poodlefan

By licensing owners, by enforcing EXISTING registration and desexing laws and by educating people about how to buy and raise dogs. And by tossing the book hard at the head of anyone who fails to act responsibly as a dog owner. Starting now.

We can also make a step to stop the wrong kind of people having any dog. Frankly I think that would be far more effective, don't you?

Labradors have been involved in some quite serious incidents in recent years. When a dog of that breeding is involved, its written off as an aberation.

The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it. The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers. Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp. Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it. But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially. But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes.

yeah but it is a public forum and at least one media outlet (The Punch, part of news ltd) has linked to dogzonline saying that people are defending child killing dogs. A wholly inaccurate assertion and just what I'd expect from that style of journalism. No one in their right minds could defend what this dog did. Some of us just happen to think that its owner should bear the bulk of the responsiblitity. The dog will pay with its life (and this must be done). The owner - lets see what he has to say about where he got the dog from, how he raised it and managed it.

TD, the fact the society fears something doesn't mean that fear has any basis in fact. I wish folk could see that their belief is being manipulated by politicians and the media for their own agendas and for the most part with no real reason for that fear. I get that people are worried about large powerful dogs and their potential to kill. I share that concern. I wish folk would read past the headlines and hysteria and actually educate themselves about what makes a killer dog. The research is out there, the books are out there and the fact that most people with real knowledge of dogs and dog aggression don't support BSL should be telling you that something's smelly about the BSL solution. Which part of "banning dogs breeds doesn't stop dog attacks" are people failing to grasp???

Genetics IS important. But genes alone do not make a dangerous dog.

Frankly I think all dog owners (not just owners of breeds at risk) have a vested interest in ensuring that irresponsible dog owners are penalised for their failure to socialise, train and contain their dogs. Its their actions that see ALL of us subject to increasing restrictions and dislike.

Of those three (and I own two of them), I'd go the poodle - look at toys and miniatures.

Provided you caught it fast enough, absolutely. No point after it has been digested though.

An unregistered crossbred. Shall we go for undesexed as well? There's two breaches of existing council by-laws. Why in hell do we need more legislation when there aren't sufficient resources to enforce what exists now. Of course blaming the breed deflects that question and others very neatly.

I think it would probably be best for your dog's safety if you eat all the remaining chocolate in the house now.

Here's a chocolate toxicity calculator What kind of chocolate was it? Dark is the worst.

That was me before I bothered to educate myself on the issue. I wasn't as strongly anti as some but did believe the breed was inherently dangerous. I no longer believe it and share the heartbreak breed fanciers experience at seeing their dogs condemned. Looks like the dog in this case wasn't a pitbull at all. Won't stop the hysteria though.

And all on the basis of attacks that were largely NOT committed by APBTs. Geeze people could afford to learn from history.

Give them money. Don't make assumptions about what they might like and don't take from them the initiative on how they might like to be supported. This is not a rich family. A cash injection would be the best method of support IMO.

CEO RSPCA Qld is not an advocate for BSL. Sadly the same cannot be said for CEO RSPCA Victoria.

QLD saw the light in regards to this due to the actions of John Mokomoko and supporters, No others, some big noted on here in this site from a breed club but was insignificant in contribution. Blind freddy saw it but smugness was borne. Personally I think you should look to the CEO of RSPCA Qld for a fair proportion of the paradigm shift.

I don't have an issue with the original list. I would add Mini Schnauzers and Swedish Valhunds to the little dogs and English Springers to the mediums.

the thought of this brings me to tears I'll confess to feelings of despair that so many innocent dogs and loving owners will pay the price for the actions of the irresponsible. And that fear and ignorance will rule the day. Most Australians have never met a well socialised pitbull and are pushed to know more than a handful of breeds by sight. They have no direct experience in dog training, nor any direct experience with dog aggression. Their knowledge of dogs is limited to a few individuals and what they see on Australia's Funniest Home Videos (guaranteeed to make a dog trainer shudder) and the Dog Whisperer. But their beliefs will prevail. And the folk arguing for "deed not breed" will be written off as a bunch of pitbull apologists. Meanwhile those with what they consider to be "safe" breeds will smugly consider the world to be a safer place. And they will be wrong. Time to dust off the costumes folks.

What ever breed has status as the "tough dog", that's where the trouble will go.

I hate to scaremonger but IMO SBT owners should be f***ing terrified. Your dogs will be next for all the same reasons - bull breed with the capacity to attract the kind of owner that thinks a 'tough dog' will magically give them a longer penis. And so many pig ignorant BYBs out there prepared to sell them one or crossbred them with anything that breathes. If you have one with no papers.. be prepared.

FHRP has been asked before if her Hungarian Vizslas are pitbulls. Cos they're red and all.... God help us.

Simple. Round up anything with a big head, smooth coat and weighing over 18kg that isn't ANKC registered and kill the lot. Anything red or brindle will be first in line. And don't think it can't happen.

I cannot recall any attacks on people by APBTs in the ACT. Given that apparently they'll attack anything, I have no idea how this is the case. ;)