Monah

Two of my favourite breeds!!!

I don't have anything concrete to add, just interested in the topic. With this behaviour with your dog, I have a friend who has a BC like this, but she is lovely, then got another 2 years later, same parents etc. and this dog is awful with other dogs (attacks)and very dominant, They are beside themselves with him, so different from the first one, got both at 8 weeks. I'm very interested in genetics, temperaments and how the mother looks after the pups when they are very small. so could anyone shed light on this? like yours, these dogs were like this from the beginning. I'm wondering if you think puppy pre school can be 'blamed'. I sort of think dogs are born as they are and we have to try to get them to fit in somehow, hopefully. As for not playing with excitable dogs, to help calm the other one, I have a MAD vizsla who is a year older than my spinone, the spinone has the most laid back nature ever, even though she is with the viz every day. But I'm sure the viz would be even crazier with another crazy dog, but the spin is calm whatever. I don't think there are any wrong or right methods, ways of sorting these things out, just find it all very curious. ie. would the dog be how it is anyway? (not meaning if it were abused etc., just normal every day stuff.)

I really feel for you so much. I can only say what I've experienced, it may or may not be the best thing for you. We had a giant schnauzer when my first child was a baby, so they sort of grew up together (he was a pup, huge!!!!!). My OH wanted him to be outside, I had never had a dog outside. Anyway, he would go crazy every time we were outside and having a toddler made it worse, she was running around being silly (of course) and the dog would get overexcited (of course!!!). So, back in we'd go as it was a nightmare. Then I put my foot down and he was an inside dog. After a couple of days both him and my child took everything for granted and were so used to each other and he was so used to be around us, that , no more over excitement. I'm not saying he was quiet!!!!But things improved 100%. Luckily both my children have been terrific with animals so there were no issues there, and we also had inside cats which the dog finally became accustomed to. He was fantastic and I"d love another one day! On the mouthing, with some dogs I've had I've found the only way is to get mean. ie. a very loud arrgh/growl EVERY time the dog mouths. May not work for you, just a thought. It's very very hard having a pup and a toddler, they egg each other on. Toddlers are very exciting and busy and loud, and for a pup to calm down, life has to be calm. It's no one's fault, just the way it is. I really think the more she is inside the more she will think it's normal, but, I do have a 1 and 2 year old dogs, and they, hmm, still hoon around inside, but only for a little while in the mornings and evenings. It is possible to stop them doing it, but it sort of doesn't bother me, I join in (very naughty), but when the game is over it's over!!! They have to settle. With a toddler, it means she'll have to understand to settle too, or the dog never will. You have a busy time ahead! I remember what it's like, kisses and hugs. I had to teach my daughter from a very young age what made our dog excited and that she musn't do it.She got knocked over so many times, but it toughened her up, she now works with lions and cheetahs!! Sort of had to train both pup and child together :rolleyes:

Hi. I'm no expert, but just a couple of thoughts. I agree with poodlefan about the exercise etc. at 9 months dogs need a fair bit of fun/play and general running around to be worn out. Not just neccessarily long walks (may harm their bones etc.) I dont' really think you can tell a dog off for chewing, destroying something you have left 'available'. It's up to the family to make sure there is nothing around that is handy for the dog to destroy.(aimed at OH) I was wondering if you use treats/rewards with training? My girls are crated at night and run madly to their beds every evening as they get a bedtime bickie!! I also am very quiet etc. about it, no excitement or fuss. They need a calm environment when going to bed. With the couch etc. if she is only allowed up when invited, make sure that this is very consistent. This means EVERY single time she gets up without an invite, she is told OFF once! and GENTLY forced off and not allowed back up. There is no need for lots of yelling and punishment, just more communication. You can teach her OFF with a treat. too if you want to. When she does get off tell her how good she is etc. even if she had to be pushed off at first. Then she realises what you want her to do. I can imagine how frustrating it is for you with OH!! My pup is very destructive (she's 1). We are lucky that we are home most of the time but she is crated when we are not here. She digs, eats furniture (and anything else going!!) and gets lots of exercise, attention etc. With us it's "Out of sight=in TROUBLE!!" She has improved a lot and I'm sure yours will too. At the time it just seems a LONG period. Good luck and try to get OHs head out of his arse!!

ok well i hijacked my mums DOL account lookin for a thread she showed me once before and id like to say i work in a Petshop which also holds the monopoly of the royal canin in my town and would like to say that every order there is atleast 1 or 2 products that get put on backorder due to them being unavailable. Being a more common dog*or maybe because it eats alot more than the other dogs?) the labrador (12kg or i think the large bag is in the lab range?) is usually not delivered due to warehouse bein empty. Royal Canin and Pisces are the 2 worst to order from so when they say they cant get anything from those 2 companies bear with it they are just as annoyed as you are.

