a world beater first time around. That dog will however allow you to develop contacts in the breed and demonstrate your commitment.

7. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open. Stay out of politics. It will catch up with you soon enough when you start winning.

They did have a look around, but ran out of time because they have normal surgery this afternoon. That's why she wanted him back next week. I'm still not keen at all and am wondering what the risks would be if we just left well enough alone?

The risks are testicular cancer and an entire dog.

I'd not be impressed about the vet not finding it but I'd not leave it be either.

There is always the possiblity that your dog only HAD one testicle.

Thank you for the advice re Dan - we will start trying to do this. If you saw it though - there are times when Dan (or whoever) is holding the food, issuing the command, and Sammy is just staring right at me, doesn't break eye contact. And I do reward him when he obeys Dan - once an order is given by either Dan or myself I expect it to be followed through. But like say we get home from work and Dan lets Sammy inside, he just runs straight past him and looks for me. He's been like this since he was a baby - I guess we bonded at about 3-4 months? and every trainer has just said it's a doberman thing - that they typically only work for one person so I thought nothing of it really until now. Don't get me wrong, he loves Dan and they have their beautiful moments, but what Dan always says is that he feels loved by Sammy but that Sammy is my dog.

Anyone who was at lure coursing the other day would have seen that Dan tried to catch Sammy at the end of the track, but Sammy always ran back to me (even when he couldn't see or hear me - he just goes back to where he last saw me).

Absent yourself. Its not fair on Dan or the dog to have you present if Dan is meant to be the one training. Loosen the reins and let your OH and the dog develop their own relationship. Leave the house, the area or whatever but don't be where the dog knows you're around.

I don't allow this if I take a training class. The trainer HAS to be the focus of the dog's attention, not other family members hanging around distracting the dog.

I'm getting that you kind of enjoy that the dog blows off Dan to focus on you. Picture yourself away from home for two weeks and you'll start to see that Dan also has to have an effective relationship with the dog. I'd also have Dan take over all feeding duties and half the walking (without you)

Costs order.. sheriffs.. enough said.

Don't bother. Seriously.

He ain't going to listen. We've had plenty of good example of that here. Closed minds aren't interested in learning.