The Spotted Devil

I think the IF it worked is the big one. The fact that they are drawing on the science of music is an alarm bell...the science is awful! Looks nice though. Similar looking crates are easily available in the USA.

Agree. I think it's state based legislation.

Freaking hell. Poor little kid and what a brave brother she has. No words for the owners.

Mine also go into whelp super fit - not intentionally mind you - they just can't be stopped :laugh: I wonder if that makes a difference. Steamed chicken makes lovely training treats too. If she likes the dry then use that as training treats at home - ration out her daily amount and everyone can use that. Save the good stuff for when you're out walking. All mine train at home (a lot!) for dry food.

I'm pretty sure juice has had this dog since about March...?

Exactly!

Depends how much she loves rice and hates mashed pumpkin :D If she's fussy I would add a little mash and reduce the rice over a week or two. I'm lucky - Em was running herself silly from Week 2 after whelping. Was dripping with milk but looked fabulous by the time the pups left. I was feeding her BUCKET loads. Much to her delight!

I'd switch the rice for mashed pumpkin for a start - the latter is MUCH more of a filler than rice! If that doesn't work, then cut the other components by third/half and up the pumpkin if she still seems hungry.

:laugh: Actially it's the opposite! When they are super excited they just can't demonstrate enough impulse control for a decent nose touch. Or tug! I've had to move Ginny into the carpark so she can think straight when Mr TSD walks out with her retrieving dummies. But she's a bit bonkers lol

Love old tales but wouldn't put any trust in it. In fact my soft working dogs would likely be quite horrified.

I did it a few years ago. Yes, open book and not too bad. Some of the questions are not particularly well written so read them carefully before you rush in and put your answer.

PK that's fabulous well done!!! So another suggestion for you - teach him a really simple behaviour such as a multiple nose to hand touch (shape it). Make this a highly rewarded trick and then it's a very helpful measure of how anxious he is. Really handy if the meds are causing fluctuations in coping OR if you go to a new environment OR something changes at home. If he's hesitant or can't nose touch you'll immediately know to start the RP back several levels at something easy and maybe reasses meds. I use this with my dogs all the time - because not only can it indicate a worried dog but it can tell me when they are OVER excited eg at a trial or when Ginny is confronted with somewhere she can run lol

Yes saw this earlier. Sounds just awful

I had no idea poodles came in parti! Just had to google - thought they were all solid. Saw my first parti-poodle in the late 80s. Gorgeous dog.

You don't have to defend them to me - I know what they do and why and I wasn't attempting to show they were doing anything wrong etc . I don't want everything saved and the number was of no interest to me or I would have not been so interested because I can get the numbers already. Only just saw this. It was a general comment.

That was the one that stood out for me too. First, as you say, how do they asses in a shelter situation and secondly if the owners surrendering said dog knows about and reports the separation anxiety why can't they do the kindest thing and take them to be euthanised themselves. If the dog get so anxious when it's humans aren't there then damn well make sure you are there till the end. You should see the old, old dogs that people drop off or the ones KNOWN to be human or dog aggressive. Some people just can't face reality. The number of dogs surrendered on Christmas Eve left me gobsmacked. That one really hit me hard.

There's a number of shelters in the USA doing just that unless breed is known (i.e dog surrendered with pedigree papers). There's enough evidence around now to show that shelter guesses as to breed mix are generally inaccurate at best, so it makes sense. Those shelters are really happy with the choice and seeing increased adoptions. Interesting! But are they recording NO information about the dog in their database or just not putting it on the adoption pen notes - because that's a great idea. But what about dogs that are lost and found? Don't you need something to help people get their dogs back? Its called a microchip but every microchip in this country is also linked to a breed. And not every dog is microchipped. Or up to date.

There's a number of shelters in the USA doing just that unless breed is known (i.e dog surrendered with pedigree papers). There's enough evidence around now to show that shelter guesses as to breed mix are generally inaccurate at best, so it makes sense. Those shelters are really happy with the choice and seeing increased adoptions. Interesting! But are they recording NO information about the dog in their database or just not putting it on the adoption pen notes - because that's a great idea. But what about dogs that are lost and found? Don't you need something to help people get their dogs back? The one I read about most recently was Fairfax Animal Shelter (awesome shelter, live release rate usually of 95%+), had a google and found this which seems to indicate they are removing breed labels from the software for adoptable dogs, but doesn't talk about strays etc. https://animalfarmfoundation.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/removing-breed-labels-easier-than-you-think/ I see what you're saying re lost dogs but the flip side is there have been numerous cases of dogs labelled by shelter staff as "X cross" and owner rings up asking if they've found a "Y cross" and the answer is no... but it was the same dog with two different breed labels given. To me it would be much less risk-fraught to instead ensure that all lost pets are listed online with good, clear pictures on the day they arrive. Yes I agree - although I think our system here makes it more difficult with large shelters bidding for pound contracts. Makes it very unwieldy. ETA: from your (excellent) link, I think this is great, really great: 3. Ask your shelter software provider if they can remove breed labels from adoptable dogs online. We use a provider that is able to remove the public labels on adoptable dogs (even though they will not remove the breed labels entirely). Just to be clear the information released in the OP was from an internal document

There's a number of shelters in the USA doing just that unless breed is known (i.e dog surrendered with pedigree papers). There's enough evidence around now to show that shelter guesses as to breed mix are generally inaccurate at best, so it makes sense. Those shelters are really happy with the choice and seeing increased adoptions. Interesting! But are they recording NO information about the dog in their database or just not putting it on the adoption pen notes - because that's a great idea. But what about dogs that are lost and found? Don't you need something to help people get their dogs back?

