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Yes we wouldnt want our dogs mistaken for the killer demon breed now would we? Another attack with no proof it was an American Pit Bull Terrier. Has anyone seen pics of the supposed dog? The guy could have been a RSPCA paid actor for all we know But yet again the state canine clubs all agree its the best thing by bending over and cutting a breed loose to save theirs Easier to run to the hills rather than get their breeds caught up in the hysteria. This could be stopped if every dog breeds club in Australia stood firm and said NO WE WONT ACCEPT THIS! But no, its not a registered or recognised breed! Its about to affect your breeds too Its still a dog damn it! If the EDBA and APBT club hadnt let personalities and egos clash for the spotlight we could have ALL stopped bsl! The RS(Peta)A have won the war! I remember asking the German Shepherd club of Aust for help in saving the APBT, only to be told they wouldnt lift a finger to help, virtually told to F off! Flame away, someone needed to say this! Scott

If you tell them its an Amstaff and its an Amstaff..... Its an Amstaff! They cannot legally dispute it! Nor are they qualified to. If you tell them its a Poodle and its an Amstaff.... Its a Poodle If you tell them its a rabbit and its an Amstaff.... Its a Rabbit! Threaten to personally sue not only Qantas but whoever refuses to allow the booking if its disputed. You wont have any problems. Ive flown pure Pits with Qantas, the baggage guys couldnt have given a stuff what the breed was.

Good stuff! Common sense is not dead in Calgary. I would love to send as many pollies on a junket tour to see what is being done here! Would be taxpayer $$ well spent!

A couple of pampered years in the pen and he expects to resume his career. I hope everything he touches turns to brown stuff Im all for doing the time.... but i highly doubt he did it tough, got it a lot easier than his dogs ever did. Thats my vent Vick released from prison

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

I would say the latter. Wasnt sure if we would have to have the pet trained with therapy training to be more relaxed and at ease with our kids. Or whether obedienced or advanced obedience would work.... or whether its just something the pup would pick up being raised in the family? The last thing we want is to have a puppy or dog constantly nervous or freaked when the little one gets upset.

Thanks for the replies Ive been in contact with Ataraxia quite a few times over the last few weeks, Craig from Ataraxia has been a huge help. Ive also made enquiries overseas and the breeders I have spoken to have put me in contact with a few owners of Boerboels who have them with kids with ASD.We are looking at a female as we have been advised males are a bit more full on, females are much more gentle and reserved. This is why Im making enquiries now about the best ways to find the most advanced training possible so we dont have any problems down the line. We have been in contact with lilli quite a bit too (hi lilli) She is as always helpful.

Thanks

Hi all We are seriously thinking about getting a puppy in about 2 months (Boerboel or CAO hasn't been decided yet) and Im very curious in finding out about the levels of training available. We have 2 kids, one has severe Autism, the other may have Aspergers. I have been reading about the use of Boerboels as therapy dogs for special needs kids now being done in South Africa and the U.S. We have seen the emergence of Autism assistance dogs, having looked into them and seen the waiting list of dogs available to people waiting and also cost makes getting one almost impossible. Does anyone know if there are trainers or courses for training therapy dogs in Vic? Ive seen so many dogs o/s trained as therapy dogs, surely there must be some out here??? What levels of training are needed before doing therapy training? If anyone can help with advice I' really appreciate it Scott

Good to see theres still a few of the crew kicking goals still! Have poked my head in to keep an eye on how things have been going Ive been flat out fighting my own fight, wish I could help more than I have been

Great to see you all still stickin it to the man! Ive always believed that by sticking to your guns you wouldnt or couldnt fail! You guys are a credit to dogs and dog owners all over Something others have half attempted to do but have failed! Keep up the good fight! Im still cheerin for yas Scott

It takes a special person to rescue any dog,but to rescue a broken Apbt and try to show her that we are not all bad takes true heart! So sorry that this girl couldnt recover from the circumstances from which she came Choppa Chop! Take heart in knowing that someone who truly loves the breed made the decision to set her free. Im sure she found more happiness in her short time with you than she had ever known Run free Dolce Scott

