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Thats exactly what I would be asking for. Would have assumed would have already been on that. You assumed correctly. They're both on 3 types of medication.

roscoe is back at the vet for the day on fluids. Hopefully I can pick him up tonight. His Creatinine level was high They're already on 3 types of medication for their stomach.(obviously :)..)

So Roscoes blood tests are abnormal back to the vet tomorrow for more tests

The boys got to come to work with me, my boss took this photo :)!

Off to the vet again tomorrow for more blood tests, Riddick threw up his breakfast, so Im watching him like a hawk (he came with me to work, thank god for amazing bosses!) Does anyone have some good information of stomach ulcers in dogs? I have what the vet told me, and Ive been googling.

Thanks so much for the lovely words guys. It doesn't seem like much, but when everything is so terrible, its nice to have somewhere like DOL to help it be a tiny bit more bearable I think the boys are just as happy to be home as I am happy for them to be home. They're following me like hawks, and Riddick is sleeping on my feet at every opportunity <3

Both are good points, and you're right even with all the training I will be putting in, I wont be just leaving things out willy nilly. I guess I would say that, Management alone is dangerous, but in combination with work and training its the best you can do. I still think management by itself is inherently dangerous though.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: PRETTY MUCH! Very expensive holiday indeed. I could have gone to visit europe on this amount, god damn dogs! For anyone who was curious, the drug they got a hold of was called Feldene.

Also sorry to stay OT! I was managing this behavior, no food on the benches when I went out! Unfortunately, to a Labrador, apparently pain killers are food.. I think managing a behaviour can be really dangerous, I slipped up Once. Only once. It landed both my dogs at the emergency vet. I'm so sad for what happened to you boys but wouldn't putting the meds up and safely away in cabinets prevented this? I've never had this problem, although never had a Lab, maybe having children makes me more careful with meds? I thought I was being careful though, nothing edible is left on benches. Riddick had been left out of his crate for 4 days in a row, nothing happened. I placed the meds above the bench, ontop of the microwave. Not even thinking that would equal in reach. But I was wrong. If I had addressed the issue when I first knew about it, rather than trying to tip toe around and manage it instead, this never would have happened. Thats what I mean about management being inherently dangerous. It relies too much on people being perfect. Yah, but how do you know when you only tried one thing? What happened to what's best for dog and handler? Now it's just what's best for you? Did Daisy think the e-collar was best? Assuming it was Daisy who was in trouble again. Rhetorical questions and I'm not picking on the method or you in particular, I'm trying to get people to think critically about their training decisions and why they make the ones they do and how they can tell it was a good decision after the fact. We have to be accountable at some point. On management... it's not inherently dangerous. Failed management is dangerous. I'd far rather depend on a leash and harness than a recall, but if the leash snaps I have good recalls to fall back on. Hopefully the leash won't snap! I've had prey animals in the same house as very predatory dogs. I factored in failed management and had two levels of management in place for the times when someone left a door open accidentally. Never had a close call. A couple of months ago Erik swallowed a fish hook attached to a couple of metres of fishing twine on the beach. Can't tell him to leave it if we didn't see him pick it up. The week before he had a tooth extracted after fracturing it on something or other. While we were overseas one of the dogs he was staying with took a piece out of his ear. Stuff happens. Failing to anticipate disaster is not a failure of management. It's just bad luck. Edited 'cause I'm tired and sick of it. Failed management is different than plain bad luck. I don't see failed management as bad luck. Its just human nature. No person is perfect. Every single one of us has done something silly, changed lanes without checking. Left the keys in the door and had to walk all the way back from the train station. Forgot our wallets at home. That's not bad luck, that's just part of being human. Nobody is perfect, management relies on perfection. Sometimes it might work yes. Then others it doesn't, and it ends in total disaster. Say you have a large aggressive dog, instead of taking this dog to a trainer because you don't like that idea, you decide to work around the aggression. You walk your dog at odd hours, you double bolt the gates with signs everywhere. The dog is in his crate whenever people are around. The list of management related ideas goes on. Then one day, 2 or 3 things go wrong. You're in a hurry, and you don't lock the gate properly. Then the delivery guy comes early while you're still out, got to enter the back gate, finding it only bolted but not locked. Your large dog gets out as someone is walking past with their toy poodle. Your large dog attacks and kills that poodle. Is that bad luck? Or management failing due to natural human error. Bad luck is being the poodle owner, who just happened to walk past at the wrong moment.

Just going to address this, I would argue it seriously depends what setting you have a collar on. I've held a few types on collars, including putting a bark collar to my own neck, always on the lowest setting, and honestly never felt anything worse than a static shock. The lowest setting on most e collars is just a vibration. EDIT: A friend has pointed out you may be talking about containment fencing, which works different to a regular ecollar.

