Andisa

You should be fine if your using a light weight fibro trailer. My car is a Manga V6 and towed my trailer ok. But my trailer is an Alpaca float built to my specs. I wouldn't use a small car to tow my trailer. Ed: caus I can't spell....

I have always fed wing to dogs. Never had any problems at all. We have an elderly 3.5 kg Maltese, a 7kg 1 y/o pug, a 47 kg 3 1/2 y/o Rottie and her 10 m/o 37 kg daughter. All eat wings every week and never have any problems. As for quantity, the malt will eat 1 -2 depends on what else he eats, the pig um pug, will eat the same as the malt plus extra (not as much as she want though ) and the Rotties will eat 3 - 5 depending on what else is in the bowl. All dogs would gladly eat as many wings as they could, I feed other raw foods with their wings. I have fed pups from 5 weeks on chicken wings and never had problems. I do sit with the pups while they are eating just incase.

Keep them separated for at least one month and all should be fine. That said, some bitches have longer cycles and will need longer still.

OOOhhh Looks like I will have to get myself another set of clippers. I like the pink ones. They will go well with my Champaign KM2's. I like the Wahl KM2 too. They are comfortable to hold and use and they don't get hot with normal use. If the dog is very matted then I will have 2 sets on the go so they don't get hot. I found the Oster got hot fairly quickly making them uncomfortable to use. I only use them for back up now. When I was mobile they got knocked around a bit, I am now on to my 4th set of KM2's.

I am hoping that my 9 1/2 m/o Rottie has just gone through this. She was a real bugger for pulling clothes off the line. I have only just started to trust her with the line again. So far so good. I tried to keep an eye on her when she was younger (I had her sister here too until they were 8 m/o) but the little buggers would wait until I went inside - just long enough to make a coffee. In that time they managed to pull half the washing off the line. Luckily for them very little damage. I think they were in such a hurry to pull every thing off the line they didn't have time to actually wreck anything. I usually lock her away until the washing is dry or turn the house into a Chinese laundry with washing on the clothes horse (x 3 of them). Windy days are good for drying the clothes but way too tempting for pups to leave it alone. Lately I have been leaving her out when the washing is on the line. I lock her away when I am putting it on or taking it off so she doesn't see me do it. Some how I think if she doesn't see me touching it then she leaves it alone. I have watched her go under the line and sniff the washing, but that is all she has been doing now for a little while. Fingers crossed, I am hoping that she is over it. If the next load of washing is pulled from the line I will blame this thread for it.

Ok I thought I would add some photos too. :D rinse tank [R]. Door [L] This shows the insert to raise the small dogs to save your back. Large wash tank. Umm it could do with a bit of a scrub. If you have the bath with the drier built in, I would be worried of one broke down. You lose both while sent off for repairs. I have replaced the both motors in my drier (I have a spare drier) I would have been stuffed for a week without a bath while the drier was repaired.

Just fill it up with the hose, no need for connections. Turn the heat on and wait for it to warm up. Or if you get a non heated one you will need to add hot water yourself. If you empty it down the drain make sure you put a bag on the end of the hose to catch the hair. Last thing you want is someone having to come out to unblock it. They are very simple to use, you will wish you had one years ago. You can buy non heated, but will either have to cart hot water or have a small hot water unit fitted near by for it. The non heated baths are heaps cheaper. The heated models are more portable, if you want to move it you can. if you fitted a hot water unit you will not be able to move it around unless you make some changes. Mine is a heated twin tank. The wash tank is a good size and the rinse tank is huge. I can rinse out 3 - 4 small dogs depends on their size and coat or 2 Rotties. Make sure you get one with a big rinse tank, some are only small and will not be able to rinse the shampoo out properly. Mine is not an automatic fill, I add what I want so if I only need a half tank then that is all I am heating. To swap from wash to rise - just turn a leaver. Open the drain to empty. Just remember to turn it off before you empty, you don't want to burn out the element(s). Hope that helps. :rolleyes:

Both Dobes that we had were "mouthy" not in a bad way, just playful. Ours were not snappy though. One was trained to smile by her previous owners. It was a weird feeling I got to admit until you knew she was just Smiling. My parents have a farm, when ever anyone came in for directions we would hear the car doors open and shut pretty quickly, followed by lots of tooting on the horn. I guess that most people didn't know what to think of a large Dobermann greeting them with a lovely smile. Her whole lip lifted up one side showing her lovely pearly whites. It was an impressive smile. The other one used to very gently hold your hand. She would nudge in for a pat and just hold your hand in her mouth. Again, weird feeling until you realize that she was just being smoochy. Both dogs came to us as adults, we knew the history of the first one but the 2nd one was from an add in the paper. Beautiful dogs, not a mean bone in their bodies. Both girls were never aggressive, they were wonderful dogs. The 1st Dobe was incredible. She was trained so well, I swear that girl knew every word we said, she was simply amazing. It been about 30 yrs since the 1st Dobe and a good 16 yrs since the 2nd one. They were such beautiful dogs. I would be concerned if he is snappy when she is telling him to do things or walking away from him. That is completely different to what ours were like.

