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If not for her second post, I doubt anyone would have.

This book is definitely the poodle clipping bible.

Marley and Me was a book I couldnt' get through.. no way will I watch the film. I find nothing amusing about a dog that was supposedly stupid and untrainable and that was extremely destructive. The fact that he was loved and had an owner that stuck by him doesn't change that for me. John Grogan loved his dog with a passion but I have to say that I often wonder how well he understood Marley and met his needs. Labs like Marley aren't uncommon as young dogs. Had John Grogan joined DOL to ask advice about Marley, he'd have been given advice to find a better trainer, provide him with more stimulation and physical exercise. Marley weighted over 40kg?? Eep. I find the film a bit of an excuse to write such dogs off rather than try to modify their behaviour. I've never met a stupid Lab in my life. I don't find much to celebrate in the story. But that's just me.

Holy shite - my worst nightmare So sorry to read this. Run Free Brock - taken far too soon.

I'll confess I don't really understand how this will work? How can you reward the absence ofa behaviour?? If the dog barks for a few minutes (and few dogs bark constantly) then returns to the treat dispenser, how will that lower the rate of barking? And how will it assist households with more than one dog.

If they're still breeding purebreds, according to Shortshep they ain't.

I have a choice. My dog's don't. If I had to go without to pay for their care, I would do so.

How long has the Thoroughbred stud book been closed MM? ETA: I'll answer my own question:

Before you jump to conclusions about 'marking' also consider the possibility of excitement and submissive wetting. I'd recommed you do the greeting with Oscar outside and keep the dogs out of the house until they calm down.

The Flatcoated Retriever stud book, to the best of my knowledge, was reopened after WWII due allow out crossing to Golden Retrievers due to the very low FCR numbers remaining. Skyehaven and other FCR owners would know for sure. This, I believe, is the reason yellow FCR's continue to crop up in some litters. Can I just point out Shortstep, that none of the examples you've given to increase gene pools involve crossbreeding dogs. In every case, the dogs have been the same breed, but not registered. Finding working populations of an existing breed and adding them to the stud book is not revolutionary.. its been going on for years. And in every case, I'm guessing those dogs outside the register and allowed onto the stud books would then be considered as an unhealthy purebreds by the charity organisation referred to in your first post. Yay, NOT.

Agreed. If the landlord is not willing to provide secure fencing, you may well have legitmate grounds to break the lease.

1. Not all breeds have "tiny, closely inbred gene pools". Yet another purebred denigrating generalisation from you founded on misinformation. 2. Not all breeds have tens of thousands of dogs existing outside the registered stock. How will this help them? 3. How is taking a 'working Basenji" from the Congo and adding it to the Basenji stud book, any different to your Kelpie example. That is happening now. I fail to see the "real implications" of what is happening in the UK applying to every breed. The simple reason for that is they won't. I doubt anyone is going to stumble across 10's of thousands of native working Poodles any time soon. I don't have an issue with selective outcrossing or introduction of non-registered dogs to assist breeds where that is required. The key word, however, is "assist". Not all breeds require such assistance and not all breeds have it as an option. Stop generalising the approach taken in one breed to all breeds and much of my issue with your argument will disappear. And

The short answer to your question is 'potentially, never'. You bought a breed selectively bred for generations to be people focussed and being with you is what they live for. If you're living in an apartment, there is nowhere for Harper to be other than with you. Your partner is deploying so you are going to be the sole focus of Harper's life for remainder of his growing up phase. Chances are he'll become more focussed on you and you may even get some issues with your partner returning. I'd not be letting him sleep on the bed in your partner's absence and I'd be doing everything possible to broaden Harper's horizons with training, outings and establishing some doggy friends for him. I can rarely move rooms in my home without the poodles following me - that's how they are. ETA: Please don't leave him tied up outside the supermarket - its an unsafe practice.

Shortstep: Australia already has methods of obtaining such 'native' dogs registered in order that they may be bred to ANKC registered dogs. The Basenji is a case in point. AKC registered Basenji breeders have been visiting Africa to obtain dogs, returning to the USA and having them placed on the register. The fact that Ms Harrison isn't screaming about it in the UK doesn't mean that all stud books are 'closed' in the manner you suggest. And indeed, if you want to find more examples of Canine Control sanctioned outcrossing of breeds they exist. SSM has a desert bred Saluki.. and sh's ANKC recognised and registered.

The uproar created by any discussion of the concept of breeders culling pups supports your assertion.

Only if the solution settled on wasn't crossbreeding them (and I don't think it was). Anyone who thinks the health issues confronting pedigree poodles have been aleviated in any way by the creation of oodles is sadly deluded. I think there's probably evidence to suggest that its created a new range of issues for those dogs. I've never read anything about the kind of skin allergies in purebred poodles that seem to confront their crosses. And heaven knows breeding a big dog to a big dog doesn't resolve hip and elbow issues especially when no one's scoring the parent dogs. Ditto for PRA when crossing two affected breeds.

I agree that not all registered breeders are responsible breeders. Another issue for the purebred dog world is that not all purebred dog breeders are registered breeders. Some of the worst examples of purebred dogs don't have pedigree papers.

My guess is not a lot of "all purebred dogs have inheritable health issues" talk either. ;) What an interesting concept it is to see people WITHIN a breed identify issues and tackle them. Isn't that what I've been advocating from the get go in this thread?

The aim of the cangen list is to save purebred dogs. How the hell do you do that by routinely and universally crossbreeding them?

Can I just state for the record that any program of denigrating crossbred dogs to promote the interests of purebred dogs must be doomed to failure. Pointing the finger somewhere else will not change the issues confronting the purebred dog fancy and frankly paints pro-purebred dog people as a bunch of elitist snobs with our heads shoved firmly up our bottoms. Stick to the issues peeps.

I thinks more feasible (and arguably more desireable) to do it under the auspices of the ANKC than to create a separate advocacy organisation. Would that mean upping membership or donating for a dedicated, national media liason? It would be awesome (but unfeasble) if the ANKC had a national magazine like the AKC does. Whatever happens, its going to take money.

I thinks more feasible (and arguably more desireable) to do it under the auspices of the ANKC than to create a separate advocacy organisation.

Look in your fridge.. Devon, cheese, cabanossi are all good options. If you're feeding $30 a week in treats, you'll probably need to cut back regular meals considerably. Or totally.

Join the Orgcangen Genetics list where there are several Phd's in sceince who also breed native sighthounds and make your comments. Let them discuss it with you in detail, they are experts on the breeds, their heritage and use and their breeding history and they strongly oppose the current inbreeding pratices in kennel club purebred dogs. Have a chat with this fellow on inbreeding in salukies, Dr John Burchard, considered won the worlds experts on salukies , health and dog breeding. Look up some of his talks or work on breeding sight hounds and inbreeding. I listen very carefully to this fellow BTW. http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/ http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/belkin.htm http://homepage.mac.com/puggiq/V11N2/V11,N2Gentrification.html His work on diversitiy was even mentioned in some work being done on poodles in the same area of concern http://www.standardpoodleproject.com/Notes%20on%20Viability%20of%20Breeds.pdf You're now narrowing the scope of the discussion to "inbreeding practices". The topic of this thread was the fact that purebred dogs are unhealthy by definition of their pedigree status alone. Are you telling me that all knowledgeable Saluki people want to crossbreed their dogs? I'd have thought most would regard that proposal as heresy. Advocacy of lowering COI's is not the same as advocating crossbreeding.

Why? They are breeding stock. The term hasn't got any negative connotations for most people knowledgeable about breeding. Would you prefer to see them referred to as "pets"?