Elenbah

The only place that I saw a reduction in fees in the NSW Taskforce proposal feedback, was in the Annual Registrations where you could "tick" for a reduced fee for dogs/cats purchased from a Pound or Animal Shelter... Not even pensioners were mentioned, where as now they have reduced life time registration for their desexed pets.

We were all told to do our feedback in as "An Interested Individual" Steve because last year (July) nearly 1000 submissions with member of a registered body were deemed as one submission and counted as such....

I thought the role was about being an agent - so when a person changes details on a pedigree its changed on the data base etc. There is no way there would be a possibility of two chip registries. It may not be a good idea to have 2 chip registries bUT the case is that nation wide we have 8 or 9 registaries so far. It would seem to me that if the NSW CAR registriy was made available to DogsNSW then it could well work a treat?? I meant one compulsory registry for the state. Im happy for Dogs NSW to have access to the CAR - but anyone or any group can do that with a password and if Dogs NSW get that ability so will many other orgs. Im not sure what it is thats being discussed that Dogs NSW would do. Feel like Im missing something because they dont need any special resources for this. They are talking about one registry. The RSPCA want to take control of that. Dogs NSW is offering to do this as their computer systems and programs have the capacity to do this.... Pedigree dog puppies and all other pups born to Domestic Breeders (whoever they may be, one off litters from the family pet of pups from large scale puppy breeders) will have a breeders registration number (just like pedigree dogs do now) the only difference will be that puppies born to non Dogs NSW members may have a DAR in front of their number...

No Steve, Councils will still do the microchip registrations, but just as every dog registered with Dogs NSW has a Registration number this DAR number will be applied to every other pup, once every dog breeder in NSW has a breeders licence.

After discussion the MDBA have had behind the scenes I don't believe that is the case. However, there is a push in that task force document to have a single body which will determine what will go on with all dogs - there isnt anything new in that some have been pushing for it for quite a while - the concept that Dogs NSW would be it is never ever going to fly and it would be a body made of of differing group representatives. DogsNSW was on the Taskforce. It has the recognition, the systems, the ethics and the coverage to pick up this task, with a few tweaks and an accountability agreement with the government. It behoves us all to support this option. I am lead to believe that Dogs NSW Data base system has the capacity to take this on... They would be separated by their registration number with all other dogs having a DAB (Domestic Animal Breeds) (I think it was) in front of it's registration number.

Come on people if anyone has a link to what we are after PLEASE post it. Yes, we all know it takes time to get through a 115 pages but if you have spotted it PLEASE let us all know. I am betting that it is worded in such a way we are just not recognising it. Yes, oakway, I think it's a case of having to read between the lines... This is how I see it.... NSW Companion Animals Taskforce Report Oct 2012.... Recommendation 2.. "The Animal Welfare Code Of Practice- Breeding Dogs & Cats" should be revised to ensure that the existing Guidelines it contains, become Enforceable Standards. Then if we go and open the link to "Animal Welfare Code Of Practice Breeding Dogs & Cats" ... 2. INTRODUCTION 2.1. This Code sets the standards for the breeding of Dogs & Cats. 2.2. It applies to the welfare of dogs & cats which are involved in the business of raising puppies... Then scroll down to DEFINITIONS. "Breeding". Means the business of breeding litters for sale... "Dog Housing" Where it says forming part of a house/flat/apartment etc.. These were found under Guidelines and we would be classified under "Facility"... For the purpose of Breeding dogs & Cats....... For which you must then link to your LOCAL COUNCIL who for the purpose of this discussion would classify us as a "Breeding Business".... I don't know if this makes it any clearer?.... Under this proposed Legislation, in order to obtain a breeders license, one would first have to apply to their local Council and under a great many local councils the minimum requirements must be a sustainable establishment and planing suitable for a boarding establishment/breeding facility.

OMG.! Ringo, it's looking bleaker and bleaker.!... The Government would be cutting their own throat if they were to pass this..... Are they so blind???????... Would it be OK if I cross-post this?

