poodlefan

LOL so its ok for singles or childless couples to have to drug themselves to sleep. Apparently.

Oops double post.

Actually you suggested: Ah, that would be one of those areas with fewer jobs and long commutes. I find that a tad unrealistic. Moving doesn't solve the problem - it relocates it. Facts are TW that people exercise a non-surgical option for dealng with barking dogs every damn day. As a rescuer, you'd be all too familiar with how they do it - they offload the dog. So many dogs that are offloaded as problem barkers die. But hey, it sure beats surgically debarking them.

Given that you are on a dog forum, don't be surprised when people don't react positively then. You aren't the only person who has negative associations with puppy mills

TW: Article on the subject can be found here

Sorry but having to medicate one's entire family every night due to a neighbours dog is hardly a realistic option for sleep.

In some cases, that's called a bait. Shift workers who cannot sleep due to dogs barking all day every day, folk that let their dogs bark all night every night.. they are out there and there are laws that say such barking is not permitted. If as dog owners we fail to comply with the law then believe me there are those that will take it into their own hands and it will be the dogs that suffer. There are options.. and then there are realistic options. No it doesn't. If you are as profoundly against the practice of puppy farming as you seem to be (and so am I btw) can I suggest you change your name here? "Teacup" is a word beloved by puppy farmers and BYBs and no responsible breeder would EVER describe a dog in those terms. Sadly, those people have probably never lived with a chronic barker, never got threatening letters from neighbours, notices from council threatening to seize the dog or had a dog poisoned. I don't think you'd find many folk in favour of debarking as a routine method of dog noise management but there are some shocking barkers out there And again I question their relevance to this thread. Perhaps if you came up with a realistic option for the OP it might help. I'm sure she'd grab it. Are you aware that desexing INCREASES the risk of some cancers, of HD, of aggression in some dogs, of urinary incontinence.. I could go on.

Dogs aren't "inconvenienced" by their sexual entirity. People are. Dogs don't commit suicide when they are homeless. We've established places for the routine killing of homeless dogs. There is nothing "necessary" about desexing from a dog's perspective, especially in baby puppies. We do it to manage dogs, not for the benefit of dogs themselves. I'm all for responsible desexing of pets too but lets not kid ourselves that we do it just for the dogs. A complete ban on debarking is about as helpful for dog welfare as mandatory desexing of baby puppies. What may seem like a great general idea has the potential to be detrimental to the welfare of individual dogs. That's why I object to blanket bans on surgical procedures that have the potential to benefit some animals and to the compulsory early age desexing of all dogs.

Before posting your next response, I suggest you review it in the light of your earlier comment. I "bothered" for your information to read the entire thread. Your first post in it said: So in other words, you've generalised that debarking is bad because of your "negative associations" with puppy farming. I say again, the OP is not a puppy farmer so your generalisation isn't relevant here. I don't recall anyone asking for a graphic description of backyard debarking but am prepared to concede it may have happened. While we're all about "feelings" why don't you consider how such graphic (and irrelevant) descriptions weigh on the feelings of the OP who clearly is weighing up her decision and isn't considering this option lightly. The answer given by many in this thread is one I agree with. If other methods of management have been tried and failed, then surgical option to me is preferable to constant aversives via a electronic collar for a perfectly natural behaviour, to surrender to a pound, to euthanasia or to an irate neighbour harming the dog. That might be summed up as "when its in the best interests of the dog". Are you anti-desexing?

What puppy mills choose to do and what the OP is thinking of doing are hardly in the same league TW. We're talking about surgical debarking by a qualifed vet, not a barbaric job by some some redneck animal abuser. If your objection to the practice is based on the latter practice then perhaps you'd like to review that objection IN THIS CASE based on the fact that: * this is not the OP's first line of management for the issue. Less extreme forms of noise control have been tried and failed. * she is not a puppy farmer * the procedure, if conducted, would be done under anaesthetic by a qualifed professional * it sure as hell beats a bait. Sweeping generalisations are not more palatable to some folk here than rudeness.

Is she desexed? If so, at what age was she done? Hormonal incontinence would be my first thoughts but agree with Erny - a vet visit is in order.

OP has elaborated/modified information since first post Sandra. First post suggested pup was not happy inside and spent all time by the back door wanting to go out. She said: That's what I based my advice on.

Drontal + Proheart Monthly here.

He has ;) one in his :p wardrobe Although it's a larger keypad type one, maybe I will get him a small metal type, just big enough for say, two blocks of chocolate! Good Idea Poodlefan! Make sure he keeps it padlocked though - those Cavvies are persistant critters. ;) Dumb question of the day - any reason the chocolate has to be stashed??

Try getting council approval for those on your average urban block.

FF: DDs from petshops often cost MORE than purebred dogs from registered breeders.

Go buy OH a metal cash box to keep his stash in - that should keep OH and dogs safe

Actually, none of the dogs get paid.

Are you sure she's not a cat??

From Wikipedia: Side effects can be caused by prolonged use or overdose.

If your pup was born and raised in a puppy factory (which is highly likely given where you bought her) she may have had limited opportunities to socially bond with people in the critical early stages of her life. Her bond would have been with her littermates and looks like she's transferred that onto your other dog. If you want her to bond with you, that won't happen if she spends all her time with the outside dog. I'd not have an issue with her being outside during the day but its now down to you to do the hard yards to work on developing a bond with this pup. Take her to obedience training and spend one on one time with her playing games and walking. I'm sure you didn't buy her to be an animated garden ornament.. you need to make up for a poor start in life with extra care and attention now. If she is not sleeping in your room at night, I'd highly recommend she does so now - crated if necessary.

Are you talking about bute? Phenylbutazone has a range of potential side effects. Google it for yourself. As to the impact on your dog - I'd be talking to my vet although if it happened 5 months ago, I'd not be panicking.

Sounds to me like your pup is more bonded to the other dog than to you. Why can't the other dog spend time inside? On the small breeds outside issue - smaller dogs are more affected by heat and cold, longer coated dogs can get full of dirt and seeds. IF your dog has thrown to the CKCS side of the cross, her shorter nose will also make it more difficult for her to regulate her temperature in hot weather.

The easiest way to know if you're ready to trial is to ask your instructor! I asked mine. I also tell my students when I think they should give it a go. Sometimes it takes actually getting into the trialling ring to focus you on what you need to be working on. Stewarding is always a good idea. You'll have a much better idea of what to expect when your time to trial comes.

A&E: Criticising a persons dog is like criticising a person's children - just don't go there. If the dogs are well cared for and the pups will be responsibly rehomed, that's the best you can hope for. If not, save your breath - doesn't sound like they are receptive to your concerns.