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If the dog is not ready for the exercise just tell them your dog is not ready and don't do the exercise. Tia was doing the confidence course at club and on the mini dog walk, they wanted me to bend over her and the instructor to bend over her, I just didn't do it, because I know that can make dogs nervy doing that. Then they started forcing a dog into the tunnel. At the start the dog was a little nervous by the time the instructor had finished it was terrified. Once the instructor had gone, I lent the girl a tennis ball and put it into the tunnel, and the dog was racing through. I won't wreck my relationship with my dog to keep the instructor happy.

In our team we have one guy who runs right up to the start gate, makes my dogs slower on the return because all they see is a dog and handler blocking their exit. Your times are very fast. Here is a link of my ball obsessed dogs. I am enjoying this nice friendly discussion. Found this great flyball training page, has videos of turning methods etc, developing tug drive. http://bckennels.lunarpages.com/Turns.html

Thats great BCNTC. That hilarious that he just wants to win. I love it. When I was training Moses, I did a fair bit of work on tug, but he still loved the ball. He would tug when a ball is not around but as soon as a ball appeared he wanted it. I think because he is a retriever, that is his favourite part the retrieve. With Tia she just loves to tug. Much easier to teach her to tug than any of my other dogs. She will also tug even with food around. With Moses if he can sniff food forget about tugging. I did lot of different drills with him, but didn't really work until I discovered the rat. This links works sometimes you just have to keep trying, but it is working 2 mins ago. http://ravenscliffe.blip.tv/file/155252/ At one comp in Albury I saw this labrador ran to the box and then run over a jump and saw a ball left behind from the previous dog, it sat there for about 5 minutes juggling the ball, it eventually brought one back, was hilarious to watch, and nobody knew which ball it was that it brought back whether the one in the box or not. Question for you BCNTC, I noticed that the couple of videos I have seen from the USA you don't tend to see many people yelling and running with their dogs towards the box, or is it that I haven't seen many videos. Whats the most common style of release?

Moses and Josh are exactly the same the ball is the highest motivator. But I search and found that Moses loves those toy rats. You could try one of those. I knew a staffy that loved a foot ball. With Josh at one club I wasn't allowed to throw a ball as a reward when he brought the ball back and as a result he was a 8 second dog. Switched clubs and they let me throw a ball the other way, and he sped up to being a 5.5 sec to 7.0 sec dog, huge improvement. But you cannot throw a ball the other way in a competition.

Moses loved the dogwalk. He runs so fast on it, I can't keep up with him. Because for the first 2 years of his life if he wanted to go to the otherside of our back yard he had to cross a plank that went over the creek, we now have a bridge.

Will he run to a tug? What I would do would be as soon as he has run around the pole, I would run the other way as fast as I could with my back to the dog to get more drive and speed. Another hint I found with the feet on the board is that is the dogs feet are a little wet, not soaking wet. You can then see where the feet have landed on the turning board. How high up they have landed. Its great you have someone to help you out. Someone has offerred me some classes at their house with Tia, which will be great when she is older. A mistake I made with Moses is that he loves the ball so much that he will do the turn and stop on the box in the middle of the turn with the ball in his mouth and look across to the other lane, to see if the ball is still in that box.

I have checked the link and it is down, but it wasn't down before. You have to be quick. Shoemonster thats looking great. Here is a plan that I used to teach Moses Swimmers turn. You put a jump in front of the box to get the legs up high. Today I made a perspex jump to put in front of the box, for Moses to remind him not to be lazy. This way the dog does not know if it there or not. Makes the dog jump higher on the box, I stole this idea from the team that has the record in Australia. Here is a plan, to teach swimmers turn, you can substitue a pole for a cone. Teaches it in little steps. http://www.k9station.com/turns2.htm Just a thing about youtube, people can take your videos and put them in their blogs. I found one of Moses stealing a sock off my husbands foot in some guy's blog about sock fetishes, hilarious!!! Here is the link to my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNSbZqCDIFw and here is the site where it ended up http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...766a9cbf-e8b9-4 I wonder where Tia's sheep herding video will end up, probably with someone who has a sheep fetish in New Zealand

I think you posted the wrong link?

