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Though I do think individual owners should decide the best thing for their pets... I disagree with this statement. Making your dogs sick means return visits and more money. It certainly is in a vet's interest to keep you coming back. Most vets these days opt for doing health checks and preventative treatment which ends up with more profit IMO than actually treating sick dogs..... Much better mark ups on chiropractic treatments than there are on surgeries lol. Also making dogs sick might be good for business in the short term but dead dogs and word of mouth does tend to kill a business pretty quick. Also making dogs sick regularly probably would mess with a vets mental status so even on a personal sense it is in the vets best interests to not make her dogs sick ;) So I think KTB probably has the right of it. Several practices I have seen have actually treated anything thought to be 'vaccination' related for free, so really, making the pets sick actually works out as a loss. Not to mention no vets like to see a sick animal, they see enough of them in a normal let alone try and add to them on purpose. I don't use the yearly injection, but I can understand vets reccommending it for many dog owners. Not all clients are as dog savvy/keen/enthusiastic as DOLers and forgetting monthly is easy. I write it in my diary but I have been late on giving it to them in the past, and my dogs mean to absolute world to me, let alone a dog owner who isn't as passionate and may just have a dog who hardly leaves the backyard. I honestly can't get over the mentality on DOL that vets really don't care about their patients though.

Four weeks old today and 1.3kg. :)

We ultrasounded Ruby to confirm pregnancy early on, then had several more during her pregnancy to make sure she was on the right track. If we hadn't of done the final ultrasound, we never would have known some pups were dead and another was dying. It gave us the opportunity to opt for an early ceasarean to remove the live pups as it was likely they would end up dead too if left in too much longer.

I can imagine that would be the case Lindsay! I was watching your posts on the Breeders forum and was so sorry all the other little ones had not made it I love the looks of Ruby and it must have been heartbreaking for you not to have a heap of tiny Ruby's. The little one is going great-guns though and will be your ❤ pup. Thank you Boronia, little Rosie is incredibly special and going really well thankfully. :)

Mum and I worked out that with all the problems we have had, Rosie (for those that don't know, the only pup we got from Ruby's two litters) cost us $5000 so far and she's only 3 weeks. For one puppy. That won't be sold. :laugh: Not to mention the time taken off work, the petrol to and from the vets, the numerous sleepless nights.

Thank you Alyosha! Sorry for hijacking your thread Seita.

Yeah, our vet said to wait until the ABs were finished before starting on Protexin! :laugh: Rosie was similar, she was pretty early and by caesarean so Ruby had very little milk so we used Impact then on to Wombaroo. Ruby's milk finally came in and she had the start of mastitis in four so on to the antibiotics she went. Ruby is fine now, and apart from the runny poos, Rosie is doing well. How much would you give the pup, and how often?

We are in a similar situation with our one and only bub from Ruby. Ruby has just finished her antibiotics and pup is three weeks old on Thursday and has somewhat runny poos. We have Impact here, we were going to get some Protexin but would you use Impact instead at her age? Before the antibiotics, pup was constipated.

Awwww very cute Hawksdale! :D Our little munchkin is growing up so fast, she's walking and has her eyes open and we finally decided on a name, and it was one I suggested for a change. :laugh: She is going to be Rosie. :) She will be the first Rozebridge Irish Terrier, and hopefully she has a rosie future ahead of her.

ETA: Don't worry, just saw your thread in Show Ring! :laugh:

Lost Gracie (Border Terrier) at 7 years due to a snake bite. Lost her the day before Christmas last year. Maizie died in an accident at the breeder's when she was only two years old in November last year. Miss this girl like crazy. She was so special and taken way too soon. Bridget was an Irish Terrier who was PTS at 14 1/2 years to kidney failure. Lily was a Staffordshire cross who died at 6 from a lung infection that didn't respond to any treatment. Zsa Zsa was a Bull Terrier cross who was PTS at 5 due to heart failure.

Yes! It'd be great if they came out again! 'All I see are dead ears!' "What's with your ears?" *flap hands around your head* They were the best judges ever!

