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Agree. My first thoughts were Kelpie/Bull breed mix. Purebred! ;) They saw your friend coming. If you really want to know i saw a test on houndtv that could help it was called BITSA didn't catch the price sorry That test has been discussed here. On current results, I think DOL members visual ID's are more accurate. They're certainly a lot cheaper! ;)

Agree. My first thoughts were Kelpie/Bull breed mix. Purebred! ;) They saw your friend coming.

I'll waive my boarding fees for the Wonder Dog ... that should help. :p You should be paying me for that privilege anyway! Although, I guess I do owe you.... Anyway, unless you're prepared to foot the entire cost from the local Camera shop get out, I want some serious answers to my original question! ;) The only way I can practically assist with getting a 7D from a local camera shop would be with a brick. :D

I'll waive my boarding fees for the Wonder Dog ... that should help. :D

Care to contribute to the worthy cause :D I shall contribute the usual delightful photographic subjects. :D

FHRP's getting a new camera! ;)

How old is Oberon now PM.. I'd be very careful about doing this with a pup.

They look remarkably similar to Border Collies to me. They aren't AKC recognised.

The small leads don't have the same style clip though.

They do,but I picked the rainbow peace pals one!!! I liked the hotrod ones!

Yeah, I noticed that...although when I try to put them thrugh the checkout, it's putting them at fullprice Poo. You might have to ring them up. 1300 838776 will do....thanks for all the info!!! I was pretty happy with the styles,although not sure OH will wnat to walk Staffy boy down the street in the one I have selected for him!!! They've got camo haven't they?

Yeah, I noticed that...although when I try to put them thrugh the checkout, it's putting them at fullprice Poo. You might have to ring them up. 1300 838776

AHAH!!!! That's exactly what I was looking for!!!! They are 25% off at the moment too!

I never said or came close to saying it is just the breed. Nor would I. I am not dumb and I have observed a lot of people and their dogs. I know environment affects behaviour. Please don't insult me. That was never my intention.

Do you think that might be in part due to the fact that any young greyhound that displayed aggression to being handled wouldn't last long? It seems the further we take any breed from its original purpose and from very rigorous selection for breeding, the more problems creep in. Popularity, and its attraction of irresponsible, ignorant breeders, has long been the curse of some breeds.

Bite inhibition and bite threshold also have a genetic component. As you suggest, breed purpose does have its role in these issues. So many folk buy a dog on looks with no genuine understanding of its original purpose or likely characteristics. While pets can be bought on impulse from folk motivated only by profit, that ignorance will continue.

Why not just put a carabiner through the existing clip and use that? That way it will still swivel. The medium and large Tuff Lock dog leads have a carabiner style clip. Vet Products Direct sell them.

Argue away.. debating can be very edumacational.

The stats on what breeds are involved are so notoriously unreliable that most researchers discount them. Despite what you think, most people don't know what breeds look like and anything over 10kg that's brindle or red and that's not fluffly is a "pitbull". You need to move on from the breed issue Puggerup. It cannot explain how such severe attacks happen.

If you have a good look at the statistics, that's not borne out. Breed misidentification is alive and well. A goodly proportion of dogs who seriously harm folk arent' purebed either. Do your homework Puggerup.. the facts are out there. Right now you're voicing what the media report without critically analysing it. You might want to start by reading this. Please note the part where it says that in the majority of attacks, the breed of dog cannot be accurately ascertained.

Neither did this dog. But a Whippet is more than capable (if motivated) of inflicting severe damage on you. Lucky for us, that's not how the breed has been selectively bred and its not seen as an image enhancement for dickheads.

Do you think it's a myth completely (they don't exist) or just the prevalance of them? I think biddability and people focus can be selectively bred for but I've yet to meet a dog, for example that, recalls under any level of distraction and that hasn't been trained to do so. Obedient dogs IMO are the product of genetics and training.. in varying combinations. We all know (and studies show) that bite inhibition needs to be trained and can only be effectively trained in a pup. I think the high level of prevalence of very popular, supposedly 'tolerant' breeds like Labs and GRs in bite stats also reflects that people take that trait for granted in those breeds and in individual dogs. How often has it been said here (including by me) that a dog that is great with kids has been raised, not born, that way. You put even the most tolerant and obedient breed in the hands of those who indiscriminately breed, not selecting for sound temperament, whelp the pups in non-domestic environments, wean and ship at 5 weeks and sell to owners with no interest or inclination to socialise and train and you're begging for problems. And guess what.. that's what's occuring overseas and I anticipate will happen here. Happy, stable well adjusted family dogs do not do what this dog did. What I'd like to know is more about this individual dog, not just what breed or breeds it was.

Greytmate: I choose to disagree with you there Greytmate. The aim of the socialisation and training for different breeds may not be identical but the same effort is required. People who think Whippets are timid dogs (and that's a lot of folk) need to meet Howard my boy. He's outgoing, confident and friendly with strange people and dogs. The fact that I socialised the pants of him as a bub and keep that up is not a coincidence in my eyes. He was a confident pup but I chose to build on that, not take it for granted. If you want any chance of recalling a sighthound that has to be constantly practiced also. I've seen way too many dogs who people have failed to do work on because they believed that breed characteristics would prevail. The "naturally obedient" dog is the greatest myth of all.

Good general article on factors influencing canine aggression to people. Some discussion on breed as a factor Canine Aggression to People

Good point. I'll add it.