The pool noodle idea is perfect!!! I have a few already, kids outgrew them. Thanks xxxx

Just wondering, mine love to retrieve in water too. Are there any such things as 'fake' ducks etc. soft ones, that are suitable for this? My Spinone in particular would love it and has a very soft mouth. She'd dive into ice if it meant retrieving something! The viz loves it too, but is more particular about water temperature Queenslander! I've seen (we have) furry ducks that quack, for the dogs, but they are not in any way waterproof and don't float. Any ideas gratefully accepted.xxxxx Sidoney, mine love a ramble to go pointing too.

I would love to go to that!! Tell us how it goes, photos of course. Do you know of any days like that around Hervey Bay? That day is also my birthday and monah's flyball day, also, a bit far for me. Sounds great though. Please , lots of info and photos next week!!!!xxxxx Monah said she likes the sound of the free sausage sizzle

Oh I wish we had this here, perfect for my HD dog!!!! How about starting it up!

OOh, vizsla stuff. My viz yawns at obed acts like a twit at agility, but LOVES ;) flyball!! she loves it to death, good for me because I don't have to get puffed out!! But I'm sure she would love tracking if there was somewhere nearby that did it. They pretty much just love it all, love life. Wow, FHRP, I had no idea Bundaberg had a gundog club!!! You are certainly full of usefull information!

One positive thing, she's obviously incredibly smart!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, I do find these puppy things funny, esp their faces when caught out.

Oh dear, you poor thing. It's great that you are at home though. My'baby' is not that bad, but she does 'seek and destroy', dig (if she's able!!), has ripped out and eaten my 60 prize bromeliads etc.(while I've been with her in th garden )ust loves to do these things. Anyway, at 11 months she is getting over it, but, I still have to watch her every minute. My pup has a great temp. is gorgeous and I would walk over hot coals for her. If we are not home, she is in her crate, otherwise with a human at all times (unlesss really tired, on the couch!). I have looked at it like having a toddler, out of sight = IN TROUBLE!!!!! Please, seeing as you are home, keep an eye on the pup at all times, consistant, NOs etc. do help. Very repetitive And yes, using the brain is great. Train the pup every day, it's really worth it. And remember she's a BABY. She needs lots of training, attention and your company. I find sometimes a dog will be 'naughty' just so you'll give them attention, good or bad. My pup has her head on my lap right now, so I know where she is If I'm on here, she's with me, and anywhere else I am. Even if I have to go to the letter box etc. we make sure she is with someone, or walks to the box, or in her crate. I don't think you can blame dogs for certain behaviours, esp pups. Some are destructive and some aren't, but with constant training, they do grow out of it. I think mine will take another year or so yet Hmm, she just took off and has opened turtle shrimps (food) all over my sons bed (he has several critters in his room), has slobbered all over his bed with smelly fish face so it'll have to be changed, AGAIN! and now she stinks like a rotton dead fish, so ANOTHER bath. There goes my Sunday morning!!! so, we are notfoolproof here either THis has just happenend in a 30 sec. burst of energy, my son left his door open!!! Who am I to give advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you have better luck than me chloebear!!!!!!

Good Good luck to you. I've been following this post avidly, having always been of the opinion that newfies are the perfect dog. I know you will sort this out and it is very hard work. I had a similar problem with my viz. for the first 12 months, (OMG hell) and got help. She's fantastic now!!!! I'm interested in what you say about breed variables. I think sometimes, even with all our research etc., there is not a lot of general info out there on what CAN happen and that breed descriptions don't necc. apply to every dog of that breed. I sort of did know this but had never had a bad exp. with any dog so felt rather secure about choice of breed. A shock when I got a fear biter etc. centitout was thinking of doing a dog book at one time, I love the idea as an HONEST book would be great. Too many dog articles etc. breed books, only state the positive things, not the %$$&^& stuff. I love newfies and Turtle (great name!) is gorgeous. Keep him in his place, if he is like my viz, give him an inch and he'll take a mile!!!

