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Time definitely has flown ! WOW it blows me away when i see her.

CONGRATULATIONS!!! omg they are gorgeous!!! One breed i truly love... Looking forward to seeing them as they grow

Gorgeous photo! They look very snug together there!

WOW she looks great! OMG already two years soon.. wow!! time flies!

WOW from photo thread to ..... off topic hehe Alasse all i can say is you have one gorgeous girl there! She is lovely you have done GREAT with her training to date and you have a lovely girl which turns heads no matter where you go! ALL i can say is GOOD ON YOU!! for taking YOUR PET OUT for a walk when you've hurt your back.. most people dont think about their animals when injured let alone anything but themselves... well done.. i know how responsible you are and i certainly have met Nika and you together and she's a brilliantly behaved girl! She is all about pleasing you and being as close to you as possible! I understand what is meant about neck pain and damage to dogs but this certainly dont apply to you! oh and just to throw in i agree with K9Nev... put a halti on a dog in different kind of training and yep you are told to remove it! I personally dont agree with them.. have tried them and dont like them.. but each to their own.. BUT back to topic... Alasse she's stunning you've done a brilliant job with her! You should be SOOO proud!

I was one of them, and I stand by my suggestion to him. I think Midol is heading in the right direction with his pup and I am very pleased with the progress he is having with Montu’s training. I was the one who put Midol in contact with his dog’s breeder, I was also the person who put Midol in contact with an appropriate trainer in QLD to assist him with raising and training his dog for protection work. I have no issues with the way Midol has been training his pup so far, and I do not see why anyone else should be having any. Jeff you know how much i respect you and knowing you say this.. well then i will back down Sorry Midol... but Jeff has WAY more experience then i do and i know Jeff is your mentor.. Thank you Jeff this makes me rest assure! Erny Not a problem!! hard to explain correctly here.. without verbal comms

thank you Erny about to ask the same question! sounds like Seperation anxiety to me more then bonding...

The above indicating that you believe an e-collar is the worse thing by comparison to a check or Pressure Point Collar (PPCollar) aka 'prong' collar? Why do you think that? ETA: Emphasis of my question is not about whether they should be used on pups - I haven't used any of them on my youngster either - but merely on your expression of the aforementioned equipment. NO Erny i use an E collar on two of my girls.. one of my girls has no break method when she locks into someone (eg during training or working civil training) it's do or die with her... the police want her badly but she's not for sale. So the e is on her ONLY for recall even then i have trouble as she has no pain threshold and just attacks (by this i mean bite work you can flank her but once she's bitten she only bites harder even the E on MAX cant break her.. she is hard on the out. she will OUT but after jsut about breaking ones arm off). but thats only when she's so prey driven or locked into prey. otherwise soft as a kitten.. i just dont approve of it to be used on puppies.. puppies are babies.. you dont stick a condom on your baby sons penis to stop him from getting a girl pregnant do you?? but you teach him when he gets older and understands! i dont have a problem with prongs OR e collars I just CANNOT see the point of it on a puppy.. NOR can i understand how a puppy can have one.. i think someone is insane to suggest that. INHO it would be hypercrytical of me to say NO NO i dont believe in them.. i have both and there have been times i have to use both... and i only do when there is no other way out. but i prefer to try other means first! i just cant understand a puppy with them that's all! that's almost very Natzi like edited to correct for better understanding

