Janba

Ann did do a demo of a started A with Jinnie. I didn't see the beginning so she may have stood at the B cone to send her dog rather than on the A cone closer to the sheep. She may also have done an advanced demo but I didn't see as I was instructing in another arena. In started A in a minimum sized arena the B cone (where the dog is left) is just over 15 metres from where the sheep are set and the A cone where te handler can stand only a few metres from the sheep so the cast is not that bad if your dog arcs round its sheep. The ANKC rules are designed most of the time to allow for the difficulty of each level to progress nicely and to allow the hanler to trial at a lower level but still work some of the harder elements of the higher levels. The exception is started B which does not allow you to do any driving.

Well done! Out of which class? Piper has a huge brog when she comes back here.

Ann and Twist also got 99 1/2 in Advanced B but she won it with Jinnie on a count back. Cole came 4th in advanced A with his 96 so the standard here is very high. I might have to do an interstate trip to try for his HIT for his championship from A Course - it is really jhard to beat the good started dogs who regularly get 99s and 100s ETA Twists run in B Course was absolutely beautiful watch - she never put a foot wrong and lost the 1/2 on the fetch for a slight offline which considering how the sheep were was extremely good work.

I have a brag from the weekend. We had a double herding trial and despite the fact that Cole has forgotten how to cast and the B Course sheep were wild and wooley - they didn't really drive it was more a case having the dog in the right position to block the escape back to the let out area he did manage some good work. Cole managed to get 2 passes at Advanced B and 2 passes at Advanced A with a score of 96 today. And his Jinnie did a beautiful run in Advanced A for 99 1/2 and a HIT giving her her herding championhip and Ann also got a HIT with Twist in B yesterday giving Twist her verstaile herding championship.

Well done Sherlot

I didn't answer the poll a it varied between dogs. I had one dog I had a love hate relationhip with for about 3 years then we really bonded. He was a top dog, even though he had agression problems, and it broke my heart when he was PTS at 13. The 3 I have now it varied. The dallie took a month or so till she really became her own person not a replacement for my previous dal, my black and white border was just always a really nice dog but I still think he would be happier with a family with did more with him but he has a loving home here for life. He is exactly what I was looking for at the time - a low drive BC - but it wasn't really what I wanted in hindsight. Cole I fell in love with when I collected him at the airport and maybe because he was the result of a long planned dream. He is a dog that is very atuned to me and he tries his heart out for me. I really think the bonding time varies from dog to dog and what your expectation are for the dog and it can differ from dog to dog. Edited spelling

What are the details of the clinic?

I would second what JulesP said. BCs can be very sensative and very oriented to their own pack. She needs time to adjust to her new enviroment.

I am looking what has happened over the last 30 years. If you definition of typey is what fits the breed standard not necessarily what wins I would agree but if it is what wins it is often what fits with the current fashion. I am looking at a breed that still performs its original function and while are top show dogs still could conformationally there are also a lot lot who physically couldn't because of their type.

I sat with some people one day who had a long bodied short legged BC and almost asked if it was a corgi/BC cross. Glad I didn't as it was a show champion BC. It may have been sound and passed all its health checks but there is no way the dog could have worked all day or had the speed to get to the head of the sheep if necessary. It also had such heavy bone it would have had stress injuries if worked hard. I really think when you are looking at the show ring you need to differentiate between the current fashion and the breed type that could do what the breed was originally intended to do and they are not necessarily compatable. It is not a working vs show issue but a structure issue and type issue. Typey is fashion. I personally would want a dog that is structurally sound over a dog that fits the current fashion for the breed. Fashions change but soundness doesn't and if you breed towards unsound dogs because that is what wins in the shown ring it will cause more problems than breeding sound dogs that fit the standard but might not be right for the current show ring fashion.

Sounds like it was a good day. We had our first herding trial of the year yesterday - A course only as B was cancelled. Despite doing one of the worst casts I seen him do for a while - narrow and cut in at the top and a major handler stuff up before the hold pen Cole managed to score 93 in advanced A.