Heres the NSW laws Division 5 Special restrictions for other dogs 55 Interpretation (1) The following dogs are restricted dogs for the purposes of this Act: (a) American pit bull terrier or pit bull terrier, (b) Japanese tosa, © dogo Argentino, (d) fila Brasileiro, (d1) any other dog of a breed, kind or description whose importation into Australia is prohibited by or under the Customs Act 1901 of the Commonwealth, (e) any dog declared by a council under Division 6 of this Part to be a restricted dog, (f) any other dog of a breed, kind or description prescribed by the regulations for the purposes of this section. (2) In this Division: existing restricted dog means a dog that is a restricted dog as at the relevant date. proposed restricted dog means a dog that is the subject of a proposed declaration by a council under section 58C. relevant date means the date on which Division 6 of this Part (as inserted by the Companion Animals Amendment Act 2005) commences. transition period means the period beginning on the relevant date and ending 12 months after that date. 56 Owner of restricted dog must comply with control requirements (1) The owner of a restricted dog must ensure that each of the following requirements is complied with: (a) Desexing In the case of an existing restricted dog, the dog must be desexed within 28 days after the relevant date. In the case of a dog declared by a council under Division 6 of this Part to be a restricted dog, the dog must be desexed within 28 days after it is declared to be a restricted dog. In the case of any other restricted dog born after the relevant date, the dog must be desexed within 3 months of being born. (a1) Enclosure requirements While the dog is on property on which the dog is ordinarily kept, the dog must be kept in an enclosure that complies with the requirements prescribed by the regulations. In the case of an existing restricted dog, or a restricted dog born within 3 months after the relevant date, the owner has 6 months from the relevant date to comply with this paragraph. Otherwise, the owner has 3 months from the date on which the restricted dog is born or 3 months from the date on which the dog is declared to be a restricted dog under Division 6 of this Part (as the case requires) to comply with this paragraph. (a2) Until such time as the requirement under paragraph (a1) is complied with in relation to the dog, the dog must, while on property on which it is ordinarily kept, be kept in an enclosure that is sufficient to restrain the dog and prevent a child from having access to the dog. (b) The dog must not at any time be in the sole charge of a person under the age of 18 years. © One or more signs must be displayed on that property showing the words “Warning Dangerous Dog” in letters clearly visible from the boundaries of the property on which the dog is ordinarily kept or, if the regulations provide for the signs required by this paragraph, complying with the regulations. (c1) Distinctive collar must be worn The dog must at all times wear a collar of the kind prescribed by the regulations. (d) Dog must be kept on lead and be muzzled Whenever the dog is outside its enclosure, the dog: (i) must be under the effective control of some competent person by means of an adequate chain, cord or leash that is attached to the dog and that is being held by (or secured to) the person, and (ii) must be muzzled in a manner that is sufficient to prevent it from biting any person or animal. For the purposes of this paragraph, a dog is not considered to be under the effective control of a person if the person has more than 2 dogs (one of which is the restricted dog) under his or her control at the one time. (e), (f) (Repealed) (g) The owner must notify the council of the area in which the dog is ordinarily kept of the following matters within the time specified in relation to each of those matters: (i) that the dog (with or without provocation) has attacked or injured a person or animal (other than vermin)—notice to be given within 24 hours after the attack or injury, (ii) that the dog cannot be found—notice to be given within 24 hours after the dog’s absence is first noticed, (iii) that the dog has died—notice to be given as soon as practicable after the death, (iv) (Repealed) (v) that the dog is no longer being ordinarily kept in the area of the council—notice to be given as soon as practicable after the change of location, (vi) that the dog is being ordinarily kept at a different location in the area of the council—notice to be given as soon as practicable after the change of location. (h) Registration of dog In the case of a dog declared by a council under Division 6 of this Part to be a restricted dog, the dog must, regardless of its age, be registered (if not already registered) within 7 days after it is declared to be a restricted dog. (2) An owner of a dog who does not comply with any of the requirements of this section is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units. (3) The requirements imposed under this section on the owner of a restricted dog are additional to the other requirements of this Act imposed on the owner of a dog. (4) In the event of an inconsistency between this section and the provisions of any agreement, covenant or instrument, this section is to prevail, but to the extent only of the inconsistency. 