Graeme

The original deal was that you paid a deposit. The bitch returned to the breeder for one litter. Then you were to receive your deposit back. Right? YES the breeder told you the bitch went to WA, had a caesarian, and was returned to her home state soon afterwards NOT TOLD BITCH WENT TO W.A You were rather amazed about that, and were discussing it/asking questions about it. You didn't believe the bitch was sent to WA? Were your querying that? OTHERS WERE I don't understand "she is not returning refund due to date of a call made at the time" CORRECT By "call", do you mean phone call? CORRECT Is she not refunding because you asked questions about the bitch going to WA to whelp? NO If your contract says nothing about where the bitch should whelp, the breeder, legally should refund your deposit. CORRECT Are you being punished for asking too many questions maybe? CORRECT Was the bitch returned to you in good condition? Do you have any concerns about the care the bitch received? Is your main problem not being given a refund? BITCH OK ... REFUND YES Unless the contract stated otherwise, the breeder could send the bitch to Alaska to whelp if she wanted to, without breaching the contract, or giving you any reason for complaint. If the contract stated that your deposit would be refunded when the bitch had a litter, you are entitled to a refund. CORRECT and I know quite a few people who sent bitches to WA to either be mated, whelp, and have the pups legally docked, and returned to their home state, without incident. I know a couple of breeders who did exactly the same thing, except it was to NZ. Now that docking is no longer legal in WA, many more will send bitches to NZ to whelp, and the bitch and pups to be returned. Many breeders are vehemently opposed to their breed not being docked. And if they feel strongly enough, and can afford it, they will send bitches away so they can have docked pups. I am strongly against some previously docked breeds not being docked. However, I did try it. I now have 2 undocked examples of a previously docked breed, and I am ok with that. Not happy, but ok. I have done the same with the other breed, so I have 2 undocked examples of that too. The second breed is a disaster with a tail, and as I will not be flying dogs to NZ, I will not breed that breed again. When I want another one, I will import one pupm, probably from NZ, as many breeders/exhibitors are doing, and will continue to do. Why are tails docked?

The dealings have been very odd with this breeder, that has interested others. The contract is for the bitch to have a litter and I receive my deposit back, she is not returning my deposit back due to the fact I had advice that no one would travel to WA to have pups and return after a Caesar within such a short period of time, it was suggested I contact others this is why she is not returning refund due to a date of a call made at that time. Sorry for the confusion

I do not know if the bitch went to W.A ....

Who do you report a breeder too? Are there governing bodies? (All PM’s strictly kept confidential)

Its just a general question no other litter involved. I honored my side of the contract.

You are correct, happy to discuss once I seek advise.

I own the bitch once she had a litter, its not about docked tails, interested to know if its cruel to the dog to travel after a litter and caesar. The breeder did not tell me the dog went to Perth and at that time did not know the vet so makes me wonder why. I was told a pregnant bitch can't fly, I understand your comments regarding car travel thank you for you comments. Breeder is not complying to terms of contract. And I ask again......did you have a written agreement? Sorry I forgot to answer. Yes I do. Were these so called "breaches" of clauses contained within the agreement? Did they specify that the bitch had to remain on the premises of the "breeder" at all times or that the puppies were, or were not to be docked? Did the agreement specify any payment? You should probably seek legal advice if you wish to take things further. The controlling bodies will not get involved in what they term a civil matter. Tail docking is not the issue. Sorry, I can not discuss the agreement. Thank you for your advice

Cruel angle, not at all. Within the breeding section I'm seeking advice. Yes I will pursue through other means Thank you for your advice

I own the bitch once she had a litter, its not about docked tails, interested to know if its cruel to the dog to travel after a litter and caesar. The breeder did not tell me the dog went to Perth and at that time did not know the vet so makes me wonder why. I was told a pregnant bitch can't fly, I understand your comments regarding car travel thank you for you comments. Breeder is not complying to terms of contract. And I ask again......did you have a written agreement? Sorry I forgot to answer. Yes I do.

I think the ANKC just the other day put out the new rules about dogs being sent to WA to whelp and be tail docked then returned. Check the ANKC site for details. Thank you

I own the bitch once she had a litter, its not about docked tails, interested to know if its cruel to the dog to travel after a litter and caesar. The breeder did not tell me the dog went to Perth and at that time did not know the vet so makes me wonder why. I was told a pregnant bitch can't fly, I understand your comments regarding car travel thank you for you comments. Breeder is not complying to terms of contract.

Sorry, I own the bitch under breeder terms it was to have a litter.

Sounds a bit suss to me, why didn't you know that your dog went to Perth? And surely the breeder would know the name of the vet, presumably they had a bill to pay? Or did the bitch and puppies go to another party for the procedures? If so, then I think there was only one vet in WA that was performing docking so it wouldn't be too hard for a person to find out which vet it was. What's the problem anyway? Provided it was done before March 16th, the procedure is legal. If the bitch and puppies survived the travel and docking, then isn't it a bit late to be crying over spilt milk now? I was never told the bitch went to Perth, The breeder told me the people that took her to perth were not back at that time and she would tell when they arrived back, now she will not say who it was. The bitch went there to have pups turn around and come back to Vic I can't find the person that does the tail docking. Not crying over spilt milk, woundering if it cruel or normal practice.

There where a couple of vets & the breeder would now where they where they had it done as they would have the paperwork that would have been handed out with each puppy as the paperwork had to be submitted when the pups where registered The breeder told me she did not know who the vet was until the party returned, I find that weird. I was not even told that the my bitch was sent to W.A

I was not told that my dog went to Perth The breeder did not know the name of the vet that performed the surgery

I don't know who it is (but could probably find out). However, haven't the new rules for WA come in to take us in line with the other states now? Ptolomy and Bedazzled, brilliant photo Hi, I know the rules have changed just interested to know who as the breeder did not where she was sent to

Not so much the tail docking issue as it has been done prior to this date. Interested if its cruel to transport a dog that just given birth to 8 pups and had surgury 3-4 days travel back to vic in summer temperatures?

I was told one vet in W.A who has done docking anyone know the name of the vet?

Is it considered normal practice to transport a pregnant bitch due within the week to W.A to give birth due on a Friday and tail docking pre booked on the Monday. I was told they were born on the Sunday, a caesar was performed as last pup was known to be dead, tail docking on the Monday then returned by car back to Vic say Thursday?

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