poodlefan

I'd like you to stop attacking me too.

Don't do it. We need another DOL martyr like we need a hole in the head. Let the OP's posts speak for her character.

My skin is thick enough. Clear breach of forum rules but I'm not going to report it. Never ceases to amaze me how folk who are quick to trot out accusations about others being the DOL hard arses are often the first to stick the boot in with a personal attack. Yet they believe themselves to be the nice guys around here. I've got some PMs from a few over the years that would curl your hair with the vitriol they've spewed. (Not talking about OP here folks) Its easy to be lovely and nice when everyone's agreeing with you. Nothing like a difference of opinion to get posters showing their spots. Happens all the time here. :rolleyes: FF: Thanks for proving the point made above. Yet another insult. Proof again PF. Closed minds too. And another.. you're on a roll FF. I'll let others be the judge of who's stepping over the line here.

My skin is thick enough. Clear breach of forum rules but I'm not going to report it. Never ceases to amaze me how folk who are quick to trot out accusations about others being the DOL hard arses are often the first to stick the boot in with a personal attack. Yet they believe themselves to be the nice guys around here. I've got some PMs from a few over the years that would curl your hair with the vitriol they've spewed. (Not talking about OP here folks) Its easy to be lovely and nice when everyone's agreeing with you. Nothing like a difference of opinion to get posters showing their spots. Happens all the time here. :rolleyes: FF: Thanks for proving the point made above. Yet another insult.

Thanks. We were very concerned about the gender issue which is why we were looking for a female. After checking with other kelpie owners (show and working line, on DOL and off-DOL) and also with breeders (show and working line, off DOL but recommended by DOLers) and they have confirmed that the gender should not be an issue for kelpie-coexistence - it will be down to the temperament of the respective dogs and everyone we've spoken to is aware that we have a dog already and that sort of dog he is. They are dogs KTB. No one can guarantee the adult temperament (in terms of dominance) of any breed pup. All Kelpies are not angels - just like any other breed. If you want to minimise the risk of conflict, pick the other gender. You're a pet dog owner who's unlikely to solve aggression between your dogs with your boot or a bullet. Choose wisely. You've already compromised on age, socialisation experiences and gender. That's not something I'd ever recommend to a future dog sports person.

:D For accusing me of being a troll and setting out to provoke people... so you have apologised to poodlefan, I think it was, for calling her a twit? I'm not holding my breath for that. :rolleyes:

Given that you already have a young male, I'd be sticking to that decision and waiting for the right female. I'm sorry but I don't buy this. Gender doesn't dictate dominance. Sounds to me like you've hit a breeder motivated to offload the last of the litter. This pup has lost 6 weeks of critical socialisation experiences. I'd be waiting for the right pup and getting one that's had the ideal start in life. Dont' make the mistake of buying the "right now" pup KTB. You'll have 15 years to regret it.

Most people are allergic to teh dander (dead skin that all dogs shed) rather than the hair. Some people are allergic to the saliva too.

Here's the thing. You don't have to if you are prepared to look hard. Plan ahead. Hit the "dog friendly accommodation websites". ETA: I own the Holidays with Dogs book too. Make calls to caravan parks etc. My standard spiel goes like this (phone or email) I will be visiting Oodnadatta on the nights of x and y to attend a show (or whatever). Could you please advise if you have any rooms or cabins that allow dogs inside. My x dogs (I name number and breed) are obedience and house trained, will have been recently bathed and I will not be doing any grooming inside. I appreciate that not all places allow dogs inside so a refusal of accommodation will not offend. Thank you. Yours, The Twit.

What a completely stupid comment Perhaps while they're at it maybe ban people who eat smelly food, hey :rolleyes: LOL i guess you havent heard of sarcasm before??? ETA But those of us who dont have kids sometimes wonder why the 2 legged little monsters are allowed and the 4 legged well behaved ones arent!! Because the law protects parents, not pet owners, from discrimination. :D

I am only responsible for myself...sorry to break the news to you. Don't blame me for anything to do with dogs and motels... Hey, I haven't even stayed in one! The point for me I guess is that people on this forum hijack threads in a very unconscious way and end up judging others for things that are not even reality-based. Look after yourself, look after your dogs and stop generalising. read my opening post and see what I was asking. If I get defensive and fight back then read some of the attacking, judgemental comments on here that have taken this thread in a stupid direction. How has this thread been "hijacked". All posts are on topic - most happen to disagree with you. Yes, dog friendly accommodation doesn't tend to be five star. Suck it up and do right by proprietors and other dog owners and take your dog where its allowed. Those of us who use it are bloody grateful that anyone still allows pets inside. Vinyl floors rather than carpet, and a lesser standard of fitting are accepted as part of getting a place to stay. I'm never going to approve of any practice that has the potential to decrease the number of dog friendly places to stay. People flouting the rules is one such practice. Yours unthinkingly, The Twit.