I have spoken to the rep and will be stocking this product soon. I am in Narre Warren. Vic. If anyone is interested feel free to send me an email. (please no pm's as it is almost full) If this is not allowed to be posted on DOL then please let me know and I will remove this post asap.

I have been using Natural Balance with a raw diet for the past month or so. I have used both Eagle Pack and Innova - Evo before I got the NB. I am happy feeding it. I have been feeding straight raw diet for the past 4 - 5 yrs and only started adding organic dry for about 4 months now. I was looking for something extra while my Rottie pups were growing, the raw didn't quite do it so I thought long and hard about adding any dry. I am very happy with this decision. I may drop the dry all together once the pups have stopped growing. I don't know how long I will feed it. I did prefer the Innova - Evo but just hated buying it from PP. That's why I swapped over to NB, I heard good things about it and gave it a go. I will stick with NB now.

Deleted. This has nothing to do with the original post so I am withdrawing it. I am not interested in where this is going.

I did not ask about using one on my 7 month old baby, I only said that I am open to learn more about them if I need to use one in the future. I did not start this post, it was started by someone else wanting to vent about people being rude while he was trying to sell one. I have talked to others about them in the past. But not with you. We have talked about other types of training methods though. Like any training tool there are pros and cons about them. I was simply trying to learning more about this type of collar as the topic was here.

Why the need for this on a public forum. I only said that I was open to learn about something.

Hmm, I have just popped in to this thread to try to get a better understanding about the prong collars. I have a young 7 mth old Rottie bitch who can be very strong. If I walk her on my own she is very good, but if I have another dog with me being led by someone else I have a hell of a battle until half way around the block until she settles down. Not my idea of having a nice peaceful walk. Since you have used the horse / bit as an example I am now even more set on learning about using a prong. I need to get this girl to settle on walks with other dogs. I had horses for almost 20 years. Most of them I used a soft snaffle bit, Tom thumb or an egg butt. 2 of them took me ages and heaps of money to find the right bit. I did not want to go to a hard bit as I thought it was too cruel. But the reality of it being that the horses were bloody dangerous if I could not control them properly. So I ended up going with a portmouth pelham with chain. (both straight and curbed - with and with out players) You name it I would have tried it. Exercise had nothing to do with it as my "short rides" were usually around 10 MILES, when I had time I would do anything from 10 - 40 MILES sometimes much more. I was doing trail riding in those days so everything was fit including me. The horse that caused me the most grief I kept for 15 years, he only got the message when he was getting into his golden years. So if I am to think of a prong collar on a dog like I would with a hard bit on a horse, I am all for the prong collar used correctly, as control is vital. Now I am going to go back through all the posts to learn more about something that I thought was not a nice tool to use on any dog. Only now I have a different understanding about how good a prong really can be when used correctly. ED: Ok Read it all and I am open to learn more on the prong collar if I need to use one in the future. How about some good old fashioned obedience done at least twice a day. Prongs are illegal in Vic and for F***sake she is a baby. Perhaps you missed what I wrote, so I highlited it. I only said that I am open to learn more about them IF I needed to use one in the future. No where did I write that I am or are using one on this 7 month old bitch who yes is soft in temerament. Again, I only said that I am open to learn more about them. I don't even own one. Yes this is a young bitch who still has a long way to go, I am not strong enough to fight a strong dog half way around the block until she settles down, I have injuries that she will worsen if I am not careful. I have come a long way with this girl as you know. I still have a long way to go with her as you also know. What ever happened to educating people before attacking them. I only said that I am open to learn about something.

HMMM> Last time I was in here this topic was a hoot. What happened? :rolleyes: I was going to go back to find out but I figured it's not really worth it. hopefully next time I pop in I will have another laugh. ;) Cheers everyone.

Hmm, I have just popped in to this thread to try to get a better understanding about the prong collars. I have a young 7 mth old Rottie bitch who can be very strong. If I walk her on my own she is very good, but if I have another dog with me being led by someone else I have a hell of a battle until half way around the block until she settles down. Not my idea of having a nice peaceful walk. Since you have used the horse / bit as an example I am now even more set on learning about using a prong. I need to get this girl to settle on walks with other dogs. I had horses for almost 20 years. Most of them I used a soft snaffle bit, Tom thumb or an egg butt. 2 of them took me ages and heaps of money to find the right bit. I did not want to go to a hard bit as I thought it was too cruel. But the reality of it being that the horses were bloody dangerous if I could not control them properly. So I ended up going with a portmouth pelham with chain. (both straight and curbed - with and with out players) You name it I would have tried it. Exercise had nothing to do with it as my "short rides" were usually around 10 MILES, when I had time I would do anything from 10 - 40 MILES sometimes much more. I was doing trail riding in those days so everything was fit including me. ;) The horse that caused me the most grief I kept for 15 years, he only got the message when he was getting into his golden years. So if I am to think of a prong collar on a dog like I would with a hard bit on a horse, I am all for the prong collar used correctly, as control is vital. Now I am going to go back through all the posts to learn more about something that I thought was not a nice tool to use on any dog. Only now I have a different understanding about how good a prong really can be when used correctly. ED: Ok Read it all and I am open to learn more on the prong collar if I need to use one in the future. :rolleyes:

