dancinbcs

The South Coast of Vic is tick free so that would be a better option than anywhere on the east coast if you have the option to avoid paralysis ticks.

Sadly I think this is the only solution. He is a huge liability and has now proven to be dangerous. You would never forgive yourself if he seriously attacked a child. Lots of working breeds nip as a warning or in play but a serious bite is another matter all together. He could have psychological damage from whatever has happened to him in the past or he could have any number of neurological problems including CL if he is around 18m - 2 yrs. You could spend a fortune trying to find out what is going on but you would still not know if you could ever trust him again. Be brave, release Nelson from his stressful life and move on to your new life with the other 3 dogs you can enjoy.

Why do you assume the op has not taken anything else into consideration? They are not trying to breed a rare colour but are just asking about the basic black pigment colour of Poodles and trying to understand how the genetics work. The way the question was worded didn't sound right to most people but that doesn't make it a less than legitimate question. Health, type, soundness and temperament are more important than colour but Poodle colours are very complex and anyone contemplating breeding them needs to get their head around what happens if you combine different colours.

Poodle Colour Genetics This site explains the genetics pretty well. Poodle colours are very complicated but the specific point you are asking about is fairly simple. Black pigment is dominant to everything else so a black bred to a cream would result in black pigmented puppies regardless of coat colour unless both the cream and the black happen to carry brown pigment as a recessive gene. Please don't leave the forum but understand that confusion comes from different terms used in different standards. To me "points" refers to markings like the tan on a Dobe or Rottie, not to nose, eyerim and lip colour. In most other breeds that is referred to as the pigment colour of the dog as opposed to coat colour/pattern.

You do not take responsibility for someone else's bitch unless you can guarantee to keep her safe. She should be in a secure roofed run with a concrete floor or crated in the house, unless under direct supervision. If she somehow did get out than the stud dog owner would be liable for whatever happened to her. I remember one bitch, before the days of mobile phones, that was dropped off by her owner who lived 300km away. As the owner left the stud dog owners property the bitch tried to jump the gate so was taken into the house, where she proceeded to try to jump through the windows. This was a very high profile show bitch and the stud dog owner was already worried sick about keeping her safe anyway. She resorted to waiting for the owner to get home and calling the owner her to come back the following day. She then slept the night with the bitch in a crate beside her bed and tied a lead to her wrist through the bars of the crate to ensure the bitch was definitley still going to be there when the owner returned. you do whatever it takes to keep them safe.

I don't know. The problem we have here is between a dog and a bitch. The bitch is very playful (Dane Cross) and the dog is a very dominant BC. The Dane started with bouncing on him and he told her where to get off. Then when the big resource (either of the humans in thew house) are present they would both disagree over our attention. Initially we physically separated them but they could see each other and fence fight. We now have a situation where if they are together there is much stiffness, pacing, eyeing etc. Either dog will start it and they are serious about the outcome. Both dogs have Good bite inhibition otherwise (which says they are serious with each other). We have increased the separation distance... The male is good with the other 2 bitches we have here (they crate and dog trailer together) and with the 2 male Aussies. I agree it is not ideal but we have found a way around it. My experience is with entire BCs and I would not tolerate a BC male that would fight with a bitch. It is as unacceptable as an adult attacking a puppy in my book. In my experience the males always back down if challenged by a bitch.

Answers to specific points above but she sounds like a normal puppy of a very intelligent active breed that needs a lot more of your time and attention and some physical boundaries to keep her away from tempatation. Start thinking about life from the dog's point of view. They are not born knowing what they can destroy and what they can't. Dogs chew, accept that and work out how to direct her to what to chew. They need to learn that as well as learning appropriate behaviour. What is she like inside? Is she allowed in to learn to spend soem quiet time with you? GSDs are very much people dogs and will do whatever it takes to get attention from the owner. They prefer to be as close to their owners as possible. Finally, have you spoken to the breeder and asked their advice?

This is why I never recommend anyone getting litter mates. One always ends up very submissive to the other and never gets a chance to develop their full potential. These two have survived 7 years but I would be separating them and giving them individual attention when you are around so there is no chance for one to bully the other.

