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Hmm so a 15 kg bag would only last 2 months... well assuming I was to feed straight dry food, which I won't be... Can anyone tell me how much a 15 kg bag would set me back then? this really is doing my head in

I find this confusing too... if I was to go by say what Royal Canin Recommends, a $90 bag would only last 2 months. Versus what we feed them at the moment, which costs us about $20 a month. They're only little dogs as well! I can't understand when people say that a 15 kg bag lasts a big dog about 4 months... I guess I'm working it out wrong. I get angry when people imply that I don't want the best for our dogs. I have been researching extensively over the last two weeks on ways I can improve our dogs wellbeing. I was simply asking for people opinions on Eukanba, as at the moment it is a much more affordable option for us. People keep insisting that the premium options aren't really that much more expensive. Well tell me then, how much will it cost to feed two 7.5 kg dogs for a month on premium food? And I am looking into other options. We already feed them meaty bones 5 times a week, but at the moment I wish to supplement this with dry food, as I don't believe that I should be changing their diets too drastically too quickly. I also want to do a lot more research on feeding dogs fruit, vegies and yogurt as this is obviously not something they have genetically evolved to eat, nor have they eaten in the past!

Hmmm well although I still don't know the conditions surrounding the RSPCA's shelters. if they're treatment of and endorsement of battery hen eggs is anything to go by... then I understand why people are so against them. And the fact that an RSPCA watchdog has been established speaks volumes as well. Pretty sad

The problem is we can't afford to feed them any of these, which all seem to work out twice as expensive as Euk I thought that feeding them a better quality food than what the supermarket offers would be preferable. Because its generally considerably cheaper than buying from a pet shop or the vet. My vet actually tried to convince me it would be cheaper to feed them on Royal Canin than supermarket food... I've done the calculations and its not!! Unless I only have to feed them a third of what is recommended I'm not trying to start a war or anything.... and please inform me so I know. But what are they supposed to do? If they have limited funding there's only so many dogs they can care for, feed and shelter at one time? Are they supposed to just start turning animals away? And if there is a company sponsoring them, then wouldn't it be so they could increase funding, therefore decreasing deaths, and also providing the animals with a better quality food?

Can you give me an idea of how much Nutrience is? I haven't been able to find any online stores that sell it.

Our dogs used to be on science diet, however after running out of a giant bag we had bought on the internet, I grabbed a supermarket bag one week, and unfortunately weeks turned to a few months. I know that the supermarket stuff is rubbish, and I'm keen to switch back to a premium kibble in conjunction with chicken frames, necks etc. I was wondering if Eukanuba is ok? It works out at about half the price of science diet, royal canin etc Surely it must be an improvement on what I have been feeding them! (Yes I feel bad) Also i was looking over some old posts and a few people mentioned they won't use science diet due to political reasons? What's this all about, someone mentioned the support the RSPCA, I'm confused, is that a bad thing? Anyways just curious if anyone could fill me in

You're an angel! Thank you :-) What good doggies, how long have you been doing TOT for?

Lovely to see a Rottie owner promoting the placid and gentle temperament of the breed on the www. ;) Any vet is welcome to look in the mouth of my Rottweilers without anaesthetising them and vets have done so many times without complaint from my dogs. Don't stress it?!

I think its the same in every profession though isn't it? And other professions have managed to come up with sets of rules regulations and guidelines. A central regulatory body would have to conduct and gather research on various methods and techniques and decide as a whole what is acceptable, humane, and effective, and then put these guidelines into force. For example they may rule that certain collars are ok to use, if used correctly, however some trainers may still decide not to use them. Anyways, thats my two cents worth :-)

Has the owner tried food specifically for sensitive skin? Probably, but thought it might be worth a try. Also, has she considered taking him to a animal skin specialist, they might have more luck in recognising the problem. If he's having a reaction to something he's eating, maybe try an elimination diet, or switching brands of food. I had a cat who we thought had a skin condition, but it just turned out he had a major flea and ear mite problem, once we got those two under control, the skin cleared up almost by itself. Good luck!

Hmmm found some ?vomit on the floor this morning, looks like they ate half the garden along with the chicken frame... lol They always throw up when they eat grass, I wonder if they ate too much of the lawn with the chicken frame, or was it the frame itself. I will give them a break today and tomorrow, and then give them some chicken necks on Monday.

IF Steve or anyone else could answer my question, that would be fantastic! I just started tonight, and thought I understood everything, but when I went to do it I realized I wasn't sure... When I am going to release the dog and say 'ok' do I say ok as i take the tie off, or after? You said in your instructions that they should be responding to my ok rather than the snap of the lead so I'm not sure. Also do they need to make eye contact with me, or just a general look at my body, as they are quite short and have to look up a fair way ;) I noticed they glanced in my general direction quite a few times, and then eventually made eye contact with me. I think thats all for now! Really hoping this gives me a bit more authority and control with them, as they go absolutley berserk at walk time, when anyone comes anywhere near our house, or even when I just put on a pair of shoes or get dressed...

Thanks everyone. I thought I was so clever for finding them ;) I might try the Preston markets next time, it would be good if the fresh bones were to work out cheaper than premium pet food per day, so I can alternate them, and save some money! Staff n Toller, probably should have read that post before dinner! Never mind, will keep a close eye on them for the next day or so, and give them another small bone on Sunday or Monday.

Hopefully this will help some people that are struggling like I was to find chicken necks etc for your doggies. I'm in Melbourne and had been looking everywhere, and the butchers were no help at all. Woolies at Greensborough had chicken necks and frames at the deli for $2/kg, and in the meat section I found lamb ribs, lamb neck joints, and heaps of other larger bones and joints of meat. Gave my two dogs a rib each this afternoon when I got home, and they didn't know what to do with them :-) They looked at me as if to say, what, you want us to work for our food? I am going to give them a chicken frame each for dinner, hopefully they won't be too big for them, we'll see how we go!

Well our in laws have said they will pay for it all to get done, I guess they feel responsible as they were in their care for the last 5 years. Apparently they have always had bad teeth, and I'm a bit upset that not more was done sooner. The only thing we were told to do was give them chicken wings, but not only has that not helped, but it has made them sick as well. I can see now after ringing around that $250 is the best price I'm probably going to get in Melbourne. I really just needed to know that we weren't getting overcharged, and that the procedure is necessary. I don't want them to have to lose any teeth or get extractions, so I know its important. I'm also concerned about them going under anesthetic as you can never really guarantee what will happen. I know its necessary as they would never ever withstand having their teeth cleaned while conscious but it still seems extreme I'm off now to find some nice tasty chicken necks!