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Maybe one day during the week have a DOL class for a couple of hours to make it worthwhile? As with Jess, I am also looking for more places to train by myself (no instructor), so am looking forward to what you come up with!

Just wondering about the exercise requirements. On the Dogzonline Breed Page they are listed as only 3 paws out of 5 which I would assume is moderate. Would you say they actually require more? The breed page needs to be changed a bit. Tollers are a very active breed and I personally wouldn't recommend any less for an adult dog. However if you could provide mental stimulation instead of physical exercise every so often, that shouldn't be a problem but it really does depend on the dog. I have one boy that needs to be exhausted pretty much every day otherwise he is very vocal. Barks at the smallest things My youngest boy though is a quiet boy and adjusts to the amount he is given, but would run all day if he could.

Make a call like what? You can see alot of dogs in half an hour (well an hour if you want to include both days ) Especially when you see things you really don't like and move straight on. Mmm tempting, very tempting. I've always liked the whites. Is there any shows coming up (in Victoria) that there will be alot of them at?

I have previously said in this thread that I don't like how they look, I prefer "moderate" looking dogs nothing that is overly exaggerated. Don't deny that. It can be found in GSDs, just obviously not at a National. Too be honest I stayed only half an hour both days because I couldn't stand it anymore. What is the point of the dog being able to run if they can't even stand without hocks touching or being able to walk normally? Wouldn't say the GSD breed as a whole are unsound, certainly some specific lines aren't helping the breed at all and IMO some of those lines are what I saw on the weekend. I didn't go to the show with an preconceived ideas about the breed, I have no experience in the breed, but I certainly left with the knowledge that I would never own a specialty bred GSD.

That is correct, however several people were invited to the show specifically because of concerns of most dogs exaggerated features as was raised in a thread not too long ago, not necessarily to begin a show vs working line debate. I was hoping to go and see some sound dogs as was promised too be there but was met with weird and horrid hindquarters. The fronts of most were beautiful, gorgeous heads, strong and solid forequarters. The two together is a weird combination and too me, the dogs looked best sitting! I don't necessarily mean to debate/argue with breeders/exhibitors, but I was told to come down and have my views on the breeds unsound back end put too rest by viewing some of the best in the country. It's sad that I was horrified at what I saw and what breeders and judges think are the apparant ideals of the breed. Congrats on your win Pockets, regardless of my views, it is an awesome feat too win over 45 bitches in her class and then win reserve challenge at a National especially with such high numbers.

Structure I think, was the wrong word. I wanted to see why there was so much carry on about "roach" and "curved" backs etc. etc. Unfortunately the experience wasn't favourable. I don't know anything about the GSD standard but I personally wouldn't have gone for most of those dogs there to do any sort of dog sport. I did offer to his breeder that I would be more than happy to take him home then and there, that's how much I loved him. Hopefully I can get one of his pups in a few years I took a photo of him on my phone just to show everyone, he was beautiful Pity Erny you couldnt make it, it certainly was an eye opener. While all the dogs and handlers were friendly and polite, no denying that, I just couldn't get past some of the dogs hocks touching while they stood naturally and the weird walk of some of them. It could be because in my breed cow hocks are a bad fault and I have a "moderate" breed.

Was that before or after points for neuter classes was introduced? As I was under the impression that any class that had points offered was compulsory?

I went to the show yesterday and today. Without bringing the thread down, I was pretty disappointed in the dogs. I can see why some people are concerned with their structure as this was the reason why I went because in another thread was told I should go and view the dogs. I ended up getting the number of a breeder because I fell in love with his working line GSD boy

Thanks for the info. Didn't realise secretaries have to send in their schedules so early. I was only thinking a month or two and they knew it was coming in effect 1st July so was wondering what the go is.... Will patiently wait then till I see them offered!

So I am aware of the new neuter class rules that all dogs entered to receive points towards a title starting July. Are all clubs obliged too now offer a neuter class? As points are too be awarded I thought it was a 'must have' class or can the organisers of shows still not offer the class? Just curious as I just received my May catalogue with July/August shows in there but none offer it, plus I have a desexed male who would love to get back into the show ring Sorry if the reason has been stated elsewhere, I can't remember what was really happening.

What sizes do they compare to in the Cuz's? I buy them medium Cuz's so would medium in the Isqueaks be fine?

Can I order 4 mediums please?

What size are you after? On the off chance of you having any mediums left can I get a couple? If Fordogs doesn't want them that is!

I would pull her up and restart. Let her know from the get go that the trial ring is not a place to forget her 'manners' Given that you have trialled alot your nerves should be fairly calm and even if they were bouncing everywhere it's still a good time to reinforce listening to what you say not what your nerves are telling her to do. Following through this practice is what is hard for me too do though, I tend to forget all my good reasoning when I trial and am in the ring

Yep! I agree, I couldn't show one of my dogs when we were competing in sports basically every second weekend. Darcys perfect weight and fitness for sports made him look underweight and malnourished in dog shows! Plus it's not good when we are directly after Labs, I had my first show last weekend in a few years and comparing some of the gundogs weights to the ones I saw at a Gundog retrieving training day I went to recently, there is no chance any of them could cope with a run to a dummy and back without being exhausted!! Don't care if I offend anyone but some dogs in the show rings aren't heavy boned as people have tried to convince me but are fat.

When does the entries actually close? Are baby puppies eligible to compete or is it like the Melbourne Royal when there is no class available?

From a registered breeder not listed this year sometime. Hopefully will be a little bitch puppy to show and eventually get into breeding

I am with PIA as well. I had been looking at doing it for ages and had heard really good things about PIA. As yet (thankfully) I haven't had to make a claim but I have the highest cover on both dogs (15k with $500 excess) so my opinion may change!

I saw her there too, and wondered if she was one of yours. Gorgeous little (well..big:P) girl. Congrats

I have sent an email to register. Look forward to seeing some Dolers there, I am bringing the Toller in my avatar so will be pretty distinctive

Is there really that many jobs going as a security dog handler? I've seen a few of these posts pop up and I wonder if it's a worthwhile venture for people?

Bendigo is probably too far Looks like its between, Monash, Craigieburn and Sandown. Thanks for the replies and PMs!

Thanks BB The semen will be fresh, and I've had a few people PM about a Dr Woolley (sp?) Is that who you are thinking off?

Have my answer for my other question so: Ohh can someone recommend a vet who is experienced in AI, S/SE of the city? Or just anyone really if you really recommend them! Thanks

I would be interested in private consults as well.