Andisa

Yes it is an odd question. No. if I did I would have said so up front. Clear, transparent. Which is what I did - you clearly misunderstood. One thing I have learnt though is either write in capitals and or bold it where it matters the most or not reply at all. Sorry to the OP for this thread turning to crap - clearly not my intentions.

awww - look at them all, looks like they vary in size which is to be expected with a big litter. Check out the boofer on the right.

Your welcome - keep in mind though it is just a guide - some dogs are better do'ers that others. Mine are very good do'ers and need to keep an eye on them. Too many bones will make them fat, I have fallen for that many times with my dogs, go by eye and feel and you will be right. There is more I need to update hopefully one day it will be finished. :D

Oh what a big litter of puggies - congrats Puglodge, looking forward to lots of pics :D

Congrats Pap :D

If it has been a while then I think you will find a huge difference in her coat by getting her done properly - take her to a DIY dog wash and do her yourself or get someone else to do it for you. If you can grab a handful of hair or rub your hands all over her coat and get heaps of lose hair, then she needs a good going over - might need a couple of goes a few weeks apart to do her properly.

For the texture to change that much you can only guess how much the product had to change for it to be so noticeable. Not only does it contain so much linseed that it coats the poo in such a way it looks to have been rolled in linseed the smell has also changed. I do not trust VIP pet foods and could not continue to buy Dr B's Barf. My dogs did not like the new Dr B's Barf and they were itchy - putting that down to the excess amount of linseed because they never had a problem with it before. I was a distributor of Dr B's Barf for several years and this decision was not taken lightly but was necessary. Not only were my dogs not happy with the change but customers who had been purchasing it from me for many yrs were also not enjoying it either. I told some how to make it themselves when supplies were difficult and to feed holistic dry food - or wait. Those who waited have been much happier with the change over to Big Dog and so are we. Agree with everything u have said Andisa!! As other have said there is always two sides and the side we got direct from big dog... puts Br B in the silly section so i guess we wont know the answer... We will soon be stocking the big dog and will not be feeding or selling the dr b's i still think the world of him as a vet and what not but the change in these paties makes me cringe :S Its raw meat and my boy WILL NOT TOUCH it he just hngs out for his bones and is dropping weight... at 15 this is just not good enough... clients have also noticed the change and have boxes of BARF that isnt being eaten and are pissed to say the least that there money is going down the drain everynight Funny about that as my stockist cannot get enough of Dr B's - it flies out the door. I'v had to wait on several occasions for the next delivery and ask them to hold it for me. They also sell another "Barf" product, not sure which one it is, but it doesn't sell anywhere like the Dr B's. My dogs love it and I've got a fussy eater. Nothing funny about it, just because some dogs are not keen on it does not mean the product should be removed from every shelf freezer. My comments are mine and I don't expect anyone to stop feeding Dr B's Barf nor have I suggested it, if your dogs are happy with then please stay on it. I am sure you have changed products in the past for the same reason I have - same thing. As I said earlier - there are more options to feeding barf - that is a good thing. Erny - where is your broken record when I need it? I changed products for reasons stated (lots) above. Please anyone who cares - feed what ever you want to - what ever your comfortable with..

Hi Westiemum .... I know Andisa and in all my contact with her, food and its quality is very high on her agenda. Thank you Erny - yes we have had many discussions on raw feeding and you do know where I stand there * was looking for the "like" button - been spending too much time on facebook.

my post #16 I was a distributor of Dr B's Barf for several years and this decision was not taken lightly but was necessary. Not only were my dogs not happy with the change but customers who had been purchasing it from me for many yrs were also not enjoying it either. I told some how to make it themselves when supplies were difficult and to feed holistic dry food - or wait. Those who waited have been much happier with the change over to Big Dog and so are we. I thought it was clear enough - my mistake if you missed the highlighted bit. I can assure you westiemum I had far more invested in being a Distributor with Dr B's Barf than what I have with Big Dog Barf.This decision was not made easily but it had to be made. ETA: I offered to keep selling the DR B's Barf but I was told by those who were buying it they were not interested since their dogs were off it too - just like mine. Why would I keep it if I could not sell it or use it?

And Big Dog has green tripe as well as Turkey added to their varieties. There was something else added too and I will have to find out what it was. I am sure those who have continued on with the new Dr B's Barf have already asked what new changes that was made..oh hang on a minute. Apparently there was no changes, then there was. If you want to know you will have to find out for yourself. As I am not a business partner I was not in the room to know exactly what happened but we all know the outcome. NO - I do not work for Bid Dog - I do sell their product now. But as stated earlier I would have been more than happy to stay with DR B's but could not for the reasons already stated. You have more faith in VIP than what I do - we have no idea how long everything is sitting around before being made up and frozen. I have chosen not to trust them.

I was not in the room when the decisions were made so only those who were are the only ones who absolutely know exactly what went on but we all know the outcome was a fold in company agreement resulting in them going separate ways. Not the first time this has happened in business and certainly not that last. No - I do not work for the company but I do sell their product now. As I said earlier I was more than happy to stay with Dr B's Barf but could not due to the reasons already stated. I am happy with my decision and so are those who buy Big Dog Barf from me. I thought I would be making up my own Barf again, have in the past and still do sometimes and I could sell it on but I don't want to make it up on large scale - it's easier for me to buy it in and I am happy to do it this way.

