Janba

Seeing as I can't walk well mine never get walked but excersised in the yard and do mind games but the weather is playing havoc with that. The BCs are a bit stir crazy - the dally couldn't care less, she spends all day in bed

It is often not that the working dog doesn't meet the standard but that it doesn't how the standard is interpreted and judged. Take BCs for example. The standard has requirements for marking only that the basic colour must predominate yet you would be very hard pressed to get looked at in the show ring with a dark tri colour like the one in my avatar even if he had perfect conformation. He actually fits the standard relatively well except cosmetic features like his prick ears and light eyes and he is a bit too tall. This is one of his daughters at a year old to an ANKC show bred bitch. She is showable and she works, maybe not as well as a lot of good pure working bred dogs but good enough work for a living, probably 3 sheep and top level ANKC trials when she is trained.

One was shown and one a pet but from parents who were shown. There really should be no difference in health between the show and pet pups from one litter or from one breeder. The difference between a show quality dog and a pet quality one should be in the finer points of conformation not in health.

Are working dogs different in construction or is the difference in the current fashion an interpretation of the standard for the breed ring? Fashions change in the show ring. These are 2 top winning BCs from the 70s. The basic structure of a sound working dog is no different to the basic structure of the dog in the breed standard, it is the interpretation of the standard and the cosmetic features that causes the difference between the working and show lines in appearance.

From my personal experience limited of pugs I will relate 2 cases among the pugs I have known. The first died from overheating on a mild day and the second made you shudder to be in his presence with the noise of his breathing. They were both ANKC registered and from well known breeders. Not all pugs have these problems and the good breeders and owners I see post on here and other forums do seem to do their best to breed a healthy pug but obviously that is not always the case. Look at the number of threads on here where pugs have undergone surgery to correct soft palate problems etc. There are pugs who can compete flyball, agility etc, who have wide open nostrils etc and breathe well but there are also ones with a myriad of problems. You need to looks at the whole picture and say "what can be done about breeders who breed for wins rather than health?" ETA This is not just pugs but any breed.

We haven't been able to start training again because of the wet. I am expecting Cole to take of where he left off last year but who knows. This year except for the BC club point score and maybe the state titles I will only compete B course. Piper, at the end of last year I started doing things like driving figure 8s round witches hats, driving the 3 sheep course etc and found Cole really improved in his listening to me because he didn't know what I wanted next. I also made sure I gave him a reason for working like penning at the end or driving to rotate stock. I also did this with his shed by penning the sheep I shed off and it really seemed to help his understanding that I wanted "these sheep" and he could ignore the others. ETA I have not been in the A course except for trials since Aug last year and have been training in the open 3 sheep arena.

All 3 of mine go to their respective feeding places as I prepare their dinner. Mishka, the dally, wolfs hers down. Cole goes to his crate and chews every mouthful 50 times and finishes last. Moss waits till I walk away and eats relatively slowly. If he has any large pieces he takes them outside to eat while I guard the rest of his meal from the crocodal. ETA Moss is a very polite dog :laugh:

That's how it worked with the early ISDS Border Collies but I wasn't sure about Boxers. Breed development and registry development is fascinating.

Probably because they are a relatively late arrival to KC registration and the show scene. Australia recognised them as show dogs in the early 60s, UK in the 70s and US in the 90s. Google Old Hemp - he is considered to be the founding sire of the modern border collie a working dog.

I'm having the same problem as Anne. Try the view by page instead of view all link I first posted. There are 50 pages http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/?start=0 That's done it! Thanks. No Cavaliers. Probably because the cavalier as a seperate breed didn't happen till the late 1920s

The numbers don't seem to follow a chronological order. Maybe a boxer person will know more. FLOCK ST SALVATOR No.14 Dog - March 1894 (Light Fawn) Sire - Box St Salvator No.59 (Light Fawn) Dam - Mary von Nymphenburg No.65

I've seen this photo before except it was labelled as a pitbull. The dog is Flock St Salvator and can be found part way down the page on the site http://www.ukboxerdogs.co.uk/history.html

I'm having the same problem as Anne. Try the view by page instead of view all link I first posted. There are 50 pages http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/?start=0

Working sheepdog. A border collie who isn't KC or ISDS registered ETA The UK KC recognizes the ISDS (International Sheepdog Society, the original BC registry) as a registry so ISDS dogs are usually registered on the KCs registry when registered for obedience. Thanks Janba. Is ISDS the organisation who is somewhat against show/bench dogs? I don't know that they are actively against show/bench dogs but don't recognise KC pedigrees which I think is the same for most the working BC registries world wide where as most KCs recognise the main working registry pedigrees. The working registries pre date the show registries. The main US working registry, ABCA, is anti show dogs and will deregister any dog that gets a conformation title.

Lots of Border Collie's (in all the teams) ...... but was that a German Shepherd I saw in the winning team??? Lovely to see Australia being represented The GSD was their reserve dog. The 3 working sheepdogs were the ones who competed. Still nice to see they were picked for the team.

I get mine from Paringa in Blacktown. They will deliver Sydney metro and do a wide variety of fresh meats http://www.paringapetfoods.com.au/dog_food

From the Cervood website http://www.chervood-kennel.com/offspring/boom.html Sorry...your point being? It shows the dogs right eye.

There are 33 photos of Borzois. If you view all instead of page by page and do a browser "find" for borzoi they are there. Just a random 3

The dogue died of idiopathic larangeal paralysis as it was leaving (I heard the building not the ring). This condition can be congenital and can be caused by other things. I will try to find the link again.

I posted this link in another thread but thought it would interest people not following that thread. There are photos of dogs from about 1900 onwards as well as older drawings and paintings. If you look down the right hand side there are sub albums for many breeds. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/?start=all ETA view by page link - there are 50 pages http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/?start=0

I found this site that shows historical pictures of breeds from around 1900. Not all are represented but many are. If you look down the right hand side he has sub albums for some breeds. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/?start=all

The paper might be the ones who don't know that labs and goldies are different breeds.

Pax is reserve I think.

It was there Look at about 2.16

Working sheepdog. A border collie who isn't KC or ISDS registered ETA The UK KC recognizes the ISDS (International Sheepdog Society, the original BC registry) as a registry so ISDS dogs are usually registered on the KCs registry when registered for obedience.