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Hi - I would not go on any recommendation from that breeder - at all. I would also suggest you stay away from any of the same bloodlines . "looking nice", as you now know is not really important Definitely be guided by folks know the breed on here..and try to not be in a hurry . You might find helpful ideas HERE and HERE> responsible and ethical breeders will have pups vet checked ..have all the health details of parents' health tests for genetic problems ..and provide you support for puppyhood, if not a LIFETIME .

!! Sounds like severe injuries .Nasty.

Oh, Darby . Thank you for updating us on the poor little mite. it definitely sounds as if he was not meant for this earth ..and you giving him his wings is certainly the kindest option now ... The breeder will be , hopefully sent a letter from the vets - so there is no doubt at all he is made aware of what he is selling to people .NO EXCUSE then ... he may not be taking any responsibility , however he will then have all the info - and it may save someone else the heartache ..and save another poor puppy the pain . Thinking of you all ..you are doing the kindest and most generous thing , altho it feels dreadful.

!!!!! Oh Dear ;)

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This year we may have snakes in greater numbers , now there's ground cover and more life. must admit, since I got really serious with mouse baiting , the mouse population has dropped by about 90% ..and so too have snake tracks/snakes seen - esp in the aviary - simply no mice anymore- and that was the main source of the meeces previously . P C it is hard - and I appreciate your sentiments :)

It would be almost impossible to build a snake proof fence around a yard. Look at how snakes are contained in zoos etc- high concrete or other solid fencing! Snakes are remarkable in their agility and speed! All I can suggest is work out why they are coming to the yard???? Is there water?are there hides holes in shrubbery/under wood or sheds? Are there chooks/ aviaries/ people wo feed birds nearby? Any bird/ horse/ pet food will attract mice which are great snake food and which dig tunnels that snakes love to use!

A friend had a lovely dog once .. the happy product of a meeting between purebred English pointer and Greyhound . he was large, yellow & white, long ears ..and just gorgeous . Everyone would ask ..and it got tiring , so the answer became : ":he's a Sherak Hound" . (sherak was this dog's name ) Funnily enough it shut people up - they just thought it was a breed they 'should' know of ;)

may have been the perfume - or canola pollen - or spray used on canola? or? do you have any doggles ? is it worse in a particular room ..inside V outside ?

the mind boggles !! A little short legged beastie falling over its long hair LOL

:) First thing I would suggest is a diet change . try a grain free /artificial colour free diet ... also check yr garden for wandering dew plants ..and take note of where she pokes her face otherwise ... I am sure you will get lots more informed comments to help :)

Quite often we have blind blue heelers - koolies with blue eyes .....

Thanks hadn't thought of this a will ask the vet and see what he thinks it wouldn't be a common thing ..but while the blood is being tested ..it may as well have a tox screen too! Did the vet consider anti coagulant rodenticides as a cause? Are /were the dogs on any treatment , eg : vit K to stop the bleeding ? Obviously being of the same breeding , a genetic problem is entirely possible ..however, lots of other things need investigating as well . Don't just let the vet say "they had/have a clotting problem" and leave it at that !! As said previously , you NEED TO KNOW . is it lifelong , do you need to beware of injuries ? is it getting better since that episode ? LOTS of questions for the vet ! My link have a read here, too :)

NOT OUR DOGS - but still awful ...

we only use BIG CHEESE ..it has a very high safety margin - according to their statistics , a dog needs to eat around one kilo of it for a fatal dose , unlike some others, where 5 grams will be fatal . Anyhow, we've been using it for 3 years ..in every room , shed, outbuilding .The aviary /chookpen ...everywhere . No problems noted , and mice numbers reduced from a small town population , to the odd migrant . I was not using any baits for fear of losing animals ...but am very happy with this one :) Of course , baits need to be placed in secure containers, or under floors/in ceilings, in cages hung on trees/walls .. but I use this brand with complete confidence . the problem with BROMETHALIN is that is causes brain swelling - it acts in a different way to 'normal' poisons. Eaten in quantity ..it becomes fatal in just a few hours !!! TOMCAT is the only one I know of with this ingredient .

did you lose more than one? it wasn't OUR dogs :) it was someone we know ... he only had two ..now he has none .he thought the baits were safe in the laundry ...

Sorry to hear of that Was a diagnosis made ? Could the dogs have eaten something to have that effect ..or had any herbal or other medication ? The first stop would be the breeder of your dogs :) They will be able to fill you in as to what diseases they test for , and if there are incidences oh haemophilia in previous generations . They need to be told anyhow, if you haven't already ...

Yes, it was awful . Dogs were OK at bedtime last night - gone this morning

Ok - if you know about BROMETHALIN - stop reading . I had not heard of it until today when someone lost both their dogs overnight as a result of said dogs eating rat baits in the laundry of their house . BROMETHALIN can cause brain swelling . Ataxia, tremors and seizures are apparently present . In high doses it is fast acting . One of the dogs was Don's father - RIP "Dog" . The lab part of him seems to have been his downfall ...gutsing mouse baits We use the BIG CHEESE baits ..they contain DIFENACOUM , which has a high safety margin . from the B C page : For example, a Rat would need to eat only a small amount of The Big Cheese Difenacoum bait to be fatal, however a dog would need to eat well over 1 kilogram of The Big Cheese Bait.

What a very sad happening poor little ones having such a painful and short life .

if he's still not eating happily ... I would suggest a second opinion . is he drinking/peeing OK now? Did the vet show you how to check for dehydration? Don't change food quickly .. and , until you find out what the problem is , try & avoid extremely fatty/oily foods . A tummy unused to handling even 'normal' food in a decent quantity just needs 'baby' type - simple and plain ...obviously meat has some fat in - that's essential :)

:) glad the vet visit went ok , and hope the painkillers will give you both a good night :)

BBQ chicken is great :) I'm surprised the vet didn'[t suggest something like NUTRIGEL .. it's a tasty paste which can be of help to ill and convalescing animals .... Drinking is more important . make some chicken soup (NO ONION or salt) and see if he'll drink some :) scrambled egg? Nature's gift canned food ...

What a worry for you , sars - no bad back experience here , but hope the vet can be of help - you know the routine ..no jumping or steps , keep her warm ..maybe a wheat pak on her back to relax the muscles ? Oh - and rescue remedy for you both ;)

Grab a cuppa (or 3) and have a read. there is a raw diet to suit EVERYONE in this thread - from simple home recipes to ready made .. :) the pros & cons, and ingredients :) RAW & NATURAL CHITCHAT