Because all those helping me are telling me too. You just seem to be anti anything I do. I find it odd that you seem to think I am doing everything wrong, yet every other experienced security & schuhtzhund trainer I've spoken to has no problem with the speed I am doing it at. And also, the majority of trainers I speak to consider 12-14 months the usual training length. I am starting to see why I was repeatedly warned not to post about Montus training on here. It doesn't matter though, I'll follow the advice of my trainer and those who have been helping me all along. Midol... i should be putting this in a PM but i just want to say this much as you know how important MONTU is also to me.. there has to be a cut off end.. you need to let Montu be a puppy and rest also.. you WILL burn him out... you know that i do NOT condemn your trianing methods nor your choice of trainers as i helped you get one of them....., BUT I DO CONDEMN the thought of an E COLLAR put on a puppy.. a As Nekhbet said (julie you're not old as some of your points are very true) i know i burnt out my first working dog/pup.. he's now a pet dog (2yo) and when you raise your hand or voice he pees himself drops to the ground and shakes...... BECAUSE i WAS TOLD to put a stupid E on him i was told to do this and that and ended up breaking him.. burning him out.. just in one snap! Montu needs to rest, to be a dog agina.. he's loosing stimulisation becasue you are working him to the ground.. let him play and rest for the next month.. you will see a different dog.. take him out let him mingle with people, kids pet him and let him have relaxing events, NOT just work work work.. what happens to you when you work work work work 20 hours 7 days.. dont you burn out too? what's your energy like..?? would hate to see one drive in that condition!! OR RUN!!! now you know me well enough to know i'm not telling you OFF but advising you.. do consider it.. you need to enjoy montu as a pet dog too not a robot. he's not a machine.. you WILL burn him out i'm just waiting for that phone call, you tell me his heart has given up OR i've pushed him too far.. mate.. will be a shame! you need to back track a bit and return the FUN back into his life.. stop trianing for a bit.. you wont be able to work him as a security dog for a while yet, and at this rate... he will snap! Ask the question CAN you can make a child into a man by being his general.. you can only make a mess of him.. my thougths and hopes are with you matie.. they really are! good luck but also know that i have experienced 2 broken dogs by so called great trainers... NEVER AGAIN! i love my trainer now and i also take Nekhbets advice and she's been great... i am doing a totally different method with my 13 weeks old puppy.. i'm letting her have ALL the FUN and happiness taking her everywhere.. and she's soo stable in nature its wonderful. Please be careful!

Midol one question.. why on earth would you want to even consider putting an E collar on a pup or a dog ASAP??? if he gets stimulated by your rewarding hin then what is that going to achieve? please explain this?

i have been reading this thread and have to say i fully agree to this statement! Nekhbet.. this is my kind of method and i love it... none of my puppies EVER wear or have worn a check, chocker OR prong lets alone an E collar.. NEVER!!!! Mine has a leather collar around it's neck and i work on prey. i have taught my puppy recall heeling, sit, drop you name it without the need for a check, chocker or the harsher methods... now i'm saying this is MY way only becasue i had someone training me a while back telling me i need to put a prong on my puppy (6 months old) and he broke her... literally put too much darn pressure on her and she became weak and nervous.. and would scream at any grabbing of her collar or even trying to put the leash on her.. she got to the severe point that she would bite you. She did go to a pet home who eventually put work into her but she still is not a dog you can walk on the street. Due to my inexperience at the time i didnt pick up on the incorrect methods of this so called trainer. however i will say this much i am working on ball retrieval with one of my older girls who likes to drop it a metre away from me.. i have her on a LEATHER collar and on a soft long lead and gentle pull her in that little closer when she's come to me at the point she thinks its ok.. i am correcting her by pulling her closer and then doing prey building etc.. but i strongly dont believe in prongs and harder methods being used on puppies at all. and think anyone who does is crazy! Soft chockers or check chains naturally if it works why not.. i used one of them when i used to show my dal puppy in early 90's and never had a problem! But for training i use what works for me and i havent had a problem. I have an 80 kilos Sarplaninac who has had NO training in his 4 years of life AND try getting him to heel.. well it's leather collar for him.. if i find he pulls i flip my leach into a hoop around his neck and control him a little more a bit like Ceaser Milan does AND he's got into my car which he WOULD DIE before he would get into one. BUt he does it. personally if it aint broke why fix it.. meaning if it's working for you successfully then use it, apply it we are all different! i dont condemn anyone forwhat they use unless they are putting too much pressure on babies.. and thas to me is up to 12 months even older for some breeds.

i have to say this is a tricky question!!! 1 anyone who is inexperienced CAN NEVER handle a dog like a EXPERIENCED person can.. i know this AS I have seen it not only on DVD's but in real life and also in training my own dogs. YES you can take your trainers word and assistance AND while they are standing there watching you THEY will pick up on YOUR mistakes, which 99% ofthe times you do not see. Taping your training session ARE great BUT we as humans ALSO go on habit.. SO it mighttake you 5 or 6 tries to get it RIGHT! so to expect a guarnatee well.. i would like to see improvement AND any kind of training IS some kind of improvement.. providing it doesnt break the dog. but i dont think it's as easy as a YES OR NO! If he's a great trainer you will see results in the 1 session... if not... and you dont feel right CHANGE but that's all i can really say on this matter.. If i'm not happy with a method i will say so and change.. not ask for money back or humiliate myself OR someone else.. DIfferent however IF i have left my dog at a training Academy THEN YES i DO expect my moneys worth but i still dont see the point of that IF i want to LEARN? INHO