Here is another good clip, very fast. http://ravenscliffe.blip.tv/file/155252/ I have in the USA that they have air conditioning on inside? During racing. The stewards sit very close to the lanes.

I think the surname maybe SPICER? I am also doing some herding training at KCC park the same weekend, with the Aussie Shepherd club. Going to take my video camera along, so if you want to me to video your dog herding let me know. Thats if the presenter doesn't mind.

I have been teaching Tia to catch a ball, so when it zings at her face she will know. She only retrieves a ball for food.

Thanx heapz for that info, great to pick your brain. Because I was wondering how it would work, that a dog is trained to run to the box and do a fantastic turn. Then suddenly the ball is in the box, wouldn't the dog just ignore the ball? I will be doing some more picking of your brain in the next coming months. She loves her tug toy, and I can even pick her up and she still tugs and growls.

Someone subscribed to my youtube channel and I looked them up and here is video of their toller in a field trial. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=huntsmantollers

I think I forgot to add in my post that you can use any photos out of my photo buck album. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v205/twobigfeets/Tia/ There are even some herding ones, swimming ones too.

Very well done thanx for taking the time and effort to do it. What software did you use?

Okay flame suit is now on, bring it on. Err Moses is not the only dog I have trained. I have also trained Josh in flyball, and obedience. A German Shepherd, Sheba and a golden Retreiver, Hymie. If Nova is so smart how come it took 3 years to teach flyball?

With the cone method, I actually take the cone away, and just have the dog jumping over a little jump placed next to the box. What I like about the cone method is that I can train it without someone else. What people in NSW are doing is using a perspex clear jump in front of the box, and at comps during warm up all dogs have a run to the box with the perspex jump in front and then it is taken away. Someone commented on flyball harnesses making dogs go faster, I don;t really think it makes any difference. How do you train the dog to retrieve the ball for a tug? Tia will only retrieve for a food reward, if I get the tug she won't even retrieve as it is her highest motivator.

I think I will be the only choc and white border collie so you should know who I am. I don't bite, so feel free to come up and say hi. My nick name is Jules.

I have to work 5 times as much as most other people to produce the same result. I cannot talk to the breeder as he said to me he is not a dog trainer and the dog is a product of your training. (doesn't really help that answer). But herding seems to come to her really quickly so why fight an up hill battle. Just go with what the dog is good at.

To do flyball your dog can be any breed and does not have to be registered except if you want to compete or do AFA sanctioned demos then you just register your dog with the flyball people and get a number. I have done bits of everything with my dog and doesn't make any difference. Moses knows that when there is agility equipment out he does agility, he knows when flyball equipment is out he does flyball, he knows when I stand upright and walk with a purpose we are doing obedience. I have also done a little bit of tracking with Josh. With Tia may just do herding, as she is not the sharpest tool in the shed. You just go with what your dog likes. I am putting Moses in a Rally O comp at Croydon on Sunday, have never even done a Rally O class.

Worked for me straight away.

How do you use a knee?

At the Mary Ray seminar Moses went to do the 2 on 2 off at the end of the see saw (I don't use it for See Saws) but he missed getting his back legs on, because the see saw had already gone up, but tried to back up and put his legs up in the air. They told me it looked hilarious. Once at Croydon he missed his two on two off and without me saying anything, he went back to end and turned around and did it (I had back chained it).

What is Rhonda Carters method? I am thinking of teaching contacts with Tia, to get her running under hoops and doing a drop at the end of the contact. Drop is natural for her anyway. Will be taking her to Action Dogs in a couple of weeks.

The chinese eyes thing happened at Geelong obedience trial. But this was when the rules first came in. At Geelong in one CCD ring they were marking it out of 10 more points than the other CCD ring!!! But I let them know about it.