57 Restricted dog may be seized if control requirements not complied with (1) Seizure during transition period An authorised officer may, during the transition period, seize a restricted dog if the officer is satisfied that any of the requirements of section 56 have not been complied with in relation to the dog. (2) If a dog is seized under subsection (1), Part 7 applies in relation to the dog. (3) However, a claim for the dog may be made under section 64 only if an authorised officer of the council of the area in which the dog is ordinarily kept is satisfied that each of the requirements of section 56 is capable of being complied with in relation to the dog. (4) Seizure after transition period If, after the transition period, an authorised officer of a council is satisfied that any of the requirements of section 56 have not been complied with in relation to a restricted dog, the authorised officer may seize the dog. (5) If a dog is seized under subsection (4): (a) the dog is to be delivered as soon as possible to a council pound, and (b) the council or the pound operator, as the case requires, may destroy the dog. (6) Part 7 (other than sections 68 and 69) does not apply in relation to a dog that is seized under subsection (4). 57A Prohibition on selling restricted dog or proposed restricted dog (1) A person who sells, or advertises the sale of, a restricted dog or proposed restricted dog is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units. Note. The term “sell” extends to the transfer of owner by any means, including by gift. Abandoning an animal is also an offence—see section 11 of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979. (2) A person does not commit an offence under this section by reason only of surrendering a dog to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation. Note. A restricted dog that is surrendered to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation cannot be sold. 57B Prohibition on accepting ownership of restricted dog or proposed restricted dog (1) A person who accepts ownership of a restricted dog or proposed restricted dog is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units. (2) A person does not commit an offence under this section by reason only of taking delivery of, or detaining, a dog under Part 7 or as the consequence of a dog being surrendered to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation. 57C Prohibition on breeding restricted dog or proposed restricted dog A person: (a) who causes or permits a restricted dog or proposed restricted dog to breed with any other dog, or (b) who advertises that a restricted dog or proposed restricted dog is available for breeding, is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units. 57D Council-declared restricted dogs may be seized and destroyed after transition period (1) This section applies to any dog that becomes, any time after the transition period, a restricted dog because of a declaration by a council under Division 6 of this Part. (2) However, this section does not apply to any such dog if: (a) the dog was, before the relevant date, registered under this Act (or a corresponding Act of another State or Territory) otherwise than as a breed or kind of dog referred to in section 55 (1) (a)–(d1) or as a cross-breed of any such breed or kind of dog, and (b) no person has been convicted, whether before or after the relevant date, of an offence under section 16 (1) (or a similar offence under a corresponding Act of another State or Territory) as a result of the dog rushing at, attacking, biting, harassing or chasing any person or animal. (3) An authorised officer may seize a dog to which this section applies. The officer may do so regardless of whether the requirements of section 56 have been, or are capable of being, complied with in relation to the dog. (4) If a dog is seized under subsection (3): (a) the dog is to be delivered as soon as possible to a council pound, and (b) the council or the pound operator, as the case requires, may destroy the dog. (5) Part 7 (other than sections 68 and 69) does not apply in relation to a dog that is seized under subsection (3). 58 Civil liability of owner of restricted dog The mere fact that a dog is a restricted dog does not affect the civil liability of the owner of the dog in any proceedings (other than proceedings under this Act). Division 6 Declaration by councils of dogs as restricted dogs 58A Notice of intention to declare dog to be restricted dog (1) If a council is of the opinion that a dog: (a) is of a breed or kind of dog referred to in section 55 (1) (a)–(d1), or (b) is a cross-breed of any such breed or kind of dog, the council may give notice to the owner of the dog of the council’s intention to declare the dog to be a restricted dog. (2) The notice is to be in the approved form and must set out: (a) the requirements that the owner of the dog will be required to comply with if the declaration is made, and (b) the procedures associated with obtaining a breed or temperament assessment (as referred to in section 58C) in relation to the dog. (3) Without limiting the grounds on which a council may decide to give a notice of intention to declare a dog to be a restricted dog, any such notice may be given at the request of the owner of the dog concerned. 58B Obligations of owner when notified of proposed restricted dog declaration (1) If a notice is given under section 58A to the owner of a dog of a council’s intention to declare the dog to be a restricted dog, the owner must ensure that at all times while the dog is away from the property where it is ordinarily kept: (a) it is under the effective control of some competent person by means of an adequate chain, cord or leash that is attached to the dog and that is being held by (or secured to) the person, and (b) it has a muzzle securely fixed on its mouth in such a manner as will prevent it from biting any person or animal. Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units. (2) For the purposes of subsection (1) (a), a dog is not considered to be under the effective control of a person if the person has more than 2 dogs (one of which is the dog the subject of the proposed declaration) under his or her control at the one time. (3) This section applies in respect of a dog: (a) for 28 days after the notice is given to the dog’s owner, or (b) until the council notifies the owner that the council has made the proposed declaration or has decided not to make it, whichever happens first. (4) While this section applies in respect of a dog, an authorised officer may seize the dog if the officer is satisfied that: (a) the requirements of subsection (1) have not been complied with in relation to the dog, or (b) the dog is not confined, tethered or restrained in such a way as to prevent the dog attacking or chasing a person lawfully at the property where the dog is ordinarily kept. (5) If a dog is seized under subsection (4), Part 7 applies in respect of the dog with the following modifications: (a) a claim for the dog may be made under section 64 only if an authorised officer is satisfied that the requirements of subsection (1) are capable of being complied with in relation to the dog and the dog is reasonably capable of being confined, tethered or restrained in such a way as to prevent the dog attacking or chasing a person lawfully at the property where the dog is ordinarily kept, (b) if the dog is declared to be a restricted dog by the council, the dog may not be destroyed under section 64 until 7 days after notice is given to the owner of the dog under section 58D. 58C Council may declare dog to be restricted dog (1) Declaration by council If a notice of intention to declare a dog to be a restricted dog is given under section 58A to the owner of the dog, the council that gave the notice may, after the period of 28 days following the giving of the notice, declare the dog to be a restricted dog. It does not matter if the dog is ordinarily kept in another council’s area. (2) Certification in relation to dog’s breed or temperament may be provided A council is not to declare the dog to be a restricted dog if, within the period of 28 days following the giving of the notice under section 58A, the owner of the dog: (a) provides the council with a written statement by an approved breed assessor to the effect that the dog: (i) is not of a breed or kind of dog referred to in section 55 (1) (a)–(d1), and (ii) is not a cross-breed of any such breed or kind of dog, or (b) provides the council with: (i) a written statement by an approved breed assessor to the effect that the dog is not of a breed or kind of dog referred to in section 55 (1) (a)–(d1) but is a cross-breed of any such breed or kind of dog, and (ii) a written statement by an approved temperament assessor to the effect that the dog is not a danger to the public and is not likely, without provocation, to attack or bite any person or animal. (3) Without limiting the form in which a written statement by an approved breed assessor may be in for the purposes of subsection (2), any such written statement may be in the form of, or comprise, a certificate that is of a kind or description prescribed by the regulations. (4) The owner of a dog that is the subject of a proposed declaration under this section: (a) cannot, despite any other provision of this Act, rely on or produce, any evidence with respect to the dog’s breed or temperament (including any information entered on the Register as to the dog’s breed) apart from a written statement as referred to in this section, and (b) is liable to pay for any costs associated with obtaining a written statement from an approved breed assessor or approved temperament assessor for the purposes of this section. (5) A council may, in any particular case, extend the 28-day period referred to in subsection (2) for a further period because of extenuating circumstances. (6) Any written statement provided by an approved breed assessor or approved temperament assessor for the purposes of this section may not be challenged, reviewed, quashed or called into question on any grounds before any court or tribunal in any legal proceedings. 58D Council to notify dog owner of decision and consequences (1) A council must give notice to the owner of a dog when it declares the dog to be a restricted dog or decides not to declare the dog to be a restricted dog. The notice must be given within 7 days after the declaration or decision is made. (2) A notice that a dog has been declared a restricted dog must set out the requirements and restrictions imposed on the owner under this Part and the date or dates by which the owner must comply with those requirements. (3) A declaration by a council under this Division: (a) has effect from the date specified in the notice or the date on which notice is given (whichever is the later), and (b) has effect throughout the State and is not limited in its operation to the area of the council that made the declaration, and © may be revoked at any time by the council that made the declaration. (4) A declaration or other decision by a council under this Division is final and is not subject to any appeal or review. (5) A council that makes or revokes a declaration under this Division must give notice to the Director-General within 7 days. 58E Protection from liability of assessors An approved breed assessor or approved temperament assessor does not incur any civil or criminal liability in respect of anything done or omitted to be done in good faith by the assessor in connection with carrying out an assessment of a dog’s breed or temperament for the purposes of this Division. 58F Persons authorised to provide certain information to councils (1) Any person (other than a council) who is authorised by or under this Act to identify or register companion animals may, despite any other Act or law, provide any information (including the person’s opinion as to the breed or temperament of a dog) to a council that may result in any action being taken by the council under this Division in relation to a dog. (2) A person does not incur any criminal or civil liability (including liability for breaching any duty of confidentiality) for providing any such information to a council if the information is provided in good faith.