Congratulations on all your hard work!!! You've done a fantastic job. I love these positive stories

I too LOVE a good thunder storm and lightening display. Makes you feel truly alive. Fantastic. Also really miss fireworks. Growing up (in the olden days ), Guy Fawkes was a big thing. Whole streets would get together and 'pool' their fireworks and have a ball. The sky would be ablaze with fireworks and rockets for hours, it was a huge celebration and one looked forward to all year by us kids. I was (as were most people) devastated when it was banned. My friends have just returned form the UK where their kids experienced guy fawkes for the first time. They were away 9 weeks and saw most of europe, but all the teenagers can talk about was the fireworks night they had!!!!! Because it was one special night, all dogs would be locked up and OK. Now fireworks (professional) seem to go off for any reason and many people don't know about it so dogs take off. I had one dog who was terrified of storms/loud bangs etc. and could tell us about 5 hours before a storm would hit. Nothing worked with him, all our other dogs have been great and encouraged to have fun at these times, but Basil was not going to ever be persuaded, we were told it was to do with the electricity in the air? So, I watched the weather like a hawk, tied him up to our bed post with his rug etc. If he was given the run of the house during a storm he would try and get out and injure himself and wreck the house. You just have to find what works best for you and the dog. I would go straight home if a storm started but not many people can do that. I think if you have a dog who is like our Basil you have to be vigilant. He never got out etc. in 12 years of life, I made sure he didn't.

Hi, yes they can have HD so young and yes xrays will show it and yes even though the parents have ex. hip scores it can creep in from many years ago as it is pro genetic. Hope this isn't what your pup has. Please keep sane until you know what it is, you may be worrying about nothing. Good luck!xxx

Sorry I know nothing about bees pollen etc. Have you been xrayed for HD? I'm guessing you (doggie of course) has as you've financed os trips It gets a bit that way doesn't it? A friend of mine takes her dogs to a greyhound guy, don't know exactly what his proper title is but he fixes racing greyhounds, muscles, bones (chiro) etc. and is excellent and fixed her dog after many months of nothing. There must be many of these people around with all the greyhound racing going on. He really knows his stuff in this area. Just a thought. Good luck, what breed of dog do you have?

Our next door neighbour in Adel was an under cover cop who had a gsd, fully trained police dog living with him and his family. This dog was fantastic, a pussycat with the kids, no special dangerous dog etc. required (over 10 years ago though), but on the job he was all focus and work work work. Really beautiful. My firends have 2 rottie guard dogs here. They are just registered under guard dog, which costs a lot more but is tax deductable. They are not trained guard dogs, pound rescues, but people are frightened of them so it works well. They are sookier than just about any dog I know but I wouldn't want to try and get in the workshop at night!

I rescued a maltese cross that was exactly like this. He had never seen a bowl (or proper food only crusts thrown outside!!!), and was terrified of males. We ended up having him for 12 years and he was about 15 when he died of a stroke. Anyway, I don't know if it's the right thing but we allowed him to eat off the floor (yes messy) for a long time, until he was confident with all his new surroundings etc. He never became comfortable with a bowl but eventually ate from one. He was very very attached to me but not my OH. We just let him get on with it in his own time. It took 2 years until he would 'ask' for ohs attention etc. and want to be with him. We never forced it, ever. It depends on the dog, I know, but this worked in our situation. I think our dog would have freaked out if I had forced anything on him, he was badly neglected, broken ribs etc. He ended up being a great little companion and we all miss him. R. I. P. Fawlty.xxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Austen, very well bred dog from excellent breeder who did hip scores etc and I have results of parents. Excellent. Just one of those things. HD is genetic and can easily skip a few generations or else be from distant blood relations. The sire was an import so I don't know about his distant ancestors. I know all the relatives of the mother in Aust. all great. None of the others have HD. I could tell from the time she was about 12 weeks that 'something' was abit amiss but put it down to her quiet personality and her big feet. Very unco ordinated. By the time she was 5 months I'd had her to the vet a couple of times with 'leg problems' but we have other dogs so they put it down to wrestling. We rested her for 2 weeks and had her on previcox, all fine. As soon as I walked her a very little way her back leg was 'swinging out' and I knew there was something pretty wrong, had her xrayed the next day and the rest is history. Thanks for your interest. Do you have a problem??

