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I see your point woof, I just dont think it's been well handled, especially having an idea of how Indonesians react to ultimatums. I firmly believe we had a better chance of making changes by staying in there. And the whole stun gun issue isnt coming from the moslems, it's coming from their Govt.

100,000 Brians now that the Australians are out of there.

I'm not talking about what they have or havent done in the past. I'm talking about the current proposals

Well maybe you havent seen the MLA proposals. Looks pretty workable to me and certainly a much better solution than throwing hands up in the air, suspending the trade and giving the Indos an ultimatum which they'll probably take ie tell us to take a hike eta and there you go...the poo fight starts http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-news/indonesia-issues-warning-over-cattle-ban-2417867.html?from=newsbox

Yep. I have one I wouldnt return to the breeder, another breeder is dead and my other breeder I wouldnt hesitate to ask to take her dog back if I couldnt keep her. Hopefully it'll never come to a situation where I have to ask, though

Where's the like button.

coffee splurk!

None now until the suspension is lifted. Those 100,000 Brians could end up in someone's backyard and wait for a blunt knife. When it's lifted and if the Indonesians will deal with our industry again the MLA will have control of the supply chain.

I can only hope, Stormie but the indonesians can be very *ahum* temperamental to deal with. Why are they going to let Australians tell them what to do when the Ag Minister already warned he would just go elsewhere. If they source from Somalia they're not going to be told how to kill the cattle so the abominable practices are going to continue. I think it's really sad Gillard caved on this issue rather then keep the industry in there and fix the problem

I just saw that in the paper. Too bad for the 100,000 Aus cattle still in the feedlots awaiting slaughter. Now we have no hope in improving their welfare and being sent to the A listed abbatoirs.

That's good because I'm certainly not going to agree with any other points you've made.

There HAS been a partial ban with proposals to solve the issues. An outright ban isnt going to solve the issues - the Ag Minister has firmly stated that if there is a far reaching ban he's going to tell us to get stuffed and source cattle from elsewhere, then we have no power whatsoever to solve it. I'm not sure why people are finding that so difficult to comprehend. Seems pretty sensible to me. It's just a shame it didnt happen 10 years ago.

I fail to understand your post. The new proposals are to improve the welfare of cattle being slaughtered in Indonesia. What's your point?

There are new proposals this week for different equipment, training and supervision protocols that have already been discussed with the Indonesian Govt. Maybe you could look them up rather than throwing in those now outdated by the new.

I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. Peter Kerkenezov looks pretty peed off at the moment and has demanded the sacking of the LiveCorp Board for knowing about if for a decade, and he wouldnt be the only one who is outraged.

no probs woof - it's an emotional topic. IMO the beat up was in only showing footage of the substandard abbatoirs in order to get people screaming for a complete ban, not a beatup about the cruelty so I should have explained it better. The current proposal being discussed between the Ag Depts of both countries is Indonesia keeps trade relations but only for selct abbatoirs and feedlots while the Australians send equipment, trainers and AWOs in order to bring the substandard slaughterhouses up to par. If we pull out altogether we lose the ability to supervise and assist. The Indonesian Ag Minister has already said that if there's a wide ranging ban he'll take his trade elsewhere which I think would be a disaster - not only for Aus farmers and the related industries but for the ability to control how the animals are slaughtered. For that reason I will never support the animal libbers scream for a complete ban and I feel strongly enough about this that I unsubscribed from GetUp who I usually firmly support because I object highly to their campaign, the same as I object highly to the animal rights lobby groups.

he's a very smiley boy!!!

Dont tell me what I 'damn well know'. It was an emotive beatup showing only the substandard abbatoirs and as far as I'm concerned irrationally called for a complete ban on exporting livestock. And the MLA IS working on solutions. And dont you be ridiculous - ofcourse we can have control over how the other 75% are slaughtered if we supply equipment and animal welfare officers which is what the MLA has proposed. So lose your tone!

I know what you're saying but I still dont agree with it. What's wrong with using the mares and stallions already available. Not enough good ones, then breed them rather than clone them. I just dont get it. there was only one Matine and one Andreas. A clone or it's offspring isnt going to perform the same without the rapport and teamwork those two individuals had regardless of dna.

That was an extraordinary partnership so what's the point of cloning her without cloning Andreas as well? I agree with OSoSwift and Mason

Sorry for a sec and I asked you once before but cant remember the answer - what's the difference between the Kangal and Anatolian, Lilli?

Amazing, isnt it - and rspc bloody a. The other thing that amazes me is only 25% of slaughtered cattle in Indonesia come from Australia but the people jumping up and down demanding a complete ban only care if the cows are Australian. What about the other 75%? Atleast with the two Governments now working together making changes it might have an influence across the board (probably not much because they're now saying they want to restrict it to a set number of feedlots and slaughterhouses thanks to the shortsighted animal rights' people)

He looks like a whole world of trouble Just beautiful, cassie!

w00t. Good onya, Sags.

She's on shaky ground if she gutlessly bows down to RSPCA and Animals Australia!