Just out of curiosity,... When I first moved into where i am now back in 1998 I had 4 shelties. Council Regulations were for 2x dogs but I contacted them and the Ranger came out and inspected my house(which would be considered urban)& yard (that has no kennels) and I got permission to keep up to 4 dogs and a litter of pups up till 6 months... Could that permission now be revoked? or am I a lucky beggar I wonder.....

Loved your posts Steve, even if after 17 years it has been bought to my attention that I have been in breech of Regulations. I never have and never will consider my kids as livestock. I don't consider myself even a commercial breeder either, for that you would have to be breeding for the sole purpose of making money.! In my breed, Papillons that would be a hard ask... As in a lot of breeds, the demand is there for puppies but not the supply unless you are willing to wait for sometimes up to two years for a pup. Unfortunately, many are not willing to wait, and that's where the puppy farmers come in.... I wish there were an answer. I think the Government is so naive to believe that what they are proposing in this Legislation is going to "fix" the problem of huge numbers of dogs finding their way into to pounds and shelters each year (but we all know who has been whispering into their ears for so long, don't we)and if the pounds and shelters statistics of dogs were actually accurate instead of if this dog looks like a GSD therefore it must be a pure bred, then you would find very few pure breeds amongst their statistics... With nearly breed club having their own rescue, those pure bred dogs don't generally stay their long... We are not the problem, please don't make us the scapegoat...I believe, that if they do introduce this legislation as it is, with yearly registrations at an inflated price, pounds and shelters will not know what's hit them... it will be virtually raining cats and dogs.! And the only winners?...... You guessed it.!!!!!!

Up until now Dogs NSW breeders have been considered as hobbyists. Although we abide by the AWL Code of Practice Breeding Dogs and Cats certain parts have been Guidelines and not enforceable, that has allowed us to still have our dogs as pets first and live in houses as pets... They want to change that. Which in essence changes our pets to livestock. (Dept. of Primary Industries) If you go to page 6 of the 155page recommendations and you have to read it slowly to digest it, it says every breeder must acquire a Breeders Licence, although if you only want one litter or plan a litter you may obtain a Licence at a reduced rate...... But.!... in order to obtain that Licence they have to know that your breeders premises will be in compliance with your local councils Development Control Requirements. (which have all been updated to mean your breeding establishment, must comply with their commercial boarding/breeding requirements)... You have to read between the lines. Our now hobby will be classified as a business even if we only sell one puppy....

The cat breeders will be affected by this Legislation as well, they need to be doing the letters to their MP's too.

I understand Sheridan but it would be in every one's best interest to be and stay informed. Your States will be next on the Hit List.... The RSPCA and the AWL are very determined.!!!!!!

I'm going to bump this thread because it is important. I can't believe that no one is interested.!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, EVERYONE TAKE NOTE.!!!! and get informed on what is happening here.!

I would like to add to this... That besides members of Dogs NSW needing to get actively involved (and I mean actively)... We also need the support of all the members of DOL forums. These forums are for owners of pure bred dogs and in the words of the President of Dogs NSW... "If we don't get our message across, believe me it could well herald the demise of Dogs NSW, so no matter what discipline you are involved in, the threat is there that your source of pure bred dogs could rapidly dry up" If this Legislation gets through NSW Parliament, it will rapidly be taken up by other States... DOL has a huge following and many friends have been made on these Forums because of the shared interest in pure bred dogs... Do you want your right to choose what breed you want to live with be taken away?.... Registered pure bred breeders need your support as well.!!!... Perhaps you could contact the breeder that you got your purebred pup/dog from and ask them how you can help.

I'm in the same boat indigirl, my 5 Papillons live in the house with me and nobody can tell me they are better of confined to commercial kennels. My dogs are my family, breeding/showing is a hobby. I usually just breed one litter a year, very rarely 2 but in the last 14 months I have reared 2 litters totatling 3 puppies. I kept for show.... While I am happy for the RSPCA or the AWL to come see how I care for my dogs, I cannot meet the other requirements expected of breeders.... This Legislation will surely have a huge snow ball effect..