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lovemesideways

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  1. Maybe I find them because I don't keep my mouth shut? Like the guy who watched his dog take a enormous dump and then just walk off. I don't think he was pleased when I walked up behind him and shoved the bag of poo I had just picked up and not closed into his hand and said "Your dog did this :D! I think you missed it"
  2. Since this was just down the hill from the "dog day by the bay" event. My response was "Oh yeah? How about I go get one of the rangers from up there and ask them if its ok?" He huffed and puffed and then stormed away.
  3. Man at dog beach! Quote of the day. "If my dog wants to attack yours, he's allowed. Because it is a dog park!" I'm all for giving this guy the award, anyone have a contender for biggest idiot?
  4. http://www.pittwater.nsw.gov.au/local_serv..._day_by_the_bay So this is on tomorrow, weather is supposed to be lovely and I'm really looking forward to it ! Anyone else going?
  5. I have 2 black labs that I would be happy for you guys to use, Neither growl or bark on cue though. Being black with the correct lighting they can be menacing I suppose. Though I just see them as adorable
  6. This is an issue of mine also. I understand rescues are trying to do the best they can in making sure that dogs go to the right home after usually not a great start in life. My question is how many more dogs that could be saved, die in shelters because some rescues put conditions on their dogs that are going to be almost impossible to achieve? How many dogs miss out on great homes because of something tiny. I can imagine a rescue saying no to me, because our fences in the yard are not 6 foot. Or because I crate my dogs when going out. BTW don't forget that this is not all rescues, and I have met some awesome people and rescue organisations striving to do the right thing. (Snap dogmad!)
  7. Apparently labs are considered as fast to mature? Perhaps that is refering to physical growth though? Maybe, although they physically mature a bit later than some breeds too. Some labs are puppies forever (it's a gundog thing!! ) Even my older boy Rover when he's being all calm and grown up... hes still a complete doofus. I can't see a Labrador as Serious.
  8. "I killed someone’s family member tonight, and it could have been avoided." :rolleyes: RIP dog
  9. Riddick just grabbed the tennis ball and ran for it. Like WOOHOO BALL!!!! I had to call him back and point out the treat ;)
  10. Ok so I gave this a try with my boys. Rover. Showed him the biscuits, put them in the bowl, showed him bowl, then covered with towel and released him. Throws himself at it, shoves bowl violently with nose till it was out from under the towel and cleared. Elapsed time? About 3 seconds . Riddick. Showed him biscuits, placed in bowl, showed him bowl with biscuits, covered with towel and released him. Wanders over to towel, nudges with his nose... nudges again... comes and sits in heel position and gazes up at me. I ignored him..... then finally after about 20 seconds of gazing tell him to "Go get it!". He goes to towel... nudges some more.... sniffs... then wanders over to his mat to lay down. Rover mean time is whining and gazing at the towel with longing, so I release him. Throws himself at it, one sweep of the paw sends towel flying and he happily munches biscuits, then checks the towel to see if there are any more. Attempt 2. I thought, ok maybe if I try a higher value treat? So I got some salt and vinegar chips (riddick adores these) and placed them in bowl, put bowl down and covered with towel as he watches. Then release him too it. he wanders over, sniffs... nudges with his nose, nudges some more. Slowly manages to work his nose under the towel and find a chip that had fallen out of bowl and eat that. Then since his work was obviously done he goes back to his mat. I called him back again, 'Get it riddick!". he comes back, nudge nudge nudge with the nose. (Never once using his paws..) Eventually manages to find the bowl under the towel, at which point he sits and gazes up at me for permission. So I released him and he ate some of the chips, then went back to his mat. Released Rover, who throws himself at the bowl, licks it clean, then searches towel just in case. Attempt 3. I figured, all right obviously still not something he really wants, so I went and found his favourite toy, a quacking duck. Threw it for him a few times, then put it on ground and covered with towel. Released him. He was like a machine, shoving that towel and actually managing to roll the duck up in it, before finding it, and prancing around with his tail going crazy. Lesson learned? Well obviously Riddicks biggest drive is certainly not for food. Might have to try hiding myself under a blanket and see what he does. And Rovers drive for food is just too high
  11. Sounds like Pepper is letting the puppy know what manners are, , poor little munchkin must be having a bit of a shock to the system! Keep the updates coming. Oh and I loved the photo with Tango UNDER the blanket, you must get little quivers of happy every time he does that!