I find it quite alarming that a dog would fight with a bitch. It would be totally unacceptable to me for any male to act that way. To me it sounds like the young dog has major issues probably coming from you getting him at 6 weeks and missing out on learning pack manners at that age can never be undone. Sadly I don't think rehoming is an option here. Your girl has done nothing to warrant being rehomed but the male is a problem dog. If you are not able to separate them or resolve his issues I think you need to consider having him pts.

We have had success with light bird wire (finer than chicken wire), strung slightly loose between uprights above the fence. They need a solid top to climb over a fence and the light wire about 60cm above the fence means they can't get a foot hold. With any climbing dog you need to make very sure there is nothing they can catch a foot or even a toe in. BCs can be terrible climbers and I know of a few who have been found badly injured or dead hanging by a leg when caught up on a fence.

There is also the possibility that the breeder is more open and honest than others and doesn't cover up what could in fact be a breed wide problem, not just something in that line.

Try Dr Ann Neville, the vet at East Bentleigh. She does Chinese Medicine as well as mainstream and is great with unusual ailments that other vets can't fix.

I and just about every breeder I know in Sydney use Gary and Neil Barnsley and have done for well over 20 years.

Same here dancinbc. When I suggested an X-ray to determine my singletons size my Vet said there was no need as an X-ray isn't a good indication of size. A junior vet scanned her at 28 days, found one pup. Asked me to come back two days later and let the Senior vet, who was away and is very proficient with scanning (and I think therein lies the secret - expertise is essential in that field) he only found one and the day we had her prog tested they gave me a free scan to check on the pup (s) still only one. But it was awesome watching her tiny heart beat. She was born that afternoon. I think some vets just aren't very good at it. That could be the problem. Our vets are usually no more than one puppy out on a count at 5-6 weeks. It might be different with really big litters but I have still never heard of our vets x-raying pregnant bitches. They only charge about $50 for an ultrasound, don't need to shave hair and if re done in the final days the you can see exactly where each puppy is lying and how big it is.

I agree , however, the agreement to lease the bitch has already been made and the mating has already been done. It appears though the SDO has agreed to allow Millie to use her own prefix which means she will need the service certificate but with no money changing hands the service certificate may not be handed to her until the pick pup has been chosen and in their possession. Signing the service certificate at time of mating and giving it to the bitch owner is two different things and still keeps the SDO within the regs. Fact is some stud dog owners do have conditions in place for people who are using dogs at stud - most in my opinion are unreasonable because I believe that the only issue for the sdo should be whether they think the dog is suitable and that it is registered and so is the owner. If the bitch owner doesnt agree they simply dont use the dog at stud.Where this one has blown up is because the conditions were not discussed and agreed upon and signed off on before the mating took place. These conditions - though unreasonable in my opinion, are probably quite the norm for the SDO and as the SDO they are entitled to place thiose conditions on. In all probability the reason these werent discussed pre mating is because they thought the dog would be leased to them and therefore it would be in their control anyway and not something which should concern or be approved by the owner. its only changed because the owner now doesnt want to lease the bitch but at the time of the mating she did. +1 All this discussion goes to show is, get it down on paper before ANY matings ever take place. Don't forget the owner of the bitch had a good deal going if she had kept her word and leased the bitch. All the bitches prior owner had to do was feed the bitch and pups(these were her conditions) and then she reaped the reward of the sale price for all the pups but one. Don't forget people the owner of the bitch IS the one responsable for all the fees no matter what either party may THINK, unless separate arrangements are made and recorded. There is a lot more to raising a litter than just feeding the mum and puppies. How about a minimum of 8 weeks work including losing sleep, then the costs of feeding, vaccinations, worming, microchips, vet bills including a caesar if needed. Then being expected to run on the litter for months until the SDO makes a choice. Not a good deal at all if you only get to keep a desexed pet and cannot even sell the others as pets until the SDO makes a final choice. There is no point in breeding a litter of pets, it is a complete waste of time. What if they want her to run them on for 12 months? More vaccinations and lots more food not to mention the work involved. If they can't pick at 8 weeks then they will not be able to make a proper decision until they stop growing and that could be a year later. Is the bitch owner supposed to hold them all that time? This is one of the most ridiculous lease agreements I have ever heard of. I have had several litters by leasing bitches with them staying with the owner. I have never had a problem because I am not greedy and do not expect them to do it all for nothing. The SDO owner in this case wants everything their way but don't want to do any of the work. No, thats not what I said. The owner of the bitch pays not the prior owner. The person named on the papers is the owner. So if the lease had gone through all the prior owner had to do was pay for some food. What sleepless nights, there Whippets, you don't have the problems with them, that some breeders do with other breeds. Unless their is an unforseen problem, and we all have to put up with that it goes with the terrority. If the bitch had ten pups and the breeder took one that leaves 9 to sell. What with the price of pure bred dogs that SHOULD leave the new owner with all pups transfered but one( to the prior owner) a good little nest egg with only the outlay of some food. Remember the owner is the person on the papers, and as the owner THEY are responsable for the care of the bitch unless otherwise stated in writing. The owner is the one named on the papers and if no other prior arrangements have been made in writing then they are responsable for all the fees. Go back and read the earlier posts. The agreement was for the bitch to be leased on paper only. She was to stay with her current owner who was to outlay everything, raise the litter and run them on for several months, then hand over a puppy when the SDO eventually chooses one. Only then can she sell the rest as pets. The lessee SDO was only going to lease the bitch to get a puppy under their prefix, they had no intention of taking possession of the bitch at any time or raising the litter.