Did you read Ruralpugs post? "Pet friendly" places that have pet owners flout the rules become "no pets allowed". Every year this happens and those of us looking for accomodation on a regular basis notice it most.

You've said you don't have a problem with it - you're advocating FOR the practice. Are you reading the posts from folk who've seen how this turns out for everyone?

Or how about: Dick and Dora ring ahead to book a room. They advise that their baby Debbie is severly allergic to pet hair. "That's fine" Jane tells Dora, "we don't allow pets in rooms". They get the room FF and her perfect dog used. Debbie's play blanket gets put on the carpet but she crawls off. One ambulance call later, Debbie is treated for a severe asthma attack and Dora, noticing a few stray white hairs on the carpet collects them and advises Jim and Jane that they'll be hearing from the lawyers. But hey, no harm done right? It was only a little dog. :rolleyes:

Just keep telling yourself that. While you're at it, why don't you think of an adjective that best describes someone who disobeys rules because it suits them and doesn't give a toss about how their behaviour affects others. "Irresponsible" does it for me.

yep and when you'd like to stay in a nice motel especially in the middle of winter or summer and are forced to camp, because someone has screwed it up for you and the motel won't even accept a car with one dog or a trailer on the grounds. some owners are still very accomodating, but those are becoming more few and far between. ETA: sorry if we left any fluff behind LOL No Staffy or Whippet fluff noted. Its longer haired dogs I notice, especially those with white in their coats. My friends Cockers are the WORST.

I have the ability to think beyond my dog and my convenience. I make no apologies for that. I've seen how much dog hair is left by visiting dogs at my place. Unless you gladwrap your dog to take it into the motel or keep it crated, then hair will be left behind. I'm slightly amazed that you thought irresponsible behaviour of any kind by a dog owner is amusing or to be encouraged.

Frankly if people obeyed the rules and made it clear that they are taking their custom (and their dogs) to places that allow them, then the market will respond. Clandestine sneaking in of dogs doesn't help anyone.

All it takes is one irresponsible dog owner with one dog to see a place ban dogs totally. Happens all too frequently I'm afraid. Spare a thought for people with pet hair allergies who book into a room in good faith and then have to deal with the aftermath of someone sneaking their pet in. I travel to shows with one or sometimes two dogs. When I took all my dogs to agility trials I obeyed the accommodation policy. If you ring as many places looking for accommodation as I do and listen to owners/managers stories you'll know why Oakway and RSG are rightly pissed off. So many close their doors to pet owners because someone abused the privilege of staying somewhere that allows dogs on the premises. Plenty don't even do that now. Nothing "fun" about being turned away time and again because someone decided their pet was special and the rules didn't apply to it.

If the pup hasnt' had exposure outside the breeder's property and dogs, I'd be looking elsewhere. It doesn't matter so much if the breeders hold onto pups for a while but pups need to get out and about and see a lot of sights and sounds. Otherwise, you could be looking down the barrel of a fearful dog for life.

Never done it. If the place I want to stay doesn't allow dogs inside, I find another. Caravan park cabins can be a good option.

On her own territory, you might well get different behaviour. To be on the safe side, a male pup would be a very good idea.

I think you could head off a lot of potential issues if you chose a bitch this time. I would be separating the pup from the other dogs at All times at least initially unless you could supervise. Sounds to me like your younger dog is a resource guarder.

Absolutely. I've experienced dog breed owners at training who have no understanding of the function of their chosen breed and the characteristics that are inherent in it. One of the sadder examples is folk who buy Siberian Huskies "because they look like wolves" and have neither the knowledge nor the capacity to manage a dog of that type. Compound that by a factor of two or more for folk with crossbreeds with challenging combinations of characteristics. IMO these are becoming more common. Buying a dog on looks alone is fraught with risk - mostly for the dog.

We can't.