NoodleNut

Hi! I also started a thread asking about chicken frames ... you might like to have a read if you haven't already .. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=chicken+frames or just look under Health/Nutrition/Grooming for my thread "Chicken Frames"

I haven't heard that one .... I give them to her frozen because; a. It slows down her eating b. in this hot weather it keeps them fresher c. I always did that when she was getting her new teeth as a pup (also gave her chicken necks to slow her eating down .. until she swallowed one whole!! NO MORE CHICKEN NECKS!! SCARED THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ME WITH HER CHOKING ON IT!! See what other DOLers have to say about the frozen idea ... I will be interested int he comments myself.

Yuck smelly doggie breath ..... ewwwwww! :shakehead: Thanks one and all ..... I agree with the comments that it is a load of rot. Yes, there is the occassional case of a dog being malnorished from only eating chicken bones .. I am into a balanced diet with the kibble and the raw fruit and veg and it is working for me. There is risks in everything really. I prefer her to have nice white teeth than to have calc all over them and have to have her undergo an anaesthetic to get it all off! Yucko let alone $$$$ My sister's toy poodle has had theat done. Looks like my mums CKC is going to head along the same route .. apparently the pet shop person has more knowledge than me who reads copious books and asks questions to knowledgable others and my breeder. Bet the pet shop owner wouldn't even know what breed my dog was if I walked through the door! I did soooo much research over 4 months before buying Noodle and then spent 6 onths visiting the breeder before Noodle was even conceived .. I am sure I was a breeder's worst nightmare ... BUT... I now what I have in my furry family member :rolleyes: Went to vet this morning (immunisation due and to get more heart guard tablets) and the vet was most impressed with her (physically and temperamentally ... big sook .. she didn't like the second jab though ... wimpered .. poor sweet ). The vet is fine with me giving her chicken frames and said there is the occassional dog that gets a bone stuck in their throat etc but it is VERY rare. I think mum is also scar'd from the fact that our family dog got a perforated bowel from cooked bones my grandmother gave him when we were away one time .... we were most unimpressed .. grandma ignored our instructions NOT to give him cooked bone and she did saying her dogs used to have them ... $$$ later and major surgery he was fine but it was touch and go. Thanks again everyone! Hopefully we wont have problems with Noodle and chicken bones.

Coat is now 'coped with' by the purchase of a coat .. got it this evening. I know everyone is going to laugh at training BUT they don't have to spend 3 hours or so washing and then picking out bits of leaf matter and twigs out of her coat!! At the moment Noodle is 'drip drying' in her pen after baths .. great weather for bathing a Puli. Noodle's cords are not mature (she is only 14 onths old) so still has some frizzy bits which are like velcro to any plant matter or bark chips!

Hi Gretel .....Yes, I can well imagine she might have sold mum some food .. never thought to ask that question.... mum believed her though about th chicken frames ... made me very annoyed becasue I had never heard such a thing. Mum is at least giving her pup apples though at my suggestion .. my Noo ADORES her apple which she shares with our ten year old and my hubby ... very funny to watch.

Hi All, I was speaking to my mother yesterday (they have a CKC pup) in Adelaide and she was told by a owner of a petshop (I grimace already at the mear mention of a petshop .. I did manage to convince her to buy their pup from a breeder though ) that they should not feed their dog chicken frames as the bone builds up in the dogs body. I have NEVER heard of this before so thought I had better check out all DOLers perspectives. The petshop owner said it shortens the life of the dog because of the build up of bone in the dog's system. What the?? Noodle was in kenel for a couple of weeks while we were interstate and was fed Eagle Pack while we were away and still managed to get some tartar build up on her teeth. Since being home she has had a chicken frame nearly every day (frozen) and then her dry food at night (combination of Advance, Eagle Pack and Pro Plan) as well as her one cut up apple and a carrot every second day. Noodles' teeth are as white as the driven snow now! So should I not be giving her chicken frames? My gut instinct is that this advice is a load of baloney but ... thought I had better ask ...... Here is a photo of my gorgeous Noodle ... any opportunity to brag LOL

Here is my Fluppies coat!! Woohoo .. this should cut the grooming down by half on training days! Woohoo. it is made of a stretch cotton (less chance of getting bits sticking to it and being damaged. Noodle also has the same in a lycra for the beach ... should stop at least some sand from getting all over her in the cooler months.

I think I found it!!!! Woohooo ... not cheap ... I have contacted them and awaiting some further information about shipping costs, sizing and durability of the Hurtta waterproof Pro overalls and the Hurtta Waterproof Sport Overalls. I so hope this might be the answer after spending another 3 hours yesterday washing and picking bits out of my Puli's coat after training .... can't keep this up. http://www.camddwrcanine.co.uk/xcart/produ...at=0&page=1 http://www.camddwrcanine.co.uk/xcart/produ...at=0&page=1 http://www.camddwrcanine.co.uk/xcart/manuf...nufacturerid=15

Hi Squeak,... yes it is Fluppies that I have ordered from actually (Nadine is a great help).... I have ordered two, one in the lycra and one in a jersey ... they also have good coverage. I just also like the waterproof and breathability of the Hurtta overalls and wondered if there was anything similar here in Australia or where you can get the Hurtta coats from/others experiences with them. Hopefully wont have to do as much grooming after training with one of the Fluppies on.

Hi, I am posting here (under grooming), the Puli site and the General Dog Site in the hope of some responses. Hope that is not against the rules but I figured only Puli people will go into that list ... Noodle is attending obedience classes and coming home covered in leaf litter and sticks ..... Here is her picture so it will give you some idea of what I have to deal with EVERY weekend after training ... 1 hours of training + 4hours of grooming to pick all the bits out. Yes, this is a hazard with a Hungarian Puli but I wouldn't swap her for the world .... gorgous girl. I found this dog coat online and would love to know if anyone out there has a coat the same or similar that they use to keep their long haired breeds clean. http://www.hurttacollection.com/products?a...p;product_id=75 The coat fulfils every criteria I want in a coat; covers the the legs (the plant matter sticks like VELCRO!), covers the tummy, light, hardier than just a lycra or fabric coat, waterproof and breathable and big enought to be able to vbe still active. Would also be great down at the beach to prevent sand and seaweed What have any of you go by way of coats and fulfilling this 'criteria' I have ordered two lycra suits fo Noodle but I fear they wont have the durability that a suit like this one would have.

Good suggestions Willow .. this is exactly what we do and walking our dog very early in the mornings on newly washed sand (clean ...no doggy do left from unscrupulous owners either LOL) when there are less people of the beach (and this equals less distractions) is also great .. or later in the evening. If you are lucky you will also find another owner with a responsibly trained dog that you will be able to allow yours to play with. Here is Noodle as a very young pup on the tracking lead at the beach and another of her full grown about a month ago. PS Our dog has NO food drive so BBQ chicken doesn't work .......

I would have to agree with other DOLers on this one. We have a Puli (just turned 1 year old) and like you is not 100% in her recall. When going to the beach I put her on a tracking lead (Black Dog have tracking leads online that you could order or make up one of your own). Secondly our Noodle LOVES attention from anyone! This may be a good thing but I know from first hand experience with extended family members with three young children that are TERRIFIED to the point of HYSTERICAL at ANY dog of ANY age and ANY breed (a complete other story ... groan) ..... they would not greet your or any other dog well on the beach ... needless to say a nasty interaction. On that note I wish kindergartens and schools would do more education about interacting with animals (in every state/territory).. and parents too for that matter! It makes my blood boil to see such behaviour from children and a comment from a parent of 'get over it' ....... Go the lead ... and continue the training ...

Hi! Sorry for being a bit thick but what is 'EB'?? Just sat through a two hour school council meeting and have our youngest sick with an ear infection so I am feeling none to bright this evening. Nup ... wrong ... not a Newfie .. a Hungarian Puli!!!! Only 14" off the ground and doesn't shed hair so no problems having her in the house. She is just starting to 'cord' (dreadlocks) ... check out the piccies on the Breed Specific thread under 'PULI!' for more pictures of the breed. Good to hear all is going well with both bubs Noodle still occassionally wees on the carpet in the study ... my theory is she thinks it is grass! It is brand spaking new carpet too so no smells at all...... it only very occassioanlly happens but no where else in the house but there .... usually if she is in the study when our son is out there on the computer and not watching her ... gives me the irrits! Not Noodle's fault.... Here are some pictures of where Noodle's crate was in the kitchen when she was really little ... surrounded by a pen .. only there when we could not watch her constantly and at night. The there is a photos of what she sleeps in now in the kitchen .. just teh crate .. and then sitting on our 6yr old's lap.

Hi Redmum! Sounds like you are doing really well. We put our pup in the crate from the day we got her at night and toileted about every three hours for what seemed like MONTHS!! ... EXHAUSTING!! Up there with demand breastfeeding I reckon! I thought it would never end! Once Noodle was toileted at 11pm and put in her crate (in the kitchen which is literally the centre of our house) I ignored her. Very very hard at the start ... I tried crating her for a couple of hours intially on a Friday night and went shopping with the family as she would put up a right royal din! This way I didn't get stressed about the noise and she learnt that the noise was pointless. I would give her a frozen chicken neck when she was really little (your pup's age) to gnaw on. Our Noodle was also in a pen in the kitchen too initially for about 2 weeks (not 24/7!) to give her time to get used to the noises etc ....she would go in there when I couldn't watch her or the kids while I was making dinner for example or the kids were too hyped or SHE was too hyped and needed quiet time. Once Noodle was more obvious with her toileting needs she went on a lead attached to the kitchen drawers (kitchen is the centre of the house and a hive of activity) ... in the mornings when the kids got up as we needed to teach her not to jump up and the kids could easily control their behaviour of turning their backs on her and she could not physically get to them as they would stand just out of her range. They learnt to issue the 'sit' command and THEY learnt how to control their own behaviour as often that excited Noodle..... for us this worked well. The lead again was when we needed to closely monitor/control her behaviour or we couldn't watch her (ie kids and I off having a shower and not wanting her to lick us dry!! LOL) Noodle is now not on a lead (since 5 months) in the house and follows us (her pack) around wanting to be were we are .. it is great as she also does not jup up when she gets excited to see one of us walking through the front door and can contain her enthusiasm to put her butt and four paws on the floor waiting for a pat. Noodle is also outside when we are out with plenty of toys and more often than not inside keeping us company. Noodle heads into her crate at about 10:30ish and we don't hear from her until 6:30/7pm now ... she is nearly 9 months old. Yes, we have been strict with her but we have also got the behaviour we wanted from her ... jumping is a big 'no no' as I have a young neice and nephew apart from it being an undesirable behaviour full stop. For us it has been 'training' the kids too ... they are fabulous with her now! Noodle loves nothing more than curling up on our daughter's lap with a raw hide to chew or playing rough and tumble with our son. Good luck with your pup - I can only imagine how hard it is with a bub as well .. I honestly thought I had another newborn in the house when we bought Noodle home!! At leas the bub wears nappies!! grin........ can you tell I am well and truly over the puppy poo ???

I must admit the the balls I use for fetch are kept inside by me .. should see her when I walk out the door with one of them ... she gets so excited as she knows it is a play and it doesn't happen every day so it is even more a treat! I think in the first instance I will try the ball/toy idea for the recall .. her green ball X dumbell will be perfect but I think I will get two in case she decides that 'staying away' is more fun than bringing it back to me. I have read all the posts about the tug games ... I need a couple or nights to do a bit ore reading and thinking as my gut feeling is I am still not sure ... please don't be offended .. just need to reconsider as it is against what I have read and been told. I do remember my breeder saying that tug of war was fine as long as I took the toy EVERY time ... that is against some of your advice too .... hmmmm ...... need to think this one through and read the references one of you gave me. Thank you for all of your thoughts and suggestions .. got to get out there and give a few a goa nd see if I get some sort of positive response so that I can really hone in on that one.

I looked at your ID and thought OH was online (same name and initial!!) ... if it was I would expect he would have told me the answers LOL Good ideas on the lead going to her ... will have to try this one out too. I liked the idea of timing out ... think this would have a lot of merit with Noodle. She loves being with us ... adores going in the car too. Thanks so much for the ideas all of you .... I have been really stuck as the books/articles I read and purchased before and after we got her seemed to assume our dog would have a food drive (groan) not her ... I listened to a friend of mine today whose cocker spaniel will do anything for her for any sort of food. Maybe it is a family thing with our dogs ... our last dog a Sibe also had no interest in food. Someone suggested playing tug with her. I had read that playing tug is not a good thing for a family with children so I have discouraged it as it tends to encourage win and loose and I did not want a problem with dominance when I have a 10 year old ad a 6 year old. Noodle does play tug on her own with an Aussie Dog toy that I hang out when I head to work ... she adores playing with that! Our 10 year old loves playing 'ruff and tumble' and throwing her ball with her on the back lawn and she loves playing 'chase me' with hubby and our son .. I am unsure if this is a good thing though and would go against my recall training? Thoughts? Noodle has shown no signs of aggression although I have told her off once or twice ..... she took a sock off the clothes airer the other night and I caught her in the act! When I asked her to give she dropped it so that training must have worked. Just need to get this sorted out

Hi Jigsaw, I use a very high pitch 'Nooodle Noooodle Noodle" and it is very fast and try to make it as exciting as possible. I did try to use 'Come' but it gets a very deadpan look from her and she shows absolutely no interest .. I tried it too with hands in teh air as I have seen some trainers do as I thought this might help ... nope Noodle understands my signed commands with or without verbal commands .. ie. sit is my hand on my chest and she does this 99.9% of the time that I ask her (like putting on her lead, letting her in and out of the back door, before meals, any time I want her too ... very successful). Drop is finger to the ground and I get success 95% of the time with this. Roll over is the hand up and over the head (98% of the time .. with the kids too), shake hands is just hold my hand out and it is also 98% of the time ... all great, successsful. Taught with tiny bits of cheese but the recall just doesn't cut it with the shaved cheese. I don't use any food rewards with the other cues and get these successes with affection as a reward or walks etc. I like the idea of the lure .. that might just work as she does love to run ... should have seen her after a JRT the other day ... talk about fast! She was nearly skidding her whole side on the grass! Two 'wheels' off the ground!! I will try that one this weekend and see how we go.

quote] As far as reinforcement options, some possibilities include you running, especially if you zig zag and (pretend to) deliberately run away from her. This will often really switch a herding dog on (try to behave like a sheep or a running dog). I do this with my dog, even if I haven't actually called him, wait for him to get almost to me then take off. I wouldn't do too many zig zags though, some herding dogs get a bit snappy if their 'sheep' doesn't do what it's asked. You can also use it before she approaches you to establish an association of 'come'=fast running away owner(=big game). I like this idea .. I have tried running away from her and she does come running after me ... obviously appealing to her drive. Does she like toys? because as she comes up to you, showing her a ball and then throwing it in the direction she's running (so that she doesn't have to slow down to follow it) can speed up the recall. Yes she has a couple of balls she enjoys chasing but I would have to have two and one on me at all times as she is not reliable in coming back ... see my response to food quesiton .... Do you quickly release her once she comes to you most times? Because that is often the best reward possible. Yes When you put a food reward in front of her nose, does she usually take it? Usually not interested at all and I have used LOTS of things and also not given her food before obedience or outings to try and increase the food drive but to no avail.I tried giving her food rewards for recall with a ball that she loves to chase but she often turns up her nose and still does not come .. I turn on my heels and go inside .. no game unless she comes .... she ususally comes runing then if she thinks I am not going to play with her .. she then drops te ball and I can go back to playing if not I disappear inside .. I do not chase her. And after you use the lead to get her to come to you, how do you then try to reward her? Usually with food, verbal praise and 100% of the time throw her ball for her to run and get and bring back ... not always successful though. I actually wonder whether there is something else going on here, and that rather than it simply being that you haven't yet found things that genuinely reinforce her behaviour, she has not actually had a chance to learn the behaviour yet. Reeling a dog in for eg will be counter-productive in most cases - it doesn't teach them the behaviour you want and makes them more likely to avoid coming close. I would be working in a structured way, starting by associating a position close to you with the 'come' cue and rewards (of whatever kind), gradually adding distance, calling from short distances and when she's likely to respond so that you build a strong reinforcement history, working on this behaviour under calm conditions (not when she's at the park), etc. Yes, we work on these tasks int he back yard or at the local school oval without other dogs/people around to distract her.