awww they are all adorable!!! bubbies OK my bub Name: Chloe Sex: Female Nickname: Clee-clee OR clickety-click Breed: German Shephard DOB: 23 September 2008 Age: 12 weeks Hobbies: Chasing the kitten, bossing Dante and Ripping up the paper Loves: playing, eating and sleeping in the car on a long drive Hate: Being told NO

WOW thats great!!

GREAT PHOTOS EVERYONE!! WOW!!!

Sorry i do have more..

WOW! these are the only pics i got for now.. that i can find!

OMG Chloe's dad they are brilliant.. the lighting definately is fantastic!

WOW!!!!! i love that shot... well done! WOW!!! i think my eyes have popped out of my head more then the dog WOW! that really is a great shot i love photos like that!

Yes Erny you are right, I should have clarified. Yes I mean that a dog that doesnt turn to any leader figure it just takes it upon itself to do what it sees fit in the situation with no control from the owner. eg - the typical SWF ball off terror that has its owner screaming 'no no no' and dog has decided 'nope bugger you I'm taking charge of this situation how I see fit'. lack of predictability then pops up for the owner and you get 'oh he's never done that before' (even though you probably saw it building months ago but you see what I mean from the owners perspective) does this also apply to handler aggressive dogs?

i agree!

GREAT SHOTS!!! WOW!

i love Macro too... love eyes in a shot.. but i love working on movig shots.. action shots.. also i like to experiment with angles and horizons... yet to get my SLR so once i do it might be different! but i'm still learning.. i do enjoy different styles tho.

this sentence grasped my attention only because when i started out with all this kind of training and dogs i wondered the same thing.. however one thing my mentor suggested was watch documentories of wolves in the wild and their pack how they act.... i know when i had 6 dogs running together and i can say they were pretty much the replica of this kind of documentory aka wolf mentality... so this is what my impression IS from this sentence.. the Alpha male and female as there is always a pair... but the bitch is the one thats the main one... in a pack.. she will protect her young.. she will allow the other members to play and teach the young.. she and the chosen alpha male will be the only ones to produce BUT when it comes to protection... the PACK protects their ALPHA aka their Queen. so NO i think when you have established your pecking order the dogs natural instinct is to protect you! they must.. their Alpha is the one that keeps the pack alive.. she's the producion so to speak. i have recently got myself a dominant male Sarplaninac.. BUT he's learnt very quickly that IM ALPHA (80 kilos or not he will NOT challenge me OR try to)... and i can tell you this much he DID protect me today when ever he felt a threat.. IF i saw he was wasting time i would of pulled him up BUT he knew his job and did it well and he's had not one day of protection training.. so personally this is my opinion. so i find this rather interesting you bring this up.. as i have wondered the same!

Persephone.. personally i'm the same, i am not a huge fan of food traninig.. only because the dogs become food driven... and the last thing someone wants is a dog going off to do his work in protection and the offender shows him a treat it's happened.... i also train my puppies AND dogs without a leash OR collar... i do work them in prey drive.. but for basic obedience again i use a toy.. however i have also heard that the dog will become toy dependant.. last thing one wants a police dog going to get the offender and if thrown a ball will retrieve it... hmm i think it's what one finds most comfortable.. we are all told to do it this way or that way.. personally i say if it aint broke why fix it?? so if your method of training has worked for you then why change it? i use a ball on my girl for a reward in a playful manner but not after she's done training with me her reward then is that she gets to play with one of the other dogs on their own for 10 minutes to run and do zoomies etc.... more so i use the ball when i come out to play with her and interact with her alone.. .. BUT this works best for me and this girl.. my other one is so ball driven that i have no choice but to use it in her training.. food works also but as long as she gets the ball at the end of it, I guess everyone is different AND i'm still learning too so i cannot say what is best for one person or another... i understand if you want to understand the benefits or which way is better.. but hmm as for trying to change it.. why if you achieve the level of training with your method and it's working stick with it! good topic will be interested to see what the PROS come up with!