joelle

OKaaaayyyyy to simplify this for me, My girl is 9 weeks old and was vaccinated with C3 at 6 wks. My breeders vet advised her to suggest to us newbies to get another C3 at 10 weeks (4 weeks later) I really do trust my breeders (and her vet) advice but my vet is so against it. After speaking with her, I felt like I was shortchanging my dogs health. My breeder (and I ) have heard that there are many strains of KC and the vaccine only covers 2 strains so why would you bother? The chances of your dog catching the particular strain that the vaccine does prevent are probably relatively slim? Soooooo, do I get C3 at 10 weeks and thats it or do I introduce a C3 at 12 weeks and another at 16 weeks.I have spoken to 3 different vets and all say different and are sure they are right and the others are either wanting to make more money or (the other side of the fence) simply dont care enough to prevent the diseases...Its not hard to see why a simple pet owner can get confused Also if I ever need to board my dog, is it true most of them require proof of C5 vaccination?

Geez, Sometimes I think we are happier when we remain ingnorant... :rolleyes:

hi serket, rosie had her first one while still with the breeder. So I am deciding between doing just a 10 week or 10 and 16 weeks.....

thanks for all the debates / opinions etc guys. Way above my head at the moment but I will go back and read all replies later. Some very interesting discussions

Starainais, Without sounding rude I would have thought that is obvious, I can go to whichever vet I choose. I am trying to choose a vet based on lots of different advice whichI would have thought ws a good thing..... its all very interesting....Lucky I have week to decide I dont mind paying for the three vaccines, I hope that hant come across in my posts. I just want to know if it necessary or precautionary....... ETA I mean over precautious, as oppose to necessity

Were those animals tested after the puppy vaccines to ensure they seroconverted, though, or are we just assuming they became immune to parvo after vaccination and then lost that immunity subsequently? I doubt anyone will ever design and conduct the perfect vaccination study, but I've seen several large studies that strongly suggest vaccines tend to protect dogs for at least three years after their full puppy vaccine schedule, and haven't seen any good studies showing that adult dogs can lose their parvo immunity after showing a protective titre. Joelle, I agree with Cavalier that you should go with your vet's advice, they know the local conditions, and they know how to use the drugs that they're prescribing. If you don't trust your vet's advice, then get a second opinion from another vet - not from your breeder, who is probably well intentioned, but doesn't necessarily know much about vaccines. My breeder is going on advice from her (very reputable) vet So which vet should I listen to? Mine is local (and probably reputable, , hers is 30 mins away. SO how do know which vets are in it for th emoney and which are in it for the dog. Hwo can two vets have such differing opinions.

I guess I should have added another option. This is what I have been told too, but my vet is indicating that I am not doing the right thing by the dog not to vaccinate against kennel cough, they said they do it to "err on the side of caution" but apparently there are 13 strains of kennel cough and the vaccine only covers 2 My breeder advised me to have a C3 at 10 weeks (She has already had her first one) then thats it til 12 months. but my vet wants a c5 at 12 and 16 weeks. Is it really all about the health of the dog or the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ yep this is what my breeder is advising - give or take a week or 2

C3 or C5 ?? I have heard idfferent views, C3 at 6 weeks and 10 weeks and thats it.... C5 at 6, 12 and 16 weeks... What do you go for and why??

thanks I thought it was but will closely supervise at all times anyhow. he woud have been de-sexed whether he liked her or not. I just didn't want to take any uneccesary chances.

Thanks for the replies guys. It is for castration stitching which he had on Tuesday so its only 2 days, but he seems very much back to himself now. Ill take it off under supervision for short times. He hates it Jake struggled with my new girl (not aggressive, just ignoring her and tensing himself - which is prob quite normal for an older dog and new pup) so I thought de-sexing would help. (I know I was lacsadasical....... should have done it before she came home and I kep saying I would but it was honestly no bother having him entire, no marking, no dominance, I always intended to have him done before Rosie came home but work, kids etc, I just kept putting it off ) Anyhow he is done now and all seems good..Ill take off the collar in the yard when Rosie is having her nap in the crate. Arty .....My goldie is in the goldie thread, Eta here she is............ her name is Rosie and she came home last Friday. 9 weeks old on Saturday.....I have no battery charger and no USb cable for the camera that does work. Im off to get one today I was looking at the November meet and Im hoping to make it. Ive been wanting to come for ages with Jake but I always seem to have something else happening! Saturday mornings are no good for me, (thru summer) my sons play t-ball. Ill have to limit the dogs I bring, I have 2 here, 1 at my mams, 1 at my sons and 2 at my brothers who are all part of the pack! Only the 2 here belong to me but together are all their own little pack

Hi, How long do you need to leave the E collar on after an op? Is it right up until the stitches come out? If so, can I take it off for a few mins, my boy is going mad to scratch his ear and can't. I have been doing it for him but am obviously not reaching the spot.... ETA Are they easy to get back on is what I am really asking.......

Hi If you really want a lab, it can be done is long as you are aware of what you are in for. relatives of mine have a 10 month old lab and a 14 month old baby and no crate The adults have researched the breed and are raising a well balanced, pup ad child that so far are getting along very well without mishap I agree with others re pet shop / health /money makers Good luck whatever you decide to do

Im getting my pup in 5 weeks and I have already got a photo album of her! The breeder sent birth, 1 week and 2 weeks photos. I am visiting this week and will take my own 3 week old photos. My breeder will send me weekly updates until I take her home. I will also receive a puppy pack with dry food, a list of other foods she has been having. I have received links to puppy training info. All very helpful.