Congratulations! They are very cute! Puppy is doing well and getting fat now. Ruby had a bloody discharge when we expressed milk from the four cranial nipples (puppy likes the back ones best) and so she's on ABs for the moment. Vet is happy with the puppy, and Ruby is showing no other signs of mastitis. Ruby's breeder came around again today and is happy with the baby's progress. We are starting to feel like MAYBE we can give her a name now... We just have to decide.

Hey Sheridan, recognise the man they were talking to? :laugh: Loved the Irish Terrier!

Woah ok that's pretty amazing :) Yep! Our little one was only 158g born! I was talking to another Irish breeder and she had a litter with four pups under 100grams each! They all survived and are strong, healthy adults now. Made us feel a little better about our little munchkin. I think she needs a name, we have discussed Hope and Tuffy so far but Mum doesn't want to name her yet incase it jinxes her.

Congratulations Indigirl! Her pups are all bigger than our one was at birth! :laugh:

So sorry MM.

How is your baby girl doing today Lindsay? Good, still putting weight on. She's getting more from Ruby too. She was still quite constipated today and the warm water trick didn't work, and she was sooking and not settling on the boob well today so we popped her over to the vets, who gave her some electrolytes and something to relax her belly a little (I'm not sure what), and suggested upping the water in the supplement. The vet also gave her a thorough check and everything else is looking good. :)

Updated pic from yesterday. Fixed the pooping issue too, a small amount of warm water enema on suggestion of the repro vet and a nice big poop followed.

Up to 152 grams today from 144 yesterday. Is it normal for it to take quite some time to get her to defecate? Ruby is ok with getting her to urinate but I don't think she's getting her to defecate. It's taking me ages to get her to go and I think it looks a litte dry. We have upped the % of water in her supplement.

Thank you Mjosa and Hawksdale! The DOLer Ravyk was amazing and dropped off some fenugreek tonight! Baby is finally putting some weight on from this arvo and evening and she's got a fat tummy now. We have been topping her up with wombaroo after each feed and it has made a difference. Mjosa - I have been doing some reading today of some of my breeding books and reproduction text books and have read the same thing about weaning early. Ruby is showing more and more interest and is toileting her and acting much more 'motherly' than previously, thankfully. :D

Looking forward to puppy pics of them. :)

We can't source it near home anywhere but we have found a place that might have it and will give them a call and go down and get some tomorrow if they do. Her 2 caudal boobs are developing better and the last four all seem to be producing more milk. She's maintained her weight the last 24 hours but has hardly put any on yet and isn't back to her birth weight. I hope so, right now it feels like we are getting no where! Cute! Do you know how many she's likely to have? What colours are you expecting? I love the range of colours Iggies come in, all the best with her!

I adore terriers and I hope no one took my post to mean things it didn't. I think the right terrier in the right family home is a wonderful match and my childhood was filled with memories of growing up with terriers. I think you have to be a special kind of person to truely appreciate a terrier, and from the sounds of the first post, this family doesn't say terrier to me. ETA: Aussie Terriers aren't a terrier breed I have had much to do with, but they sound like they may well be suitable for this family. My post was mainly in response to the suggestion of a Fox Terrier. RosieFT - apparently everything small, white and brown is a Jack Russell. :rolleyes: A well bred Jack is a gorgeous little dog, but there's so many BYB ones with crappy personalities and health issues. Rosie sounds like a lovely dog to live with, our Ruby is on the mellower side of the terrier spectrum and is quite an easy dog to have around, however we know there's plenty of Irish on the other of the spectrum too, Mum's first Irish that we had when I was a kid was a very full on dog and wouldn't suit many families, the Irish Dad had growing up was smack bang in the middle between the two. I am always hesitant to suggest an Irish to someone who couldn't cope with the more full on end, especially those getting a puppy rather than an older, retired dog, as their puppy may well be on the full on side.

Thank you Shelby. Ruby is on antibiotics but the bub isn't on anything. She doesn't like the front two nipples, the other 6 all seem fair game but she does stay on the caudal ones longer each time. She's stronger again this afternoon and her body/head ratio is looking a bit more normal. :laugh: