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That is actually cheap comparing to some prices I have seen.

Meh. Another American politically correct message coming from a below average actress. I found this stupid and boring. And most definitely not funny.

Since most of the posters in this thread don't state what is their breed, it is a lot of fun figuring out what breeds are they talking about.:D

Go Toy Poodles!

Bruno doesn't want to catch as well. He actually moves out of way so it doesn't hit him. And then after thorough inspection eats it or not.

They are close second to me too. Borzoi is my favourite.

You mean timid. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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This is true but as long as there are some places which allow dogs and some which dont where is the problem? Surely as long as the establishments can comply with health regs etc it should be up to them . Surely at law business owners have a right to establish who their target market is and operate their businesses which is best suited to them bringing in trade. If no one likes dogs on their turf and they are losing customers because of it they can decide whether they want them their or not . If they want dog owners and the guy down the street wants non dog owners dont they have a right as australian businesses to decide that without council intervention? As I said assuming its all done via health regs why is a council involved in this - looks like restriction of trade to me. Personally I dont like other people's dogs being where I want to have a cuppa but its my choice as to whether I go there or not and the business will sort out their own supply and demand factors. Got me buggered why its a council issue. If people do support them then no one will go where the dogs are allowed and the businesses will either suffer or not. Taking away the freedom of the consumer and the business to decide seems to be a bit like asking for fight. Don't get me wrong, I quite agree with you. I am just saying that IMO, we are in minority. So the fight is not the best choice, but educated and argumented discussion may be.

I believe they act this way simply because they think that majority of the people would support this. And I am afraid that may be just right, regardless what we on this forum think.

If only it's that simple.

That's exactly what I said the other day, but the response I got was not really friendly.

I have already answered the question about the fate of the animals. They will be sent to abattoirs and slaughtered. If they re start the abattoir in the NT then they will be transported there although that will take awhile. Otherwise they will be transported. They wont be left to starve. Australians wouldnt do that. I honestly hope you are right. You certainly seem more informed than most of the local politicians here.

That's all fine. You can challenge my information and opinion. I have no problem with that. Free country and all. However, I would just like to point that nobody answered my original question about the immediate future of these animals and their producers. I must admit, I would be the most surprised if anybody did, because all of the federal and local politicians, representatives of the industry etc. seem to have no idea.

Thanks for the response. Yes, that's what people think. But, as I said in my post there is no market for packaged product. At least not in those quantities. Indonesia can not and won't buy it. And the global markets for packaged meat are very limited. Please tell us how you arrived at your informed decision? I just listened to several market analyses on the topic that took place in last week or so. As for Indonesia, it is quite simple. Many places there have no refrigerating facilites, so frozen or packaged meat is impossible to be transported and stored.

The processed meat industry in Australia is actually alive and kicking. The abattoir I work for( a Qld export award winner) exports meat to 35 Countries around the world. The animals that are not being exported will be transported to abattoirs to be killed. The meat processed will be sold in Australia and the processed meat will either be chilled or frozen and exported. The market will experience a glut for the immediate future but this is expected to even out. In the wake of the Japan earthquake where thousands of people lost their lives many abbatoir workers were worried about the drop in trade. But in the big picture there are millions of people out there in the world who eat beef. They will stil continue to eat beef. Australia supplies many Countries with processed beef, humanely killed. Why dont we keep it that way. Please explain further your comments highlighted. As far as I know, Indonesia is buying about 75% of Australian beef. All other markets you are referring to are not nearly at the same magnitude. There were few analyses in various media recently about the future of Australian beef production and impact this whole episode may have on it. To put it simply they were not good. As for animals currently in the limbo, here in NT they don't know what to do with them because nobody wants them. Who is going to feed them, and what abattoirs are you talking about? There are none here. Who is going to pay for the transport? Don't get me wrong, I am against cruelty to any living creature as anybody else. I just want to point there are no simple solutions as many people seem to believe. Like, just ban live export and everything is going to be fabulous.

Thanks for the response. Yes, that's what people think. But, as I said in my post there is no market for packaged product. At least not in those quantities. Indonesia can not and won't buy it. And the global markets for packaged meat are very limited.

It is easy and logical thing supporting ban on live export. Too easy I think. However, I am yet to hear any meaningful explanation what is this country going to do with all this animals right now. There are thousands of animals waiting for transport at this very moment. Their producers don't want them back. They can't be exported. So, what will happen with them? If they go into local production and local markets that could permanently damage the industry which has so far been essential for this country's wellbeing. Also, what is banning of live export going to do to the industry as a whole? There is no market for processed meat, especially not in countries that are traditional buyers of Australian meat. Do you all suggest that Australia should simply stop breeding animals for meat?

I was the same. I thought poodles are sissies. And then we got our brown standard and he is just perfect in every way. Smart, playful, no aggression. Fantastic. I would get another poodle any time. Oh, and he is definitely not a sissy.

Is that time again? The same thing appears every six months or so for last few years. This mulch is not sold in Australia, so no need to panic. Have fun.

Interestingly enough, labradoodles show more inherited diseases that standard poodles or labradors.

Most standard poodle - lab crosses that I have seen are way bigger than medium. Some of them are huge. And their temperament is anything but even. They sell because public thinks they are cool. And they think that because they are cleverly advertised. As for buyers keep going back for more, maybe but only after they dumped the old ones. BTW, you can sell people anything if you are smart enough.

Thanks. I must admit, it makes sense now.

Few things really. I don't know much about the dalmatians, but I can't believe there are no lines anywhere in the world without those mutant genes. If they exist, why not use these instead of another breed? Second, where do you put the line. If breeders are allowed to use whatever other breed they want, where it will end? To be honest this dog looks every bit dalmatian to me, but again I am no expert. Last, I thought that brown spots are allowed in dalmatian standard.

Rude or not, ranger could fine you. You may argue the wording, but you would lose (IMO of course). In my opinion the dog being in the water would still get you fined, but I may be wrong. There must be a dog designated beach in Rockingham that you can use and not test the Council's determination in getting dogs off the beach.