Yes I forgot, involving the kids in training and feeding her will allow them to learn how to interact positively with Scout and also help them to keep above her in the pack ranking. Good Luck.

Hi Cassvan, I would be supervising all play. Role model and explain to the kids that Scout has to be calm before allowing them to play together. Teach them other games like fetch etc. If the play gets excitable from any party, intervene immediately and go back to calming everyone. Hopefully because the kids and pup are young, the play sessions would be in short bursts anyhow. It may be hard but it'll be better in the long run teaching the kids and the puppy how to play together. Good Luck. ETA let the kids still run wild flapping etc but do it when Scout is indoors

I agree - vet. That doesnt sound like just a lost tooth and cut to me Im afraid!

That's true. Charlie is like that. Now, he can jump on and off the bed himself and the weather is getting warmer, he usually likes sleeping on the floor or in the bathroom on the tiles. He is always up on my bed again around 5am for a little extra snooze and our morning cuddles. Slightly off topic but still pertinent to night time training. When I got Jake (now 2) he settled in the crate no bother, toilet trained easy didnt cry - perfect boy I am getting another pup in 7 weeks and will use the crate method again. The thing is, I cannot remember what else I did in the middle of the night with Jake He got up to toilet but then I think he just went straight back to the crate without fuss. Do any of you play with the pup to tire him out, or deliberately avoid stimulating play in the middle of the night to promote healthy sleep patterns? I can see both sides of it.

We had a dog who was car sick. We used to sit in the car with him but not go anywhere then he progressed to going to the end of the drive a few times a day, then to the end of the road a few times etc. He eventually could travel anywhere. This may be more relevant for anxiety but maybe worth a try.

The difference between dog trainers is really quite vast. I personally wouldnt use a choker, but I have seen professional trainers using them and really yanking dogs. I didnt go back to that school BTW. DOnt know if she did it to pups, but there were pups present at that particular school. Very confusing for new dog owners wanting to learn the best way for them. eta the first line reads like Im a dog trainer --- I am not!

Id agree with most and say bullmastiff x gorgeous! Lots of naughty 'breeders' out there, i got conned myself. Im just glad you love NJ and arent too disappointed!. If he is going to be a big boy, let him grow slowly, ie just enough food - not too much and same for exercise while his joints are growing and developing. I have a large girl; that I was told was staffy x lab - she is more like a mastiff x and is 45 kgs - some bloody staffy mix I say luckily, like you I loved her anyhow, but have learned heaps on here so welcome! Ill have him if you dont want him, but I bet ill have to fight hundreds off eta I too, have kids and my big girl is fantastic with them, make sure to include them in the training regime and pack order.

I am not sure that leaving "it" with your brother for the night was a good idea. In your previous post, you said that Kaine is just starting to get better with his whinging after 2 days. This is because he had started to settle into a routine. He was getting to know you and his surroundings. Now you have disrupted this by sending him to another strange place, with strange people, who don't even really want to have him there, just so you can get a nice long sleep. Not really fair on the pup, in my opinion. New puppy owners should be prepared for some sleepless nights. It comes with the territory. Julie I must admit I agree. Maybe your brother could have arranged his schedule to spend more time helping puppy settle in his new environment. We know in advance (usually) when we are getting a new puppy and a few days hard work in the beginning is worth hundreds further down the track.

so sorry for your loss, he sounds a delightful pal.

He/ She will now be remebered as Leo. I feel worse for calling a dog IT, so Leo the lion it is. bravest little dog I ever met.

I have posted in general about my sad experience tonight. I just wanted to remember the grand old thing here too and let him/her have some dignity. :D I have borrowed this poem from the eulogy section, I hope thats ok I have changed a minimal of words and added (he) as we are unaware of the sex. The old dog I am talking about deserved a better ending. goodbye beautiful baby, run free and play forever, your pain is no more. The old dog felt the worn and tired muscles relax and the pain dissolve. She /he drew in a long, soft breath and relaxed a little more as the familiar, loving scent of the people, filled the lungs. Memories of them rushed through the brain and warmed the heart. "A collage of happy images and tender days." She/He felt their soft touches against her fur. Their hands sent a tactile message of their gratitude and their love. She/ He felt the warmth atop her/his head and neck and blinked and saw their faces streaked with tears. "Don't cry for me or feel sad." She/He heard them as she/he shut the eyes. They said "good dog" , through their pain and sorrow. In her /his mind, the tail wagged to tell them that she / he heard. And understood. "Good bye, my Hearts." He/she is standing in a meadow, near a stream. The sky is fiercely blue. She/He hears the song of many birds and smells the growing grass. The legs are strong. The eyes are clear. She/he begins to walk toward a brightly colored bridge, far off on the horizon, but pauses for a moment and looks back. "Thank you. Until the day we walk together once again." Turns and wags the thick strong tail and runs. And runs.

Just on the agility, my local one has a puppy foundation class. they take them from 12 weeks. no jumping though, and it is mainly to train the human! also to lay the foundations.