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That is what I did, partly because I didn't know which was best for the purpose - but also for the colours :laugh: SSM I have some left that I am happy to bequeth to you, it is the cupboard taking up space. It is not enough for all you will need tho.

Even if it is a best case and both parents are only heterogeneous for the trait, the sister has a 25% chance of being homogeneous for it , and a 50% chance of being heterogeneous. She only has a 25% chance of being clear - so yes, I'd be cautious. You would have to be a gambler, or know your intended studs are completey clear, not to be cautious. The brother is more likely to be carrying it than to be clear too, surely, although he can't be homogeneous unless it is a trait with incomplete penetrance. That all makes some assumptions about inheritance given it is a multigene problem, but given how common the issue is in some breeds I suspect it could be close to a fair call. I think the view that it was inherited down the dam line only might have caused a few of the current problems.

Same repro vets I mentioned said if they aren't down by 8 weeks they think of them as genetically crypto even if they come down much later - which is your point I think HW. But you say you would not write the sire off - as he has the same genetic influence than the dam on this issue, I assume you then wouldn't necessarily write her off either? The only difference I can see is an entire dog who produces it must be heterogeneous for the trait, whereas the bitch could be homogeneous or she could be heterogeneous, and you would only be able to potentially figure that out with a thorough knowledge of the lines or progeny. (Or test mating but no-one does that these days.)

Would you use a sire again who had produced it Wreckit? Genuine question, I have no hands-on experience with the problem and no vested interest. Repro vets I have spoken to have been clear it is known now to be a multi-gene problem, but recessive. Both sire and dam must carry it to produce it. Previous thinking that it was just from the dam they reckon is disproved.

Oh, yeah!! :) triple yeah!

Oh hilarious!

I am tempted to say surgical stitches (in her leg after an accident), but in keeping with the spirit of the thread - new collars.

http://m.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/july/internet_myths

I have never fed ice and don't feed frozen meat, but I have read a lot of bloat research and never seen it mentioned as a factor.

Agree with this, best thing I have found for teeth cleaning is heads, but apart from that big chunks of meat do a fair job. Turkey necks are far too bony for mine to have often, I think they are about 40% bone. Mine get edible bone every third meal or so. Most usually in the form of a whole rabbit or chicken. A whole chicken is about 30% bone, frames and necks of course much more than that.

Are his puppies shown? It wouldn't bother me that a dog wasn't shown if he had good progeny.

Yep. Not safe to be armed. Not really safe to be on the street at all if he is that incompetent and callous.

A vet check is a good idea, sometimes it can be illness or pain causing a change like this. Or something has changed in the household that you are not concious is affecting them. Desexing can increase aggression in females, also something to bear in mind if you are thinking of taking that route.

I find breed matters too, a lot of hounds were kept in packs and needed to be able to get along together. Never had a fight requiring a vet visit here.

I like having three dogs, don't find it much more work than 2 and I can take one with me and those at home still have company. With 2 I feel I have to take both or none Btw, the dogs don't 'dictate' that I don't leave them alone, it is just my personal standard of care.

You said there should be tougher laws in place for dog ownership. Someone disagreed. What has that got to do with BSL? We don't need tougher laws, we need the current ones enforced. But this has been discussed to death. we need new laws that targets irresponsible owners, not specific breeds. Enforcing current laws doesn't address irresponsible ownership at all, it just shifts the blame on to specific breeds, so there needs to be new laws. LOL as i originally posted, judge the deed not the breed. Any dog can be dangerous. Im sure it has been discussed to death my apologies for only joining the forum today. There are plenty of laws that target irresposible ownership - leash laws, registration and microchipping, laws about how many dogs can be kept, or walked, about children not being in charge of dogs on the street......I want them enforced. Not additional ones.

lots of other vets in Canberra who would be happy to see her stop practising, that is where my money would be for the 'tip'.

Haredown Whippets will know them all, she is sure to turn up in here sooner or later.

My breed, not quite giant on weight but probably so on height, seems to have been raised on gruels of cooked grains, including wheat, and boiled meat. Certainly not grain free in any sense, if the written records from centuries past are correct.

The OP asked for giant breed advice, so maybe only giving relevant advice would be good to save them any confusion? I agree. There are many deeply held opinons on canine diets. But in this matter, the sound growth of a precious Mastiff puppy, the opinions of those who have little relevant experience are more likely to be dangerous than useful. The Dane site HW posted looks comprehensive, and RC giant breed puppy kibble was one of those recommended there. If the OP did want to go raw, there is a DOLer who raises her giant breed puppies that way who has the experience to advise. But for a novice owner of such a breed, a recommended kibble such as RC is likely to be lower risk and easier. It is heart breaking to see a giant breed pup with the orthopedic problems that arise from an ill-advised diet.

Vetoed, as in ruled out of contention? Or is that just a mispost and you mean he will consider them?

For a truly giant breed puppy, it is all in the growth pattern. They are much harder to grow out well than a smaller dog, and a kibble that suits a smaller animal might be a disaster, even if it looks good on paper or sounds good in theory. I would stick to what the breeder recommends first and foremost, or others with direct experince of the giants, such as SSM and their Irish. Not internet ratings, not for this pup.

nor do they want to use inulin, both are in that BH.

Generally you would get a diet plan from the puppy's breeder, and stick to what they recommend. Especially for such a big breed with lots of growing to do. But I know a number of show people who feed RC and get very good results. I have no experience with the giant puppy version specifically.

Lol, I used to do that too when I first started, until I was told that someone else in the group was spreading the rumour that they had heard me singing made singing sound like a euphemism for some strange occult ritual. I had to admit that I did in fact sometimes sing. Shock horror! Dotdashdot, sounds like you had a great weekend, well done