Heres Victorias Victorian Legislation

What a sad day A true breed ambassador lost Condolences to your family from all of us

My condolences to your family :D Run free in doggy heaven Kuta

;) im sorry i just have to laugh because that is soooo familiar. I too rushed my pom x to the vet to have his 'lumps' checked out. Id never had my own dog before so I really had no clue, he was only 6mths old and was having a nice old snooze in the sun when I grabbed him, put him in the car & drove the 1hr 15mins to the nearest vet. We were out camping, during xmas holiday time & the vet was called in on her day off only to explain to me that it was nothing terminal. I walked out not only red faced, but well informed on the anatamy of kangaroos as this is what she used as a reference ie what kangaroos do with their 'lumps' when they jump over fences!! Thats my girl!

Also know that X pitbull does not have to wear the muzzle, so dont let anyone at obedience training tell you to muzzle him because of it ;) .. Thanks for that Ive already spoken at length with my local councils about our boy and were told the same

We have found a trainer more than willing to accept our boy He starts basic obedience in 2 weeks with no restriction in how highly trained we want him to be! We will have a breed ambasador by the time he is finished. Thanks to all for your thoughts, comments and recommendations

Thanks for letting me know Make you wonder why if they are safer than a choker? would I be correct in assuming some scaremongering was involved in getting them banned?.. But that doesnt happen in modern day Australia does it?... Oh I love sarcasm

Back on the subject of prong collars,where are these collars sold? are they only available through dog trainers? also can they be used for everyday walking or better for training purposes only? Ive honestly never seen them in the big pet supply places(although they may have been sitting there waving at me) with regards to fitting,do they need to be fitted by someone with knowledge on them?

Hi Im just hoping no one took my questions regarding the prong collar as an attack or as implying that these collars are cruel... I have never seen these used,nor even knew they existed until reading the forum... was just trying to get info

Thanks for the info everyone

Interesting! Thanks for the link and info

Forgive my naivety but I have never seen a prong collar used. I looked one up on ebay to see a pic. Can anyone explain how these are safer than choker chains? I have always used a harness on my APBTs with an oversized choke connected incase the harness breaks. IMHO these prong collars look painful... Can anyone explain how they work please?