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It actually looks like a spider bite I had on my arm a few years ago, it grew to the size of a 20 cent piece then started to heal. Ended up healing quite quickly once it had started to but a small lump of scar tissue remained. Oddly enough it wasn't particularly painful.

I'm actually quite sick of every dog attack thread being taken over by the pitbull media-bias complaint. I used to have some sympathy for it, but I'm just sick of hearing about it now. There is no reason pitbulls had to be mentioned in this thread at all. No wonder people think of them everytime an attack is mentioned, when even their supporters can't let the story be about anythng else. Flame away, I won't respond, because if that is all the thread is going to be about I'll go read something else.

Yes, I'd love to know the backstory on this one. Just what was happening before the dog started fighting, or does he have a medical problem. Not because of the breed, but because a pet animal attacking several resident adults known to it without an apparent trigger sounds very unusual. Edited: was posting this when the report of the family fight was reported. I guess that's the trigger somehow. Poor dog.

I'll do a lot to forestall an attack on my dogs, but I never thought of going that far

what a model family, mum, dad, son, setters , Argyle sweaters......and shot gun

Arwen......

Letting really reckless advice stand without objection would be breeching more than forum rules, it would be breeching common decency. I don't think calling you out on pretending to be your own friend is a breech either. But if you have a problem with any of the posts, just click that little report button. Troy will sort it.

So the caveats on the show about not just picking up CM's techniques and trying them at home are lost on you then? You have no idea of the OPs ability to read a dog or physical condition, she had a child in the pram and a dog on a lead attached to the pram, and you advise her to start 'poking' an unknown, aggressive dog in the neck? Happy days if it redirects its aggression onto her. I'm sorry but that rates as some of the most recklessly irresponsible advice I have read on this forum.

What Showdog said, some vets are deep into the puppy farming/byb business. There is a local radio vet here who I have heard extoll the benefits of her clients byb crossbreeding efforts on several occassions, she's positively anti-registered breeder in her comments.

Never, they are timeless.

Even setting aside the byb and cross breeding issues, 5 times in 2 years is far too often for the bitch. It's barely possible actually, given their normal cycles, so I assume you mean just over 2 years. A bitch should not be bred on successive seasons that many times in a row, it's asking too much of her and would get a registered breeder into hot water.

It's OK, you didn't sound critical, with that last comment I was more responding to some of the earlier highly judgemental posts.

I agree, and they would be at a disadvantage in the fight too being tied up. Having been attacked previously, I know mine would not hold in a stay without me and only metres from a dog fight. Maybe that's a training issue, but I don't blame them, they have been through it and remember. With other people to help already there I'd have done what the OP did - get them out of there. If no-one else had turned up it would be different. It's very unfair to try and second guess what people decide in those circumstances, you do the best you can at the time.

Being deaf is something dogs seem to cope with well, as long as their owners figure out how to communicate with them it need not impair their quality of life and it causes no pain. So different to so many of the other other severe disabilities.

I'm not sure this one is a 'these days' kind of issue really, I imagine a lot of breeders would have felt the same whatever decade it happened in. It's good she can accept it and move on.

I'm not sure this one is a 'these days' kind of issue really, I imagine a lot of breeders would have felt the same whatever decade it happened in.

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Maybe that's the reason, but maybe it's really because she has lost faith in the buyer and doesn't think she is a stable home for the pup if she was willing to give it up so quickly for an unsubstantiated reason. It's probably easier to give a different reason though, could be hard to tell someone you no longer trust them to do the right thing by the dog.

yes indeed Of course, no-one is talking about temp testing ova or sperm. But the proposal says that: " Such standards should also apply to any genetic material imported with assessment of temperament of donors of semen, ova or embryos." So if the sire is dead, the semen could not be imported as the temperament test could not occur. A breeder would typically assess what temperament a deceased sire is likely to throw by the temperament of his existing progeny, and by what was known of him while he was alive. But that option will go under this scheme, even though judging by what he has produced already is probably the more accurate option for assessing what he is likely to continue to produce, more revealing than a single temp test of the dog himself.

Yes it's a good post. I've also read that essay and agree it's an interesting observation from a non-dog person. I'd also love to see a 2 year follow-up on the dogs.

Yes that's true, there is even one on the local radio here who uses the spot to extoll the virtues of mutts bred by her clinic's clients. I think the last cross she was pushing was DDBxBoxer. And more than one vet has commented on my Salukis or Afghans at the first appointment. Just a shame that my dogs aren't of either breed.

I do.

You'd also have to have a pretty good relationship with a breeder to require them to go to the trouble of getting their sire temperament tested to some overseas standard by goodness knows who just so you could import it's semen - I can imagine being told no thanks, just too much hassle. So much for broadening gene pools.

It doesn't translate to me. I'm not talking about Ark's cerebal palsy pup, I don't know what the quality of that dog's life is and she is best placed to judge. She is also is not seeking to rehome it, she is committed to it herself. But I do know that these legless pups aren't people. Nothing we know about dogs tells us that they have an intellectual, spiritual or creative life independent of physical limitations, they don't have a societal safety net, they get rehomed to people who may not understand how incredibly vulnerable and needy they are, who may be looking for a short-term virtuous glow or novelty value, they can't see their life in context and accept short term misery and pain for what joy may come tomorrow, they can't conceptualise or plan ahead, they have no personal growth to be achieved through suffering as some religous would have us believe of people. Someone earlier spoke as a vet nurse who had seen disabled pups over their lives and the toll it took on them. I have no problem with people keeping pups with a disability that doesn't substantially affect their quality of life, but when it does it's a kindness to pts. Making them endure as a novely item so humans can feel virtuous or politically correct is the cruelty to me.

I wonder what threat to the safety of 'other animals' means in this context. Dangerous to rabbits? Not safe with cats? Hardly a reason to prevent them entering the country I would have thought - especially as most dogs imported are probably just peoples pets, returning to the country with them.