I think they call it a "frog mouth" opening. I have one but I use the bum bag instead. It holds more stuff. :rolleyes:

That's interesting - I hate them, I find them really good until they need sharpening. My clipper sharpener pushes them all the time, raves about them. I have 2 straight scissors and 5 blades that I don't use because I don't like them. He tells me that all the groomers swear by them. I tried again, but I hate them. If your after lower price the Wahl are good, if you don't mind spending the extra Mars, Jaguar are better. There are several more I am sure that others will name them. All depends what your prepared to pay.

Personally, i hate it. I then write a note for them asking not to write me anymore notes. I don't need a note to remind me to do his nails and to instruct me to leave him long coz it's winter now. I tell them if they want the haircut to meet specific requirements then go somewhere where they let you stay with the dog so they can oversee every snip. Sorry, i'm really touchy about this. I basically think it inferr i'm an idiot. The last groomer I took my dog to must totally hate me as I made sure he followed the instructions given to me adding ' Please I would like you to follow these instructions and for her to look like this'. I had photos to show him as well. Hi tosca, for me your case would be understandable. An afghan isn't something a lot of groomers would do everyday. I'm more referring to being presented with lists like "face rounded about 1cm shorter graduating to 2cm around the ears, nails done but not dewclaws, don't make him look like a poodle" , (well he's a bloody schnauzer for starters!) THAT sort of thing. Or they come with a picture of a show bichon and want their westie cross to look like it!! Yeah, that's it, that's what I meant - most people have neer even seen a Norfolk, let alone groomed one - that's the kind of list I meant, i.e. no clippping or cutting the coat, etc... When I do find a good groomer, and they don't know how to do one, would it be obnoxious to print out the grooming guidelines for Norfolks from the club website and take them in? If it is a breed that the groomer is not familiar with then it is a good idea to give them as much info on how you want it done. After all if they don't know then how do they know what it should look like. If I get one I don't know I make it clear that I don't know and will show them a couple of grooming books and we go from there.

You should be fine either way, I have both but prefer the double sided.

I use Wahl too. Mine are double sided.

I'm sorry to go off topic. But OMG!! I wouldn't have been able to stand by and watch this. I'd have smashed the window, or called the cops. They will come straight away and smash a window, I've seen them do it a few times. Some people have nfi do they. (not you Lisa M, the owner) We have talked about this many times since and we should have got the cops involved. Since the RSPCA was called we thought they were going to handle the situation. My OH did keep an eye on the dog, (as best he could, he was working in an office in the city) had it seemed stressed then he was going to get the cops involved. We assumed that the dog must have been checked in between the times that OH saw it since it was not stressed. On a legal side though, if he had broke the window and the dog attacked him or escaped he would then be liable for the damage and the dog escaping. He never had anything to restrain the dog.

:rolleyes: I bet you that most groomer are the same. It is laugh or cry with many of the dogs we see. It's fun comparing notes knowing that we are not alone. Report cards are a good idea, at least it's not in one ear / out the other.

Oh how did I forget this pearler. (since I am on a roll) FLEAS. When the client knows bloody well that the dog is RIDDLED with fleas and can't be stuffed doing anything about it. After all lets face it dogs have fleas. When I confront them I am promptly told - yeah I know why do you think he is here. :eek: The silly buggers think that a flea wash will solve all their problems. I do have a bit of comfort reminding them that the whole house and yard will need to be treated. I have killed the fleas on the dog but it will be in the same condition as soon as it goes back home. I suggest treatments hoping they get the message. When they are repeat offenders I thank them for the flea infestation that they have knowingly cause at my place since they don't care to treat the dog. I then refuse to allow the dog back into my place if it is not treated next time. You should see the horror on their faces when I tell them that the dog is likely to be infested with worms since it was so burdened with fleas, and it would be a good idea to stop off at the chemist as well as the vet as you will need to treat yourself and family for worms as you will have the same problem as the dogs. :rolleyes: Years ago I would never have been game enough to say half of what I wanted too. When your facing all sorts of unnecessary horrid situations you don't care about offending those who caused them.

Is there any chance you could send that to me Silverblue, I know many people use them, but didn't know what I should include when typing it out. It would be very nice to have. I would appreciated if you can. Lisa.