Oh Horty we found out our young girl has HD too, about 6 weeks ago. It's a bugger. She's only 8 months old. Her 'ball' is not in it's socket. Went to a specialist and was told the stuff you seem to be doing. ie, joint food twice a day in food, limited exercise (puppies!!!!!!), swimming, lots of rest, massage etc. We are having another look in 6 months as sometimes things can improve with adulthood and then she may need a hip replacement, which he was very honest and said is not a cure all and there can be complications. We are lucky to have a pool and she loves it and has races with our viz to get the ball. The viz has always been a big swimmer but our pup was a bit scared as she cannot negociate the steps with her hips, so we firstly sat on the top step and 'helped!!!" her in. After a couple of days we couldn't get her out! I think she loves the feeling of weightlessness and she can retrieve to her hearts content whereas on land she is in pain. I love to see her enjoying herself so much. We went in with her the first few times for encouragement. I don't think theres any point waiting for a dog who's never swum to get in themselves. Just get them in without any scary moments and be really upbeat and hold them for the first couple of times so they dont panic about not being able to touch the bottom. Once they like it, believe me, you cant get them out! Our pup has improved greatly in her strength and can now outswim the viz. Good luck with your lovely dog. It's really heartbreaking so young because you want them to be able to have all the fun pups should be having. We also use the injections, and around 3 or 4 days per week she has previcox, a painkiller/antinflammatory, which gives her a good break from the pain etc. and you can tell when she's on it, there's such a difference. Poor baby!xxxxxxxxxxThinking of you Also use fish oil and sardines.

:D Hm no idea, sorry. I wouldn't say it's normal. How old is the dog? Maybe a testosterone surge or something's happenend. I've had many terriers, mostly Lakelands and never had an agression problem, more the other way :D they'd share anything with anyone!inc their food. What type of terrier, is it yours. sort of need a lot more info.xxxxx Is it one dog he's aggressive with or all dogs or just males etc???Was there a bitch in heat around the place? Could be anything really.

Jane Harper!!!!!! :D ;)

YAY!!!! sounds good! Gotta love the cat. They are great teachers!! Not a bad thing for her to be wary of the cat. You are doing so well, congratulations. Just want to say we did TOT too and it does really work on many levels with behaviour etc. Well worth the effort.xxxxxxxxxxxxkeep it up.Also, my friend has a dane with stomach probs a bit like yours. She tried other stuff but had to have the expensive food all the time and is fine. Experimenting wasn't worth it because every time the dog went downhill. If there is something that the dog can handle, I'd be inclined to stick with it. She uses hills too.

What awful neighbours you have! God . Anyway, What we did with our pup (we cant leave her 'alone' with our bossy older dog, she can be a cow!) was crate her (they both have crates) and the older dog is not crated during the day but in the same room, so they are company for each other. That way I know they are together but safe. I have to work to but am lucky enough to be able to come home a lot. I get up about 6am and really wear the dogs out so by the time I go to work they are really tired. I'm sure they don't even notice I'm gone!! and are very happy being together. They always get a treat for going in their crates/room (kids old play room), and are very happy with this situation, it is a habit and they know the drill. I can't really think what else you can do. Can you see all the neighbours or letter drop so they know you are currently training and the situation will improve, please be patient etc? Our neighbours have 2 cockers who are in a pen during the day and are only a year old. In the first few months they did get upset regularly and all the neighbours knew what was happening and were very happy to put up with it. They are great now, dear little dogs. We are very lucky in our street that no one ever complains about parties, dogs, kids, loud cars etc. We all know each other and live and let live. Wish I could help out. You must be very distressed. Where are you? We're in Hervey Bay. Could you let the neighbours know you will be home soon, (christmas, will you daughter be home soon for hols?) and please just give you a bit of time to settle the pup in? Good luck (nasty people), she is a very pretty dog, things will improvexxxxxxxxxxxxxPS I'd be very careful what toys you leave with her, stuffing, squeakers, eyes etc, can easily choke a dog. I even know one that ate it's blanky and was in a real mess internally, big op etc. Sorry, I am just a BIT neurotic.