  12. No they where not, because not all GSDs are made for that kind of thing I agree, they don't all turn out with the required traits for protection work, but they are supposed to if the dog complies with the breed standards in one way or another. Crap I better return both my labradors then! Neither of them retrieve!! Oh wait, thats because they aren't from working dog lines, they're from guide dog lines. Just like my GSDs weren't from working dog lines, they where from show dog lines. Bred to be family pets and show dogs. No, that's not quite right, show dogs are supposed to be Schutzhund titled when bred by the book which is a working test to determine the correct traits. The difference is, though they may have had the potential for protection work, that is not what they where bred for, or purchased for. They never showed any sort of aggressive traits because they where fantastic dogs that where placed in the perfect home What exactly is the point you're trying to make? Other than adding the GSD to the BSL by constantly telling people they are supposed to be aggressive and its "the norm"? Heck Pitbulls are the least human aggressive dog around and they're on there, keep it up and I'm sure you new goal will be reached!
  13. My split personalities must be remarkably consistent! If it wasn't such a long drive I would be using Aidan2 to back up things Aidan said and vice-versa, "Yeah, awesome post Aidan2, you really hit the nail on the head!" "Thanks Aidan, I think your posts are brilliant too!" OT here, but just makes me think of B1 and B2 from bananas and pajamas
  14. No they where not, because not all GSDs are made for that kind of thing I agree, they don't all turn out with the required traits for protection work, but they are supposed to if the dog complies with the breed standards in one way or another. Crap I better return both my labradors then! Neither of them retrieve!! Oh wait, thats because they aren't from working dog lines, they're from guide dog lines. Just like my GSDs weren't from working dog lines, they where from show dog lines. Bred to be family pets and show dogs.
  15. No they where not, because not all GSDs are made for that kind of thing
  16. That is very sad to hear especially from someone wanting to become a trainer. Its worth having an open mind and learning from everyone you can even if you dont agree with everything they say. Do I want to be anywhere near someone who suggests choking a dog they have never met, to an owner they know nothing about? A dog that is walked on a halti by a small owner with a bad back... Yeah I think I'll pass..
  17. Then what's the problem? No one here has said, it should never ever be used at all full stop. The issues people had with what was posted was that it was being recommended as a guaranteed fool proof method on a dog the poster has never seen. I would run a mile from ANY trainer who told me to air block my aggressive dog as a first, only and best way of dealing with his aggression. Oh and sure those "couple" of posters are not the same ones, Jesomil? Ah yes, interesting hey how one vanishes, yet a new poster who has Never posted before returns to argue their case?
  18. welcome to DOL! Ignore all this really, go with whatever the trainer you pick says! Feel free to PM me if you like (Im not trainer, but I know a few ) I wouldn't exactly be crying myself to sleep at night if they don't come back
  19. It's a little more than that here. People are saying that one of the techniques being promoted is too potentially dangerous to recommend without direct knowledge of the dog and handler involved. OK as an emergency control measure in a crisis maybe, but grossly irresponsible to recommend as a training technique sight unseen. They are saying the advice could get the handler or the dog seriously hurt. And that is more than a disagreement over technique, that's a disagreement over duty of care and personal responsibility. The other theme I read in this thread is that GSDs are different to other breeds, that dominance and sharpness are desirable characteristics in a good GSD, and therefore only experienced GSD trainers can handle what the breed 'experts' on here see as typical GSD adolescent aggression. The message is that aggression is so common and so stereotypical in GSDs that ways to manage it can be reliably prescribed over the internet, by GSD trainers only and again sight unseen, and they need to be very forceful methods indeed. I don't buy that last argument, but it's the most convincing damn argument for restrictions on the ownership of a particular breed I have heard for a long time, given that it comes from people claiming decades of breed experience. I'm saddened that a breed community that has been through that once isn't more careful in how it presents itself. The GSD is a guardian breed and yes aggressive traits necessary to fulfil such a role do surface. The problem is, traits of aggression are often not talked about and even a breeder who has lovely dogs behave that way because they have the experience to raise, train and handle them properly and make a nice pet out of them. Give the same dog as a pup to an inexperienced owner who doesn't realise that certain behaviours need to be nipped in the bud to shape the dog into a pet home, the same dog can be a total nightmare for the inexperienced where the same dog for an experinced home would be dream pet. I could say the same thing about both of my dogs. Neither are GSDs. Riddick could have become incredibly fear aggressive towards people, Easy. Especially children.
