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i got my recipe from a book called dog food secrets. Interesting. who wrote this one?

how much protein is actually in those things? I know brown rice is only about 2%, but not sure about chicken pat, beet pulp etc? I wonder if there has to be a certain percentage before its recognised as being a protein source... lol you know the answer to that one?

I get what you mean with the daisy thing...interesting and I will mention that to her when she pops back in this week. She couldn't tell me a lot about its suitability, only that it was working well on many dogs she knew . She did mention the shelf life due to the oils etc and said its best to buy the smaller bags as you need it, store it well etc etc. She offered me a free bag but I wasn't keen on it for my pup. I'm sure it could be very easily duplicated by adding the extras to a normal meal. Out of interest zayda, i'm guessing you had intra-dermal tests done?

exactly what I was thinking

Which wont actually reduce the risk of the dog developing an allergy, it just reduces the number of things the dog may be allergic to if it does develop adverse food reactions But that's not what you're interested in atm, so good luck finding someone who has used it with only an atopic dog... As I stated I still would want to know the full list of ingredients where they just list things like "nutrients" because there's plenty in there for even "just" an atopic dog to react to... Most of our clients with atopy don't have food reactions and its the typical seasonal itchies Found this.... INGREDIENTS: MENHADEN FISH MEAL, RICE, BROWN RICE, CHICKEN FAT, NATURAL FLAVORS, CELLULOSE POWDER, DRIED BEET PULP, VEGETABLE OIL, CURCUMIN, L-TYROSINE, CALCIUM CARBONATE, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, SODIUM CHLORIDE, TAURINE*, CHOLINE CHLORIDE, BORAGE OIL, VITAMINS [DL ALPHA-TOCOPHEROL ACETATE (SOURCE OF VITAMIN E), INOSITOL, NIACIN, L-ASCORBYL-2-POLYPHOSPHATE (SOURCE OF VITAMIN C*), D-CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, BIOTIN, PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B6), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), THIAMINE MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), VITAMIN A ACETATE, FOLIC ACID, VITAMIN B12 SUPPLEMENT, VITAMIN D3 SUPPLEMENT], ALOE VERA EXTRACT, TRACE MINERALS [ZINC AMINO ACID CHELATE, ZINC OXIDE, FERROUS SULFATE, MANGANESE AMINO ACID CHELATE, COPPER AMINO ACID CHELATE, COPPER SULFATE, MANGANOUS OXIDE, SODIUM SELENITE, CALCIUM IODATE], MARIGOLD EXTRACT, PRESERVED WITH NATURAL MIXED TOCOPHEROLS, ROSEMARY EXTRACT, AND CITRIC ACID.

I realise all of the above, but I was just curious whether any one with just ATOPIC dogs, not dogs with food allergies, has tried it. It says 'reduce the risk of food hypersensitivity', meaning by using one protein source, it reduces the risk of dogs developing hypersensitivities. I'm not trying to push it or anything. We had a new rep come around with lots of info about it, so I was interested to know whether anyone had any success, as she claimed that it was providing relief for many dogs with just atopy.

• 3/4 pound Raw Meat -- *see Note • 1 egg -- raw • 1/2 clove garlic -- chopped • 2 tablespoons yogurt • 1 teaspoon honey • 1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar • 1/2 teaspoon flax seed oil -- *see Note • 1 teaspoon kelp seaweed powder -- *see Note • 1 teaspoon alfalfa powder -- *see Note • 250 mgs vitamin C -- for dogs • 1/4 cup kibble -- optional Mix together and serve. *Note: raw beef chunks (not ground), raw chicken, mackerel, or lamb etc. twice a week use liver or kidney. Note: found in health food store or pet store doesn't Barf usually involve pulped fruits and veges?

probiotics can be good for sensitive stomachs. I use the Inner Health Plus ones from the health food shop for my dane puppy. Eagle Pack make some great Holistic foods that don't have chicken in them. They also have a Giant Breed Adult formula. There are lots of other super premiums around that don't have chicken, and while they're more expensive, they have more usable ingredients in them so you don't have to feed as much per meal.

what about if you feed a kibble thats made from chicken? its not uncommon for dogs to regurgitate foods with bones, particularly chicken carcasses, necks, wings etc.

I have my dogs on a homemade diet, no kibble which works well for us... I had a look on the net, but couldn't find a complete list of ingredients for that product... it would depend on the dog and if there is anything in it that they are allergic to... Most RC products have corn, so they are out for us... this particular food was developed for atopic dogs, not dogs with food allergies.

Dogs can actually develop allergies to food, as well as intolerances. Intolerances can often show up as gastrointestinal symptoms, where as allergies can show up as itching. It can be hard to distinguish the difference, but there are two different things. For example, some people can be lactose intolerant, but it isnt an allergy and generally isn't dangerous, whereas others can be allergic to milk and the face swells up etc and can cause death.. What form are you feeding the chicken in, greatdanes? Carcasses? Or is it anything with chicken in it?

Just out of interest, has anyone tried Royal Canin's sensitive skin formula? They say its been developed for atopic dogs, and its got lots of added extra's to help with the symtpoms, like fish oils, aloe vera, tumerik.... Be interested to know if anyone has actually tried it and had any success with it

I agree. Sounds like the gland really needs to be emptied.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE you can buy this stuff in vic? i cant seem to find it. These guys are in melb but will ship anyway by the looks of it http://www.pookinuk.com.au

Advantage also claims to do the surroundings...

Dogs with flea bite allergies can often itch 3-4 days after the fleas have gone. Bare in mind that fleas from the environment can still jump onto your dog and have a quick bite before they die!

I'm pretty sure the Dick Van Patten stuff is registered for all life stages.

Macrolone is cortisone which acts as an anti-inflammatory. Not sure how it would 'soften' the plug. Not sure why they can become blocked, some just do I guess. I'd have it seen to again before it becomes infected and ends up with an abscess.

can you get a sample and take it to the vets for analysis? its pretty quick and doesn't cost much either and they can tell you whether its healthy urine or not.

yeah its pretty hard smell to get rid of! My dane puppy needs his expressed every so often and its not fun! One night he somehow managed to do it in his sleep - in my bed!!

actually, this is incorrect. Food is pretty much the least marked up thing and vet make the least amount of money from selling it.

Sounds exactly like anal glands! I would describe it as a strong metallic fishy smell, generally just putrid. Most dogs don't need to have their glands expressed, it just does it naturally when they poo. If they aren't emptying naturally, they become full and uncomfortable and dogs often lick the area, scoot, and you can smell it. Dogs (and cats) often empty their glands if they get a fright, or sudden fear.

Where is the one in Castle Hill? i'd be keen to know where is castle hill also?

I crate trained Orbit and have his crate by my bed. Sometimes he sleeps on my bed, other times he sleeps in his crate, depending on how I feel at the time . He is happy either way and happily goes into his crate for bed if I tell him. Even at 30kg now, I still make him wait to be lifting up and down from my bed.... though I think I will get a step for him soon!

considering it costs me about $300 or so to have my car serviced every 6 months or so, I don't have a problem paying the $80 or so dollars for a vaccine to know my animals are in good health