Hi! I have just searched the site for this exact topic and this thread appeared. We have a 7 month old Hungarian Puli with terrible recall .. her sits, drops, roll overs, shake hands (I know the last two have little importance ) are great ... she loves chasing and retrieving balls/dumbells and is very social with humans and other dogs ... all fabulous traits and we are very proud of her and our efforts in this regard. Fully crate trained at night and toilet trained so we have to look on the bright side of her development except for this one 'thorn in our side'. I have tried recall on an 11m tracking lead with cheese/cabana/cooked chicken ... etc etc etc as the reward .... result :....."Sorry mum ain't coming as other things are more interesting" ... yep, reeled her in ... again and again.............. and again ..... no sign of improvement (just sore wrists from me reeling her in . Her loose lead walking is coming along nicely may I say .... no food rewards only verbal commands and praise and she looks up at me in the face (yep from under all of that hair) as if to say "Am I doing good mum?"..... just the recall is not working. Can I add the loose lead walking is also getting better with distraction of other dogs too which is great. By the way recall in the cricket nets ot in the basketball courts at obedience she is A+++!! Mind you she gets ultra hyped when every other dog goes before her! She wants to run when they are called .... to THEIR owner! I think the running dog is the drive factor for her though ..... she must think the other breeds are 'deformed sheep' ready for her to herd!! So,...ideas for the positive 'reinforcement' please? Food is of no interest to her. I so want her to be able to play off lead down at the park .... she is a great little girl that is very social and LOVES to run.

Oh LOVELY!! :p Jedi ate some duck poo today at the park... Thankfully he knows "give" (ie. spit that out of your mouth NOW!). That's pretty cruel!! Getting her to give up duck poo!! Delicacy!! Noodle LOVES the odd duck poo, rabbit droppings ... ooooohhh yummy ... lovely little appetizer! Perhaps we need a thread on the worst thing your dog has eaten Mind you ... I am impressed with your obedience training of Jedi .. we just stick to giving the dumbell, ball or toys ... not her own half eaten poo!

Yeah! that did cross my mind .. better than poo breath though!! She used to eat her own faeces! Fortunately grown out of that little DISGUSTING habit!

Hi Trish!! Yes, it must be the name Noodle!! I have gone off the chicken necks as she swallowed one whole!!! Nearly choked! Guts!! I will only give her one now if I have my eyes on her for the entire time she has it to make sure she chews it .. the frozen one Iwas giving her she would hide away in the backyard and it would resurface a lovely shade of black a few days later when teh Noo thought it was 'cooked' enough and to her liking :rolleyes: Next time I am over your way we will have to get the Noodles together!! Sounds like from all the postings cutting down to 2 or even one meal a day and doing what others have suggested and leaving it down only a short time is the way to go with her. I like the idea of the sardines .. have to give that a go .. she is not keen on tuna .. been there and done that. Noo' s coat seems to be changing ... I bathed her yesterday and her 'curls' are getting much tighter and the back end is getting a little 'fuzzy' ... looks like her cords are on their way .... arghhhh!! Hope this is going to be ok ... I am aware the next 12 months could be 'interesting'. Have you had your Noodle's coat clipped yet? DIY or at a groomers? How did it go? (sorry, off topic .. you can PM if you like or whack it up here ... my thread Karen