I agree , however, the agreement to lease the bitch has already been made and the mating has already been done. It appears though the SDO has agreed to allow Millie to use her own prefix which means she will need the service certificate but with no money changing hands the service certificate may not be handed to her until the pick pup has been chosen and in their possession. Signing the service certificate at time of mating and giving it to the bitch owner is two different things and still keeps the SDO within the regs. Fact is some stud dog owners do have conditions in place for people who are using dogs at stud - most in my opinion are unreasonable because I believe that the only issue for the sdo should be whether they think the dog is suitable and that it is registered and so is the owner. If the bitch owner doesnt agree they simply dont use the dog at stud.Where this one has blown up is because the conditions were not discussed and agreed upon and signed off on before the mating took place. These conditions - though unreasonable in my opinion, are probably quite the norm for the SDO and as the SDO they are entitled to place thiose conditions on. In all probability the reason these werent discussed pre mating is because they thought the dog would be leased to them and therefore it would be in their control anyway and not something which should concern or be approved by the owner. its only changed because the owner now doesnt want to lease the bitch but at the time of the mating she did. +1 All this discussion goes to show is, get it down on paper before ANY matings ever take place. Don't forget the owner of the bitch had a good deal going if she had kept her word and leased the bitch. All the bitches prior owner had to do was feed the bitch and pups(these were her conditions) and then she reaped the reward of the sale price for all the pups but one. Don't forget people the owner of the bitch IS the one responsable for all the fees no matter what either party may THINK, unless separate arrangements are made and recorded. There is a lot more to raising a litter than just feeding the mum and puppies. How about a minimum of 8 weeks work including losing sleep, then the costs of feeding, vaccinations, worming, microchips, vet bills including a caesar if needed. Then being expected to run on the litter for months until the SDO makes a choice. Not a good deal at all if you only get to keep a desexed pet and cannot even sell the others as pets until the SDO makes a final choice. There is no point in breeding a litter of pets, it is a complete waste of time. What if they want her to run them on for 12 months? More vaccinations and lots more food not to mention the work involved. If they can't pick at 8 weeks then they will not be able to make a proper decision until they stop growing and that could be a year later. Is the bitch owner supposed to hold them all that time? This is one of the most ridiculous lease agreements I have ever heard of. I have had several litters by leasing bitches with them staying with the owner. I have never had a problem because I am not greedy and do not expect them to do it all for nothing. The SDO owner in this case wants everything their way but don't want to do any of the work.

Comfortis has not been tested in breeding males either so it isn't an option for anyone with breeding dogs. Even in a pet I would worry if it isn't proven safe for all dogs.

this is the very attitude this post is talking about. The owner of the dog on lead never causes the problem, the owner of the dog that is allowed to approach is the problem. I have never had a DA dog but will do whatever I have to, to protect my dogs from any approaching off lead dog. After having several dogs attacked over the years I no longer wait to find out if an approaching dog is friendly or not. In my experience none have ever been friendly so I now take no chances. If mine are off lead, they get put back on as soon as I see other dogs. I decide which dogs my dogs get to meet and have no desire to have any unknown dog approach them ever. If you cannot prevent your dog approaching others it shouldn't be off lead.