From what I understand, its still not 100% sure what happened. The most likely scenario is that, if one of them did ingest the meds (which im 99% sure Riddick did, judging by the chewed packets), I got them to the vet in time for the fluids and other drugs to do their thing. They both had very full bellies which would have slowed down the meds somewhat and also protected their stomachs. They are large dogs, which also makes a difference. I have to take them to the vet again on thursday to get their bloods checked again, and probably in another 2 weeks again after that. They have to be watched carefully for any signs of stomach distress, incase there is unknown ulceration. So whilst these tests are clear, that could change in the next few weeks and the remaining drugs move through their system. They're out of immediate danger though! I'll talk to the vet when I go pick them up, to get more clarity on the situation. Right now Im just dancing a jig knowing they're ok and they get to come home!!!

Yep, house will get getting cleaned top to bottom over the next few days and they will not be left alone inside until I am 150000% sure everything is gone! Also will be addressing the reasons behind Riddicks sudden desire to bench surf when Im out of the house and eat things he never would otherwise, so this NEVER happens again. Thank god. I feel like I haven't breathed in 3 days. So relieved.

THE TESTS ARE CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Omg thank god thank f*cking god. They still have to be watched carefully in case of stomach issues, but omfg thankgod they're ok. The tests are clear. I get to pick them up this afternoon

Also sorry to stay OT! I was managing this behavior, no food on the benches when I went out! Unfortunately, to a Labrador, apparently pain killers are food.. I think managing a behaviour can be really dangerous, I slipped up Once. Only once. It landed both my dogs at the emergency vet.

IF they go down hill, it can happen fast.... havent stopped thinking of you guys, please keep us updated Yep, they're still on IV fluids until blood results prove that they can be taken off them. They seem fine, but that's with constant care, if there is something wrong that's not yet determined, they could easily crash very fast.

The boys are still doing well, but I won't get blood test results until tomorrow. So until then, it looks like they're doing ok, but I won't know. If the results show anything abnormal I'll have to keep them at the vet longer Fingers crossed for clear tests tomorrow and being allowed to bring my babies home. Keep your medicine securely locked up people. I'm pretty much going through my own personal version of hell right now, I don't want anyone joining me here

looking happy at the vet. epic cuddles Riddick fell asleep in my arms had to say goodbye

They both threw up last night and no drugs could be seen in their vomit which is bad because it means they dissolved into their system most likely. They are at the vet for 3 days on fluids. I've spoken to the vet and really it's a waiting game to see what the blood tests show, they are otherwise both very happy and wagging their tails this morning. But the vet said we wouldn't see any effects straight away, there is still a real danger. I'll be visiting them later on today and will update again later. Right now I just feel completely awful, had about 2 hours sleep and really wishing I had pet insurance. Which I don't.

Roscoe has thrown up so far. Just bone and some white/green stuff apparently. No tablets or packaging from the tablets. Still waiting for riddick to throw up.

Come home after a few hours out to find that my dogs had decided to get onto the bench and shred the contents. The main concern being the brand new packet of pain killers I was given by the doctor that morning. 4 out of 5 packets found, 3 of those completely chewed up and at least 20 tablets unaccounted for. Race to the emergency vet, dogs are taken off to be made to vomit (I'm guessing it was only riddick the Labrador, but I can't be 100% sure). Apparently the normal dose is 10ml for a dog. There are 20 ml in 1 tablet, and at Least 20 tablets missing. You do the math. If the drugs have got into Riddicks system, his kidneys could fail. He could potentially die. I literally do not know what I would do if that happened. I can't even begin to imagine. Sitting in the vet waiting room now. :( hopefully I got them here fast enough. Hopefully EDIT AND UPDATE: As of now, both boys are home safely :) Fingers crossed that everythings smooth sailing for here!

SOOOOooooooooooooooooo much! Oh god, your dog jumps up on you? DOMINANT!!! Your dog growls over food? DOMINANT!!!! Your dog attacks other dogs? DOMINANT!!!!

I won't be recommending the NDTF course to anyone ever again, with their horrible administration who are still messing me around 2 years after I finished to course. No way. And Delta is VERY one sided. So Steve and Vickis course is definitely the way to go in my opinion.

Some photos from the dock diving day can be seen Here! :D I was only there from about 2pm onwards, so didn't catch many dogs.

Some photos from the dock diving day can be seen Here! :D I was only there from about 2pm onwards, so didn't catch many dogs.

I can understand that, and I don't expect every dog to act perfectly. I do think there is a difference though, between saying "sorry, he reacted because of this reason" and doing your best to keep your dog under control. Instead of, "It's your fault my dog tried to bite yours, because he's entire. You should get him desexed." Especially when the entire dog in question is a puppy, on leash, behaving well. Or letting a small dog charge a large dog, attempt to bite him on the face, then blame the owner "its your fault your dog is a GSD, and my dog doesn't like them".