Bloody hell FOR ME its about the dogs and the breeds and Euthanasia - the fact that its a list from the RSPCA isnt an issue for me and I would be just as interested if it was any list that itemised what breed type was being PTS and why form any pound or shelter- Because so far Ive never seen one. Of course I dont want the shelter to not record breed or breed type but dont tell me that the breed type isnt linked to dogs that come in go out and die. You had already decided when you came in here that my interest was about making the RSPCA look bad and the fact that Im telling you that's not what I was thinking or why I was interested wont make a scrap of difference. Why you think this would make the RSPCA present in the worst possible light is beyond me as for ME it shows that they didnt just pop them off because there was no room at the inn or because they couldn't find them a home and I assume because they are there on the spot taking advice form vets that what they do they do because they have to. Actually I was talking about the person who took the data originally. But hey.

There's no way of knowing at what age dogs were desexed. Now I'm not disagreeing with you that desexing early can cause issues but there are conclusions drawn that go both ways. One of the risk factors for dogs entering shelters in a large study was if the dog was entire. Now personally I suspect that this is too simplistic. But this might be best suited for a separate discussion. ETA: It's super difficult to conduct sound scientific studies on the CAUSAL effects of desexing which is why you can't find any :D

Some of the no explanation is unassisted death - you have to look across the line. Sure doesn't make the staffies look good does it? Same issues with Staffies in Vic but they're some of the most popular breeds with shelter staff and management. Everyone knows they are a popular dog in the community. Hence you get more proportionally in the shelter.

Sometimes it's owner reported and very severe. Or the dogs have gone into foster care and it's come to light. Or the dog has been rehomed and bounced back. Clinic notes attached to each case are generally quite extensive in my experience. You can't put all that info into a drop down menu that is part of a shelter database system.

Sorry didn't know I needed a point - simply passing the info on in case someone other than me is interested. I was wondering why it was "news" - because euth stats are publicly available. All this demonstrates is that a past/present employee has "stolen" and published data that is essentially meaningless. I've seen enough dogs be adopted out - that should have been and were destined to be euthanased - because someone felt sure the dog would make a perfectly good pet and/or could be cured. Well it was news for me as Ive never seen a list before that actually tells me what breeds were involved or one by one why they were killed. For me this answers things so far the usual stats haven't done for me and the more I look at it the more questions it answers for me. Wish it was that simple. Sometimes it just means that certain breeds are more popular in that region. Or the types of people who are attracted to that breed encourage certain behaviours. Or there's been a large number of dogs seized or surrendered. Not to mention that breed ID certainly can't be relied upon. I've been inside enough shelters - here and in the USA - to not make any assumptions based on this document. Yes I know all that but I was more interested in the medical conditions that they link to the breeds and a couple of other things including that only one Maremma was listed. I must be missing something. There's not enough information available. They haven't linked anything to breed. Someone IDs the animal when it comes in (to the best of their ability) and someone else assesses it. The medical descriptions given aren't even detailed enough to reach any conclusions. Regardless of breed, they can't release a human aggressive dog back into the community??? Of course they cant release a human aggressive dog back into the community regardless of breed. I simply found it interesting and if they are not linking reasons for death to breed then why describe the breed at all? Why not just dog number and why it was put down? Well EVERY animal that enters the shelter is ID'd - by species and by breed (or the best guess) - every animal that is lost and handed in, caught by council rangers, seized, surrendered, adopted out, fostered and euthanased. It's just the process that is followed when every animal is admitted - scan for microchip is number one by the way. Can you imagine calling the shelter about your lost Dalmatian and being told "sorry we're not sure, we don't record the breed as we don't want to discriminate". Some employee has just lifted a bunch of records out of the very large database. Yes that's right and as a result the dog is identified by its breed or breed type and that info is linked to what happens to it so Can you imagine how such a list could be used to state that a particular breed and or breed type is more highly represented for having to be PTS for aggression than any other etc? That list doesn't tell several other things that I would have hoped could also be included for every dog and I appreciated being able to take a look at it even though when I was looking at it I was aware of all the things you have pointed out. If it isnt news for others and no one else is interested it wouldn't be the first time I thought something was worthwhile looking at and others didn't . It's incomplete data plain and simple that focuses on an emotive topic in an attempt to present RSPCA in the worst possible light. So do you want the shelter to NOT record breed as each dog enters the shelter?

It's horrible but I've seen some litters come into shelters that were so messed up. Never seen a human (think food tossed to the mother if she was lucky) and the offspring of poor temperament parents. And I've seen some that were "saved" and are bloody miserable. Catch 22. It's unusual for shelters to euth puppies as they sell very easily. No-one likes doing it. No comment on the Greys as yes I have seen the same issues with Greys elsewhere.