If the dog owner presumed the whole litter would be his, why ask me for PICK OF LITTER? Because thats all they wanted ONE puppy it appears as though they would have been happy to register all the other pups to you as long as you complyed with their wishes. Their wishes are completely unreasonable and I am sure that no one would lease them a bitch under those circumstances. It would have been different if they were prepared to take the bitch, pay all expenses, run the puppies on and do whatever they wanted with them. To expect the bitch owner to outlay all the money, do all the work, run puppies on (god knows why they can't pick at 8 weeks) just to eventually sell all the others as desexed pets, regardless of quality is ridiculous. If the litter was under their prefix they should get a say in which puppies are show quality and where they go, but they need to decide that at 8 weeks. Otherwise they should accept a stud fee and sign the service certificate with an agreement for the option to buy back a puppy. Teh other two options are abort the litter or have an unregistered litter and make sure you advertise who the sire is and that the owner would not allow you to register the litter. See how they like what that will do to their precious prefix's reputation.

I would get her to a good chiro first. Sounds like a injured/overstretched ligament in the stifle to me that could be making the patella slip around. Do not let her run or jump at all until you get a diagnosis and treatment.

I would just ultrasound again the week before she is due. At that stage they would definitely not miss a puppy and it is a lot cheaper than an x-ray. I have no idea why everyone on here is so crazy about x-rays. Our vets are breeder specialists and never do them. A late ultrasound will tell you a lot more about a possible singleton than an x-ray.

No the better breeders carefully consider each planned litter and use the best male available where ever he may be located and no matter who owns him. A sure sign of someone just breeding for profit in a popular breed is that they just use there own dog, that they always refer to as their "stud dog", to sire every litter. This is simply a cost cutting measure so they don't have to pay a stud fee. It shows that they have no idea about how to improve the breed by looking at complimentary dogs and lines. Any entire dog can sire a litter but that doesn't mean they should. Only the very best males should ever get to reproduce. Also most breeders would have their next litter from a different bitch. Sometimes bitches have consecutive litter but not very often.

And definitely not from the same litter. Most responsible breeder would not consider selling two siblings together.

I find most of the so called "friendly" dogs are anything but friendly. Usually just out of control dominant dogs that want to terrorise every dog they see.

Firstly all dogs have genetic faults of some sort. There is no such thing as a perfect dog despite the fact that show/performance breeders are all trying to breed them. In any given litter there will hopefully be at least one or two that are close to perfect but the others will all have genetic faults that are more or less obvious. Breeders have a responsibility to avoid breeding any health defects that can be determined by testing of the parents. So anything inherited as a simple recessive condition, has a DNA test available and requires both parents to be carriers, is easly controlled by genetic testing. These tests are available for a small percentage of the possible health defects in dogs and have been developed by the dedication of breeders to finding answers. Other conditions have screening tests for the parents to assess the phenotype of the parents so informed breeding choices can be made to reduce the incidence of these problems. No one can guarantee that they can always produce puppies free from the problem if there is no definitive genetic test available. Congential conditons that may or may not be genetic can be checked for in some puppies in some breeds. Heart, spine, eye and in some breeds ED comes under this category. Depending on the condition and results the puppy may be placed with full disclosure or pts. Again breeds would prefer to never breed these problems but cannot always avoid them. Somewhere breeders have to draw the line at what they will be responsible for. If they breed a puppy with a fatal congenital condition, I believe they should refund the purchase price. For non-fatal conditions it is up the discretion of the breeder. Some things like HD have a very large environmental component with diet and exercise figuring in the final result and breeders cannot control how the puppies they sell are raised. Other conditions can be congenitial or aquired later and sometimes it is difficult to determine which. The average vet is not an expert on inherited genetic conditions and often get the diagnosis wrong, so a vet declaring something to be a hereditary problem cannot be taken as fact. Much more research is usually needed before that sort of claim can be made but a lot of vets like to blame breeders for everything. Most show breeders are very concerned about the babies they produce and if they honestly believe they have inadvertantly sold a puppy with an existing serious health defect, they will replace or refund. Some will do the same if an aquired problem happens as the puppy develops but it all depends on the defect, how hard they have worked to avoid it and if there is any chance that environment could have influenced the condition.