Ahh,... looks like the 'tough love' approach is in order .. thanks guys .. see how I go .. no chews?!! Arghhhhh :rolleyes: Well, if that is what it takes that is what it takes PS: She wolfed down her midday meal so ... see what happens tonight ...... fuss pot!

Hi, Just wanted to know if anyone has ever had a 6mth old pup go off their food? I am trying to work out if Noodle is just being downright fussy or what?? In short Ate well after she was speyed three weeks ago. Started not wanting her food about a week ago after stitches cam out .. needs lots of coaxing (my putting some on a spoon and holding up near her mouth ..she still doesn't eat 'heartily'/enjoyably' if you know what I mean) to eat it. Does not eat three meals per day and I am feeding one at night to try and stimulate her apetite.... still needs lots of coaxing. When I had her weighed at the vet last weekend she had put on a heap of weight (8.4 to 9.7kg in two weeks). Feeding the same ... chicken mince mixed with dry Eagle Pack mixed with Advance Puppy. (refuses to eat kibble on its own. Is eating dog biscuits (not keen on Eagle Pack biscuits but enjoys the Science Diet puppy biscuits) Chews her normal hides etc. Playing normally .. no change in her disposition. ate some apple tonight and a bit of carrot .. still enjoying these. She does not have a strong food drive at the best of times .. only grated cheese turns her 'on'. The breeder is of the opinion that Noodle may have nearly reached her adult height (she is 14" and female Puli grow between 14" - 16.5") as she was on the small side. So my questions are .. Is she being incredibly fussy? If so, how do I respolve this? My thought is to bring out the bowl, put it down for 15 mintes and remove it and relace at lunch and same at dinner ... no coaxing. If I do this will I end up doing this for 48hours before she relents and eats? Would her growth already becoming more stable have an impact on her eating (ie less needs?) Any advice would be helpful.

My puppies are kept mainly outside until I decide which ones I'm going to run on, the keepers then come inside for short periods during the day and are crated inside overnight and by the time they are 6 months old they have free run of the house and yard. All my dogs are crate trained, but they spend long periods of time outside during the day, I never crate them during the day unless it's absolutely necessary. They get a walk every morning and a period of free running at the park, but if I attempted to confine them for most of the day they'd go stir crazy. They like to lounge around inside, but they also like to go outside to run around and play, stalk a few birds, check out the neighbouring dogs and maybe lie in the sun for a while, I just don't think it's fair to keep an active breed like a setter cooped up in the house all day. Every dog I own is settled and quiet, I have 6 dogs here at the moment so it can't be any other way. For what it is worth .. my Noodle was in a pen inside for the first couple of weeks we got her (at 8weeks) with the crateenclosed in the pen and then another pen outside for another two and she went back and forth for the first month (+plus play sessions, in the car etc) .. then the pen was taken away (allowed to explore once she got used to her surrounding) and she is crated at night only ... and very occassionally during the day for a couple of hours if it is pouring with rain (she is a crazy pup and SITS in the pouring rain!!! or (like Feb/March) a stinking hot 39/40 degree day when it was cooler inside). Noodle is now 6 months and 50% of the time that she is inside she is on a very long lead in the kitchen/family room (near us).. reducing this time as she becomes more responsive to where she is allowed to go in the house and us being able to keep an eye on her. Noodle is outside a lot of the day too .. depending on where we are .. still only crated at night - works well for us. I wanted Noodle to feel comfotable about being on her own as we can't be with her 24/7 and I wanted her to have some independence and not suffer separation anxiety.