Santo66

That's actually a very good dog to be able to work in such a difficult environment where the majority of dogs would have backed out of that in the surf and would be an intense dog who could handle that amount of pressure. When the handler came onto the beach from the water, the dog was lighting up in a big way where the handler was starting to choke him out of the attack to regain composure, there was no simple command and the dog relaxed, he was ramped in fight. From an earlier thread about supposed protection trained dogs who can bite a sleeve or suit in prey drive and maintain composed obedience, dogs like that won't protect for real outside of a training scenario...exactly what is seen with this police dog is the intensity required in a dog for real protection work that can be relied upon to do the job beyond all else.....unfortunately dogs like that are not the best company at a family BBQ without extreme vigilant management.

What's the purpose of a tight line breeding 2-2 on Hassan in the pending litter Huski......just interested? "Santo", there is no point in answering any of your posts when they are always filled ulterior motives. I am sorry if you feel my posts have ulterior motives, I can assure you it wasn't intentional, my apology :) I was genuinely interested why you would tightly line breed on Hassan what traits he has that perhaps yours didn't have that you were trying to lock into your line?

I don't why people need to mess with a dog's food. It's good to get sit or the dog comply with a command before they are released to eat, but once that's done, leave the dog alone and let them enjoy it. You don't need to stick your finger in the bowl or take it off them to prove a point....that's all a load of crap IMHO. I think many food aggression situations are caused by the owners being stupid, taking dinner away from a hungry dog is understandable it could piss them off......I would get pissed off having a meal out somewhere and the waiter grabbed my plate whilst I was still eating it....It's a no brainer I think.....give the dog dinner and let them eat it in peace.

What's the purpose of a tight line breeding 2-2 on Hassan in the pending litter Huski......just interested?

Great post I was going to say that the breeders who reckon they can choose the right pup for a particular owner are telling lies for the most part unless they have a very good understanding of what the buyer wants in the adult dog. That's what I do with breeders........why did you breed the bitch, what makes her breed worthy, what does she bring to the table, who's the stud, what does the stud bring to table, why was that stud chosen and how does he complement the bitch, what are they trying to improve etc etc, in fact I have found more breeders who don't know they are doing beyond making puppies....shame about the dud rate

It's an example of what can happen in the fray with an operative protection trained dog in heightened fight drive. It was definitely mistake that he bit the handler, but in that state of defence to bring a person down for real, a dog's clarity can become clouded as to who he's chomping on. From another source it was believed that the dog already hold of the offender re-directed as the handler became involved in further subduing the offender in the scuffle. Obviously a very good dog in fight intensity to work whilst encountering the surf environment, an environment that the dog had possibly minimal training to remain focused on the job. It can happen in the fray with any dog and any handler in lots of situations.. Redirection isn't an uncommon trait in dogs. Correct it can and when people are protection training pets and teaching them to fight, their vulnerability for suffering re-directions in the fray is much higher than the average pet owner who's dog may only encounter a serious scuffle once in a lifetime if at all. The point of reference is for people in belief that protection training dogs means super safety, clarity and control where the dog is supreme in discrimination. As in this case, a dog trained in protection who can do the job when keyed up to fight are dangerous, they can re-direct, they can bite the wrong targets, they can get out of control quickly in the fight.....protection training pets needs to be met with extreme caution is what I am getting at.

It's an example of what can happen in the fray with an operative protection trained dog in heightened fight drive. It was definitely mistake that he bit the handler, but in that state of defence to bring a person down for real, a dog's clarity can become clouded as to who he's chomping on. From another source it was believed that the dog already hold of the offender re-directed as the handler became involved in further subduing the offender in the scuffle. Obviously a very good dog in fight intensity to work whilst encountering the surf environment, an environment that the dog had possibly minimal training to remain focused on the job.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-21/police-dog-bites-handler-during-beach-scuffle/5107264 Here is a good one after a recent thread where people were discussing the safety of protection trained dogs, what type of character in the dog is required for the job and how they should behave. In this instance the dog re-directed off the offender and onto the handler in an apprehension fight These people training working GSD's and Malinois who are essentially pets in personal protection thinking it's cleaver and safe and bragging about their ability to do so, need to take a reality check of what there are creating