How entire male dogs react to a bitch in season can vary greatly from dog to dog. My entire dog only really worries about an in season bitch for the few days she's standing. When the bitch across the road comes in season he sits on the lounge and howls mournfully for a few days but never tries to escape to get to her and he has been used so he knows what it is all about. Some males are the opposite and will realy fret around a bitch in season and you won't know what your dog is like till you encounter the situation.

true ? what do you mean ? Do you have real proof that this happened not just the word of someone who doesn't want to speak to anyone about it? Are you sure it is not just a story to cover the getting rid of a pup? If it is true it is disgusting and I hope the person is found Edityed because I had the wrong quote.

I have a couch potato BC. He is a low drive dog and quite content to spend much of his life asleep on a chair. He is show lines and a low drive dog but can be active when I want him to be. A lot depends on the individual BC and it also depends on how good their off switch is. Even my working bred BC turns off and lies around if I am not doing anything.

But it's not recognised by the AKC so what is to stop her standardising the breed here? It's certainly happened before - BC and JRT come to mind. 2 breeds developed in Australia without the consent of the country of origin. Border collies were well developed in the country of origin before the ANKC decided they should be show dogs. They also have their own registry in the country of origin that was founded in 1906 and recognized by almost every KC around the world but not the ANKC ahh rightyo - thanks for that. A bit OT but why werent they shown over there before Aus breeders developed the standard and were the Brits anti having them registered as conformation dogs? Because they are primarily a working dog and the cosmetic points of comformation have absolutely no effect on their ability to work. As a point of history NZ had the first BC standard not Australia.

But it's not recognised by the AKC so what is to stop her standardising the breed here? It's certainly happened before - BC and JRT come to mind. 2 breeds developed in Australia without the consent of the country of origin. Border collies were well developed in the country of origin before the ANKC decided they should be show dogs. They also have their own registry in the country of origin that was founded in 1906 and recognized by almost every KC around the world but not the ANKC

I asked the kelpie owner and it wasn't EIC but bought on by other problems.

No Persephone...the vet thought it was heat exhaustion initially but when I explained that it happens in all weather, she was a little stumped. She'd heard of the condition but wasn't too sure about it. Is there a specialist vet I should be seeing?? Janba, if you could ask that person, it would be great. It's horrible when it happens and all I can do is sit there and wait with him until he recovers. Denise Wall who posted a couple of the videos in the link I gave is very knowledgeable and very approachiable. Send her a mesage if there is a link and ask her about it - she is a scientist. ETA PM Ness from DOL and ask her about it too

It is the complete recovery in a realively short time with nolasting effects that differs from heat exhaustion and other physical problems. edited cause I can't spell

I might have seen a case amn older kelpie at a few years ago at a herding clinic in very hot weather. He collapsed with a very wobbly gait just before the collapse. He was treated as heat exhaustion but recovered completely in a short while. I will be seeing his owner tomorrow so will ask him about it.

I have no experience with it in Kelpies it is present in Border Collies. Border Collies and Kelpies share a lot of the same heritage so I would google it in BCs. There is work being done on it in the US with BCs. http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vbs/faculty/Mickels...ieEIC/home.html

Those staffies never jumped out the window to attack the baby though. They jumped out to have a go at the dog. It was just a mishap that the carriage got knocked over. As I said before, if there were dog-aggressive dogs around, wouldn't your dogs be your highest priority? Her words clearly enunciated what the situation prescribed, which was for her to get her dogs the hell away from those staffies. Therefore, her choice of words were perfectly fine and your statement is invalid because of the fact that there were other people around to help. No it isn't as the baby was on the ground and possibly in danger of being caught uo in the attack etc and intially the man knocked out. My response was in reply to these words My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs. If the OP had worded the post slightly differently it would have made a difference to peoples responses. I don't think the OP did anything wrong.

My feeling is that it is not the OPs actions, given that there were plenty of people coming help, but her choice of words. My dogs safety is never more important than a human life if there is no other choice or no other help BUT if there is ample help for the human then I will remove my dogs to safety.

There won't be a next litter for a long time. This pup had been in the planning for 12 months and if everything had been OK would have been at least another 6 months before the litter was born. There are very few litters born in Aus with the bloodlines I want Beautiful pups every one congrats and enjoy them I'll go back to lurking in this thread and enjoying puppy pictures.

I was thinking the same thing :D Unlike their wild counterparts we condition our dogs to be fed around the same time each day then grumble because they get hungery and remind us that it is dinner time - a bit like kids Mine don't whinge unless I am very late with their dinner but the moment I make dog food preparation moves they can get vocal.