Thank you, Andisa (and ). I did mention "inexplicable" but agree that I didn't make it clear. You're right of course - coat dullness/fading could well just be old coat. Hello Erny - Piper looks like crap when she blows coat, she is dirty and dull and once she goes through the bath a few times she comes out a new girl. There has been plenty of times when I have thought this cant be normal but it is normal for her. Thankfully Pink is nothing like her mother (hope it stays that way) when coming in season. Having groomed many labs over the years I have seen just how much coat they can lose - and this just came to mind when the description of coat was mentioned. ETA : Hopefully it is nothing serious.

When was she groomed out properly - if she losing her winter coat, she might just be in need of a really good scrub in a hydrobath and turbo dry afterwards and a good going over. When was her last season - she might be in a big moult right now. One of my rotties is in season now and she drops heaps of hair one month before she is due in and looks filthy/grey color but back to normal when she has been scrubbed properly. Just a thought before you get any blood works done.

To save room in the freezer either stack a couple of frames inside each other or fill the cavities with minced meat/fruit/veggies, bag individually and you have a great meal in one. This is how I feed my dogs http://www.dogs.net.au/andisa/how-i-feed-my-dogs.asp (note the site is under construction again). There is also another page on Raw Feeding.

Most dogs will eat grass because they like the taste / texture of it - all mine graze - always have.

if this was meant for me - I only know what I was told and I would have been very happy to stay with Dr B's Barf if they went with a company who had better ethics and if the dogs were still happy with the product - unfortunately it never went that way and I had to seek another alternative.

For the texture to change that much you can only guess how much the product had to change for it to be so noticeable. Not only does it contain so much linseed that it coats the poo in such a way it looks to have been rolled in linseed the smell has also changed. I do not trust VIP pet foods and could not continue to buy Dr B's Barf. My dogs did not like the new Dr B's Barf and they were itchy - putting that down to the excess amount of linseed because they never had a problem with it before. I was a distributor of Dr B's Barf for several years and this decision was not taken lightly but was necessary. Not only were my dogs not happy with the change but customers who had been purchasing it from me for many yrs were also not enjoying it either. I told some how to make it themselves when supplies were difficult and to feed holistic dry food - or wait. Those who waited have been much happier with the change over to Big Dog and so are we. Just a question for you guys down here in Vic Where do you get the Big Dog patties from. I live in the western Sub of Melb and would like to try some. Thanks Call Big Dog Pet Foods - http://www.bigdogpetfoods.com/ and they will put you on to your local distributor.

WM - there are two sides to every story as we all know - but you may want to check the ethics of the company who makes the new Dr B's Barf product.... http://www.kangaroo-protection-coalition.c...roopetmeat.html - I simply do not trust that they would not use chemicals again. It doesn't sit comfortably with me. As for a verbal agreement only on a "patent" for the product - it is a business - golden rule is get a patent on everything....seems there was more to it. As for Big Dog Pet Foods - like all large companies they manufacture for different businesses. Yes there has been some changes to both products of Barf, no doubt legal reasons were an incentive but certainly not the only reason. ed: sp?

Strange about that as I spoke to Ian Billinghurst about the changes (I spoke to him about not being able to get any Barf during the changeover period). Once it was back up and running again, he asked me to comment on the product and I told him I like that the packaging was all recyclable, that the product was now back to the original recipe and texture. He said they didn't change the recipe - it is still the same ingredients, only the texture has changed along with the packaging. My dogs love it - and always have. One of mine is a pretty fussy eater and if he can't get Dr B's Barf he won't it - lol. I have been feeding Dr B's Barf for a very long time and I can not remember it being anything like it was the last time I used it. Too many changes in the yrs I stocked it along with several high price increases. There are also many more options feeding a barf diet than what they used to be, giving owners far more choices - which is a good thing.

For the texture to change that much you can only guess how much the product had to change for it to be so noticeable. Not only does it contain so much linseed that it coats the poo in such a way it looks to have been rolled in linseed the smell has also changed. I do not trust VIP pet foods and could not continue to buy Dr B's Barf. My dogs did not like the new Dr B's Barf and they were itchy - putting that down to the excess amount of linseed because they never had a problem with it before. I was a distributor of Dr B's Barf for several years and this decision was not taken lightly but was necessary. Not only were my dogs not happy with the change but customers who had been purchasing it from me for many yrs were also not enjoying it either. I told some how to make it themselves when supplies were difficult and to feed holistic dry food - or wait. Those who waited have been much happier with the change over to Big Dog and so are we.

Dr B's Barf lost me when they changed companies and went with VIP pet foods.

been good enough for my rottie pups too..

Ok, so when I first read this I thought you meant to put the dogs in a bucket of water!!! :nahnah: I was trying to think if you just meant to plonk a wet dog in the crate!!! Oops! yeah well I could put the pugs in a bucket but I would need a pretty big bucket for the rotties. glad I forgot to mention to wring them out then...

Does the dog get wet? Do they drip everywhere? Sorry for all the questions but all I am imagining at the moment is a dripping wet dog bed being carried down the hallway into their crates Sorry - should have said to wring it out gently - the dogs are not wet as such, slightly damp but much cooler - not like you have to dry them off.

just put them in a bucket of water for about 5 mins or so and put them in the crate (or on the floor) with the black side up. They stay cool for many hrs but you can re wet them again if you need to. I don't know how they really work but they just do. My Rotties will often push them to the side but the pugs love them. As they lay on them it helps keep them cool. They are a bit pricey but worth it.