That's what happens I agree, but my point is that it's no good blaming the government for their own poor choices and they need to take some responsibility for their own actions as no one forced them to get a restricted breed look a like?? Then there is the blatant "I am having or breeding Pitbulls regardless of the law and they can get stuffed attitude".....just register them as crossbreeds or what the white collar non conformists in the breed did by running Pitbulls off falsified Amstaff paperwork....albeit probably the cleverest option to make a Pitbull comply??. Whether or not a Pitbull is a threat to the community is a separate debate, but the point is, they are restricted along with assumed crossbreeds of and people need to ensure that their dogs comply otherwise grief will be the obvious outcome if caught with dogs of questionable breed. On a side note: A niece of mine earlier this year against my better advise bought a Staffy X Lab puppy......a prime candidate to fit the restricted breed criteria, however she said it's not a Pitbull X it's a Staffy cross because they told her that at the pet shop where she bought the pup.......good luck with the ranger on that??

I genuinely feel for people who's dogs are subject of these laws, but what I don't understand is that BSL and restricted breed laws have been around for many years and any time over those years, dogs that may resemble restricted breeds are vulnerable to having restrictions placed upon them. Regardless if the laws were ever policed in the past to any great depth, the laws were still in place so is that too hard when making a decision to get a dog especially an unpapered dog or crossbreed to actually check the laws which all the councils publish to determine if the dog you intend to get complies with laws in place? Is it too hard to check the laws out in your council area prior to getting a dog, that is you are supposed to register the dog with council anyway and abide by council law and coming across the restricted breed list and having a think gee whizz, I wonder if the Bully pup I want to get is a Pitbull or may look like a Pitbull when it grows up and then because a Pitbull is a restricted breed and getting a pup who's breed is difficult to identify, could getting this Bully pup cause me some grief? Because of the restricted breed list it's possible that an unidentifiable Bully pup could cause some grief, is it not too hard to be on the safe side well within the law to pass on the unidentifiable Bully pup or crossbreed and buy a papered Amstaff or Stafford from a registered breeder or another breed that looks nothing like a Pitbull instead?

The Halti was designed by someone as a money making exercise.....it's the most stupid and useless dog training tool I have ever encountered and just because someone put it in the market place for sale, shouldn't mean that it needs to be accepted as a valid training tool in any dog training facilities when no dog needs a Halti in order for it to be successfully trained. The whole concept of the thing is wrong from a training perspective exceeding the goal of easier management of an untrained dog whilst it's on the dog's head. The quicker training facilities ban those stupid things the better IMHO

Return to handler of their own accord should always be a pleasant experience for the dog regardless of what the dog did previously as they live in the moment. Punishment applied is at the wrong end, if they are going to apply punishment is when the dog attempts to bolt with a leash correction then reward for not bolting. A dog is not willingly going to recall to face a good thumping although plenty do it, it's a stupid practice for attempt at training recall.

A halti is a management tool for people who want to manage their dog and not train it......I can't understand why a "training" club would use a halti as a compulsory collar which makes no sense at all A halti is a constant aversive whilst on the dog's head....even if they are aversive training with corrections, you need a collar device that can switch on and off........if they are training motivationally.....what's a head collar achieving

Very true I totally agree, but what I don't get is when professionals require a dog to bite and cause some damage in a working role, why don't they use just "any dog" on the basis that they all have teeth and they can all functionally bite? Why do they use specific breeds and character types when the ability to bite is said to be not breed and character specific?

I have never seen two dogs labelled Pit bull's that look the same. One I know and believe is a genuine Pit bull was quite a small female aside from the red nose could be anything to the untrained eye really? I guess when someone is intrigued by a long coat GSD's "unusual colouring" for a Husky, breed identification isn't healthy Not a bad theory Pepe......probably is in the ballpark. It's unfair that dogs are incorrectly labelled as breeds they are not, but we can't ignore the fact that some of these Bully X breed concoctions can have some serious aggression....the worse dog aggression with serious intensity to hurt another dog I have seen are generally from these type of dogs. A lot of different breeds and mixtures bark and jump around at other dogs and flex a bit of muscle but most with a good "piss off" command will move them on......I don't know why "piss off" seems to work so well, it must be the tone or Cesar Milan whisper perhaps :laugh: but I don't like getting charged at by these Bully type dogs....they make my heart thump harder in that position than other breeds how I am going to handle the situation and try to protect my dog if this dog descending on us at a great rate of knots flashing teeth is a real goer