poodlefan

Howard went through this. First question: What do YOU do when Elbie does it? I managed to stop the zoomies by doing a range of things: 1. Taking Howie away from the class regularly during training and giving him a toy toss and retrieve - this helped him by allowing him to zoom away from other handlers and gave him a stress outlet. This has also worked for a few others I know. 2. Rather than standing or calling him (and failing to get his attention), I would bolt away (I was always the centre of Howie's zoomie circle) stopping Howie from using me as part of the game. Usually its just an outlet for a lot of excitement. The downside it that its a pain in the arse for other handlers. The trick is to give them enough chance to blow off steam when you allow it, rather than when they choose to. I also made sure I had really high value toys with me.. Howie loves his toys and will usually recall to them very well. When not training he is onlead immediately.

I'd be changing that too! Just do it. The dog will learn his new name fast enough - even faster if you reward him for focussing on you when you use it.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!! I have rescued a semi conscious aquaintance at the dog club.. her Boxer knocked her over and broke her collarbone.

What response are you requiring when you say her name? If you're putting it front of other cues, it's just white noise to her.

Ah forget it.

Forget that too. I'll take my tone elsewhere.

One broken wrist, one broken ankle. Two separate incidents. Neither involved my own dogs.

To want to bring a new dog onto the stud book two conditions need to exist: * a new dog has to be identified.. and not every breed has significant or quality dogs outside the stud book as is the case for some of the working breeds * there has to be an identified issue that requires resolution. Introducing new genes for the sheer sake of it doesn't always produce a better result, as Steve's ragdoll example illustrates. May I politely suggest that the 'attacks' in this thread have been on your ideas, not you. Suggesting that change should be done uncritically (and no one I see has suggested that some change isn't necessary) creates exactly the situation you warn against.. not all change results in "progress". I don't see any flat earth society at work here.. just folk who want to see evidence of issues before fixing a problem that may not exist. In a breed with thousands of individuals of fairly diverse genes in a range of countries, why anyone would want to bring a new dog into the stud book is questionable. Without identified goals and careful research, its a nightmare waiting to happen.

Salzburg!!! Want to come on a Sound of Music tour with me Feefs?? W hehe...oh yeah :D take me to the schloss & cathedrals & hills pleeeeze :D fifi Apparently you get to sing everywhere they did.

Do ADAA agility or move to NSW.. or petition Dogs Qld to make an exception for the 2 dog rule for rescues.

You're making an assumption that a dog outside the stud book has unknown parentage. That is not always the case, particularly for working dogs. What's the mode of inheritance for PL.. unknown? I'd have thought breeding from a dog without it would be the start point now??

Ditto and ditto. And same again for those who repeat buy BYB purebreds but want all the advantages that come with ANKC membership AND support from registered breeders for puppy raising.

That's a pretty common result at my dog club too.

I don't either under those conditions. However the notion that a dog without a pedigree is going to be genetically different to those in the stud book might bear closer inspection. Two limited register dogs would produce that now.. from within the existing gene pool.

They get two chances to learn from their "mistake" in Qld now.

Or, before he gets too big, introduce him to littlies who will teach him that they are not puppy play toys and need to be respected! My friend's RR pup was over the other night and spied an elderly poodle that looked like fun. After being fixed with a steely glare by said poodle, she decided that the Whippet was a better bet.

i.e. I understand why people on a purebred forum don't like Oodles/Crossbreeds (as discussed above), I was just trying to look at it from a dogsports point of view when the breed shouldn't really be relevant anymore so long as the dog is desexed etc. It's not the dogs most don't like but the people and the process that produces them. Breed isn't relevant for obedience and agility in any state but Qld... unless its a restricted breed trial.

What antipathy?

Shortstep: I"ll talk about this until the cows come home but I'd rather not be on the back foot from the get go. How about rather than making blanket statements about purebreds and health issues and proposing a one size fits all solution to the issue, you ask for thoughts and ideas about the subject and accept the fact that the issues faced by one breed may be different in another? You're going to know far more about Kelpies than almost anyone, but that doesn't translate to expertise in other breeds. People would be far more receptive to your proposals if you didn't start with the proposition that all breeds are walking congential disaster areas, issue solutions as edicts and use authorities like the other Gardener to support them. It's akin to starting a discourse with the police on crime control using Chopper Reid as your authority (although he knows way more about crime than DB does about dogs) and A Current Affair's hysterical stories as facts. Just an idea. You catch more flies with honey...

I have an oodle that I got from a shelter, and I also have a JRT x from a shelter. I had hoped to trial with both of them, but if I register them it means I can never again compete with a shelter dog, and I WAS planning on getting shelter dogs in the future as well. But now it seems the options are to either get a shelter dog, OR be able to trial. How is that fair? Or move to a more enlightened State. ;)

I have read it. In the response to the Bateson Report, I also noted this statement by the The Kennel Club. Perhaps you missed it? If you're going to tout the Kennel Club's actions as the way of the future, best you note that limitation on what they propose. No "across the board" system there that I can see. And strangely, that point is one that I and others have been making all along. Go figure.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"? You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog. But that has not always been the case. As in Qld the powers that be made the decission to allow them in. They could have easiely gone the other way. Qld is not the rest of Australia. Hell, they still think daylight saving will fade the curtains up there. If they've chosen to drag the chain for whatever reason, don't write the rest of the ANKC off as a result.

I never suggested you were playing the 'man' rather than the ball Steve. Like you, I know that we are more than our opinions and that disagreement should not be an invitation to personal attack. I have said in this thread and the other that the concept of outcrossing in and of itself is not a bad thing. Its SS's starting point that all purebred dogs must, by virtue of their pedigree status and that alone have health issues (and that open stud books are logical and necessary solution) that's got my debating this. Opening the stud books won't change a damn thing if the same features are selected for and a small number of outcrossed individuals become dominant sires within a breed. Sooner or later you get back to the practice that is allegedly the root cause of the issue - inbreeding. If a minimum COI was to be specified (based on rational, scientific research) and breed standards were amended to remove the "more is more" wording of some. that IMO would produce a faster, less risky result than outcrossing. These issues are complex and there is no 'magic bullet'. As I said before, we need to do more than take a blunt instrument to hundreds (and in some cases) thousands of years of selective breeding simply because someone wants to see ANKC and working breed registers opened to one another in their breed of choice. That is my assessment of what is driving this. Agendas always matter. If Shortstep wants all breeds to fall into line with what she sees as best for Kelpies then its only fair to point out that all breeds are not Kelpies and that what works for one isn't necessarily suitable (or available) for all.

Neo do you ever do any training while at the dog park.. you may need to work on getting your pup's focus at time so that he learns that "there's a dog" doesn't equate to "time for play" every time you see one.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"? You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.