The Spotted Devil

Sorry didn't know I needed a point - simply passing the info on in case someone other than me is interested. I was wondering why it was "news" - because euth stats are publicly available. All this demonstrates is that a past/present employee has "stolen" and published data that is essentially meaningless. I've seen enough dogs be adopted out - that should have been and were destined to be euthanased - because someone felt sure the dog would make a perfectly good pet and/or could be cured. Well it was news for me as Ive never seen a list before that actually tells me what breeds were involved or one by one why they were killed. For me this answers things so far the usual stats haven't done for me and the more I look at it the more questions it answers for me. Wish it was that simple. Sometimes it just means that certain breeds are more popular in that region. Or the types of people who are attracted to that breed encourage certain behaviours. Or there's been a large number of dogs seized or surrendered. Not to mention that breed ID certainly can't be relied upon. I've been inside enough shelters - here and in the USA - to not make any assumptions based on this document. Yes I know all that but I was more interested in the medical conditions that they link to the breeds and a couple of other things including that only one Maremma was listed. I must be missing something. There's not enough information available. They haven't linked anything to breed. Someone IDs the animal when it comes in (to the best of their ability) and someone else assesses it. The medical descriptions given aren't even detailed enough to reach any conclusions. Regardless of breed, they can't release a human aggressive dog back into the community??? Of course they cant release a human aggressive dog back into the community regardless of breed. I simply found it interesting and if they are not linking reasons for death to breed then why describe the breed at all? Why not just dog number and why it was put down? Well EVERY animal that enters the shelter is ID'd - by species and by breed (or the best guess) - every animal that is lost and handed in, caught by council rangers, seized, surrendered, adopted out, fostered and euthanased. It's just the process that is followed when every animal is admitted - scan for microchip is number one by the way. Can you imagine calling the shelter about your lost Dalmatian and being told "sorry we're not sure, we don't record the breed as we don't want to discriminate". Some employee has just lifted a bunch of records out of the very large database.

Sorry didn't know I needed a point - simply passing the info on in case someone other than me is interested. I was wondering why it was "news" - because euth stats are publicly available. All this demonstrates is that a past/present employee has "stolen" and published data that is essentially meaningless. I've seen enough dogs be adopted out - that should have been and were destined to be euthanased - because someone felt sure the dog would make a perfectly good pet and/or could be cured. Well it was news for me as Ive never seen a list before that actually tells me what breeds were involved or one by one why they were killed. For me this answers things so far the usual stats haven't done for me and the more I look at it the more questions it answers for me. Wish it was that simple. Sometimes it just means that certain breeds are more popular in that region. Or the types of people who are attracted to that breed encourage certain behaviours. Or there's been a large number of dogs seized or surrendered. Not to mention that breed ID certainly can't be relied upon. I've been inside enough shelters - here and in the USA - to not make any assumptions based on this document. Yes I know all that but I was more interested in the medical conditions that they link to the breeds and a couple of other things including that only one Maremma was listed. I must be missing something. There's not enough information available. They haven't linked anything to breed. Someone IDs the animal when it comes in (to the best of their ability) and someone else assesses it. The medical descriptions given aren't even detailed enough to reach any conclusions. Regardless of breed, they can't release a human aggressive dog back into the community???

Shelters also have a LEGAL level of responsibility. You'll never hear about it but insurers have certainly paid out where a shelter has knowingly re-homed an aggressive dog. And shelters have to make decisions about where they spend resources too - X on Dog A with severe HD or X on 6 other dogs.

Sorry didn't know I needed a point - simply passing the info on in case someone other than me is interested. I was wondering why it was "news" - because euth stats are publicly available. All this demonstrates is that a past/present employee has "stolen" and published data that is essentially meaningless. I've seen enough dogs be adopted out - that should have been and were destined to be euthanased - because someone felt sure the dog would make a perfectly good pet and/or could be cured. Well it was news for me as Ive never seen a list before that actually tells me what breeds were involved or one by one why they were killed. For me this answers things so far the usual stats haven't done for me and the more I look at it the more questions it answers for me. Wish it was that simple. Sometimes it just means that certain breeds are more popular in that region. Or the types of people who are attracted to that breed encourage certain behaviours. Or there's been a large number of dogs seized or surrendered. Not to mention that breed ID certainly can't be relied upon. I've been inside enough shelters - here and in the USA - to not make any assumptions based on this document.