  20. Funny that you completely ignore the part where I mentioned a guy hanging his own dog on a lead and it taking a piece out of him. Guess it wouldn't be as easy to be snarky if you actually replied to everything huh ? Woops! Great post. People can't have it both ways - a lot of GSD fanciers would be suprised and upset that aggression was considered "normal" and "typical" of their breed? Next time someone posts "Is a GSD right for me?" or similar they should get directed to this thread? Reading the breed standard - and not being a show/breeder type person I'm not an expert on these things - aggression of any kind would be a fault, certainly not normal? Even for a working dog, "aggression" needs to be controlled and not "I'm gunno kill the next fluffy that walks past"? The OP is seeing a behaviourist, that is great. Behaviourists aren't luxuries when dealing with aggression. The only sound advice while waiting to see one is to muzzle the dog or keep them on your own property 24/7. Anything else can end in tears (usually for the smaller dog). Poodlefan - some people seem to be very hung up on the fact that you own - gasp - poodles. They can't seem to look beyond that and listen to your advice. Maybe a change in name is required? GSDLover, RottieLady or something similar? Maybe then they can look past their prejudices and read the advice for what it is . Just like I have labradors, so obviously I can't handle a "real dog" ;D! I second the name change Poodlefan, you need something more hardcore obviously. Like "FullySIckDOgFigHTERss!!" And there's a very good chance he'd not have made the grade. I live next door to the head of a police dog team and I know how many dogs they look at before they find one that will suit. Lots of GSD's lack the nerve and drive and soundness to work for a living. This is not news to anyone I thought. I made that comment to highlight that the dog is a working breed and "may" have working traits which many do. Often people believe because a working breed is purchased for a pet, that working traits will be non existant which is not true and often leads IMHO to incorrect training techniques. I have seen many pet trainers refuse to leash correct a GSD because they had a Golden Retriever shut down from a correction using the basis that the GSD being a pet shouldn't need a leash correction, or because it is a pet, it will shut down as a result. I Have seen GSDs shut down as result of a correction. Friend of mine took his boy Lobo into a GSD training class. Lobo was so anti check chain that he would flat out shut down. Refuse to move, cower, ect. He started from the beginning on a normal flat collar now has a great dog. Excuse me, are you saying that some of the trainers on this thread are incapable of working with GSDs on the basis of tools they may or may not use depending on the individual dog and/or client? OK, I sometimes use harnesses. Are you saying that I am incompetent with GSDs because of this and that I misrepresent myself as a trainer? Have you got any evidence to prove this? I can't comment on others capablilities here Aidan having never seen their work and would be wrong of me to do so. You are welcome to use a harness if you like them or any other tools and methods you wish to use. The people that do train GSD's on halti's, harnessess and refuse to physically correct them as I mentioned, I am yet to see these training methods and tools produce a dog that I consider has good, relaible behaviour. But what you consider good and what I may expect could be a competely different thing we are focusing on. I have seen some excellent harness work whilst it is on the dog. That's no good for me needing a dog to work off leash for example. Garry Mentioned previously, we've always had GSDs until our current dogs. Never used any sort of check chain, just regular flat collar and lead. Great dogs, perfect heel, perfect recall, would stay happily on their mats all day. Could be eating a raw meaty bone and any child/person/dog/animal in the world could come up and take it off them. Our cat would go and pin them down for an ear cleaning. GSDs we owned before that, recall was so good they could be in full flight after a rabbit, one word and they would spin and return. Dad taught them to leap the 6 metre fence out back (this is 15 or so years ago mind you) and one day they leaped over it, to go and greet our neighbour (little old lady) coming home with her shopping. She gave them both a pat, and sent them home over the fence. Never had any problems with aggression, never had issues with small dogs. We used to have my sister in laws Pug come over and play with our guys, they loved it. I think saying that someone can't train a GSD without physical correction shows your ignorance. Same as believing that because the GSD are used as working dogs means that EVERY GSD could be a working dog is ridiculous.
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