Sorry didn't know I needed a point - simply passing the info on in case someone other than me is interested. I was wondering why it was "news" - because euth stats are publicly available. All this demonstrates is that a past/present employee has "stolen" and published data that is essentially meaningless. I've seen enough dogs be adopted out - that should have been and were destined to be euthanased - because someone felt sure the dog would make a perfectly good pet and/or could be cured.

Publicly available stats: https://www.rspca.org.au/facts/annual-statistics/published-statistics

And your point is?

Hi Spotted Devil :) I actually didn't realise the field bred Springers were so different in type to the show ones. We have only met the show type ones with their long flowing coat that is a lot of work. Had a look at your website and had a read of all the info you have on there - thanks for that. Your dogs look great They look like more of what we are looking for...similar to the Brittany :) Another breed definitely to ad to our short list to research a lot further. Glad you enjoyed the website - it was fun putting it together. I'm in Vic too - happy for you to meet my dogs. I'm out and about at agility trials quite a bit too.

I suspect QLD is the default.

The trick with all gazebos is to use 4 extra ropes (with the springs) and decent stakes and cross them over down two sides in high winds. My little compact has survived the worst weather doing this.

I've been told it's got a better P:Ca ratio than other offal. Not sure how accurate that is. My baby puppies loved it but they ate most everything that was put in front of them. I bought frozen "muffins" from a place in Bayswater - can't remember the name - great raw products and treats - convenient but expensive - and I was pretty pissed off at being lectured to by one of the owners. Kinda picked the wrong breeder :laugh:

If you like the Brittany an ESS could be another option. I have field-bred Springers - lots of energy, limited coat, definitely need a mental outlet (not just running) but are amazingly sweet, snuggly house dogs. One of my puppy buyers also has show-bred Springers and there's pics and descriptions of both on my website (in my signature but thornfield.com.au in case you're on a mobile device).

Food allergies/sensitivities can come and go as well. One of my cats suddenly started pulling chunks of fur out. Put her on a strict Z/D diet and introduced proteins after several months. She's fine on chicken but reacts badly to beef, lamb and turkey. She'd previously been fine all of those but immediately threw up and scratched like mad.

Seeing as Nova was mistaken as a 'long haired Dalmatian' I'm pretty sure some people just don't even know what Dalmatians are!

Not for the faint of heart!!! Lovely dogs though.

I thought one of my Springers was allergic to grass...but as soon as I changed her dry food to one that didn't contain corn she was perfectly fine. Really odd but it was like the grass would trigger the scratching that was really caused by the diet. I've inadvertently fed her corn-based dog food twice and she flared up and settled down within 24 hours.

We have stayed at a friends house for a while with a lovely Dalmatian. She was lovely with a really nice nature, however we were constantly coated in copious amounts of her white hair - and that really put us off. Yes it's one of the first things I tell people. You can either live with it or you can't!

If you don't mind the public oohing and aahing over your dog all the time there's always the Dalmatian. Zig just makes heads turn. The cost is very easy care....just sheds all over your house :laugh:

I am considering doing both Penn Hip and AVA (now ANKC) - a specialist at Monash recommended AVA last time because the data on field-bred ESS is rare anyway and AVA is better understood in this scenario.

Thank you so much for posting. He has said much of what I thought, this in particular: Greyhound racing might have been able to rebuild its social licence when the veil was lifted on live baiting. We all accept that mistakes can be made, even very bad mistakes, but when you won't admit your mistakes and therefore aren't prepared to change, the public decide you aren't misguided or mismanaged but you meant to do it and are therefore inherently bad and can never be trusted.

What she said :laugh:. I have now raised 3 litters under the "PC" program, or parts of it and if I wasn't convinced before then, I certainly am now! LP - compared to what I did with my litter, how much more would I get out of PC?

I'm pretty sure Lavelle did mine.

Yes do it to the mat....and then you can gradually move the mat near to and then inside the crate! Try putting a timer on for ONE minute. Take a break. Evaluate. And then pick up where you left off. That's why I like training 3 dogs. Forces me to be super quick and efficient :laugh:

Honestly it was like he was playing with my foster kittens. Such a softy! No way would I pick up a koala! I put Zig on a sit stay and got very close as I thought it might be injured. But it seemed fine and wasn't there when I came back to check. Very unusual in that area of the forest apparently.

Ziggy found a koala and started play bowing to it. It didn't appear scared or injured. Just a bit bemused! We have lots of echidnas on our block...Zig will alarm bark but the Spaniels take one look "nup, not rabbit" and just ignore them.