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Mathew B doesn't own a dog, never has, never will with any luck.

I have never seen a fighting dog used in a role with Police or security guards. They aren't as controllable/trainable as dogs such as the German Shepherd. My brother was in the Army in QLD and good mates with an MP on the dog squad of the Army base guards. He said the level of self-control those dogs have is amazing. He saw a training scenario one day - in a bite suit one of the MP's ran from a dog that was sent to detain him. Just before the dog reached the guard in the bite suit, the dogs' handler issued an order to stop the chase and to return to his side. It did so immediately, without hesitation. Bet a pitbull wouldn't have that kind of restraint. Why do you think they aren't used in this role? APBT are used as search and rescue dogs, police dogs, and if you can be bothered watching the video they can be used as protection dogs, they can also be used to herd cattle and as therapy dogs but many people have already written this but you do not learn. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT DOGS< PLEASE DON"T EVER CHOSE TO OWN ONE!!

I agree. I even said as much.. but its hard to watch people making arguments that are illogical and claims that are unjustified. I tell myself everytime this subject comes up to stay away.... but it suckers me every time. Don't stop posting, lots of people read this and need your viewpoint instead of the unbalanced ramblings of mathewB

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be? OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes... You have no clue as to what makes a fighting dog or for that matter how they're bred!! Your statement is so illogical to everyone on this forum or to anyone who actually has any idea about dogs at all, which you clearly do not. You must know that the APBT (google it you may learn something) was bred to be HUMAN FRIENDLY!!! It's hard to explain to somebody who has no interest in learning anything.

The fact that you believe this is why dogs attacks occur on people indicates you are but an outsider looking in, with so much to learn on this forum you could benefit by re-reading this thread and understand what people are saying, not just breed owners but in fact the whole dog world, (as mentioned by PF but you may have chosen not to read it)

Different story altogether. I don't want Collies banned either because they are not a dangerous breed. Please try to keep it sensible! I didn't say I want a ban on all dogs, just dangerous ones like the pitbull. So you haven't managed to learn a thing, most importantly you haven't managed to learn that banning pitbulls will not reduce dog attacks!!! I still think you're still making it all up and coming on here just to wind people up, because no-one can be as ignorant as your posts make you out to be.

Good post Melza, I'd hazard a guess that MatthewB wouldn't be able to identify an APBT, or that the story has been somewhat fabricated to justify his view, but i'll take it at face value. I'd also bet that he didn't plan on having his own argument turned against him. MatthewB, i do hope now you have managed to learn a little? I was attacked by a collie whislt playing football, it ran onto the park and latched onto my leg good and proper, (i was 10) I do not however want all collies or farm dogs for that matter removed from society.

Mathew B, Love of this breed does not blinker people, it does however give people the right to post on experience which is a little more than what you would have with the breed. Poodlefan is pretty much spot on, as is Lo pan, tybrax, RNB,etc.. hopefully you'll take an emotional step back and learn from some of the people on here.

Such a sad case. Everytime i read such stories it makes you wonder how you're raising your dog and considering the reports say it was a family pet, you wonder where things went wrong. And until you can answer all the factors that PF mentions in his post we all be none the wiser and will have to speculate somewhat. I don't know that they have the breed right, 56kg APBT i think not. If only they headlined the facts then people may learn from these incidents.

IMO, They should have left their dog in the car, seriously what did they think was going to happen? that the 2 resident dogs would think, "omg it's a K9 officer we better settle down and behave!" The coppers should've instructed the owner to lock them up, or as in many cases call an ACO to come along to the house and control the dogs before entry. The internal investigation will only find in the polices favor. Should they have shot the dogs? to protect their dog, yes probably, but it is their fault that they put the dog in that situation when they could've avoided it with a bit of diplomacy.

Have to agree with everyone, poor old lady and pony!! but saying that "imagine what it could do to a child", really has nothing to do with it IMO. It truly could do harm to a child but in all likelihood probably wouldn't happen.. ie many DA dogs, hunting dogs know the difference between animals and people... of course there are exceptions to the rule, but imagine the damage any dog could do to a child, because really that statement can apply to all dogs. The dog does need turning in though and the owner charged.

I know of some very true to type apbt, i love them... in the right hands they are everything that anyone could wish for in a dog. In the average can't be bothered to exercise/train my dog home they're perhaps not suitable, it all depends on the individual dog and how it's been bred etc.. but this goes for all breeds of dogs. Gotta agree with what Robbi says 100%

You'll have to put that on facebook!!

Joe; Many countries are trying to get away from BSL because breed bans don't work. Lo Pan; making sense as usual, many people who own pitbulls are totally law abiding citizens but their love for the breed outweighs their conscience on BSL laws, so they own one and try their best to do the right thing by the dog.

So true Staranis, I've lost count of the number of times i've heard people referring to their dogs as rednose, what stupid uneducated fwits.. if you're really into a breed learn the facts!! And as someone else posted having a rednose certainly doesn't make it a pitbull, labs, dobes i'm sure there's more and people just buy into the hype! They somehow think that rednose is some special type of pitbull which it is not. And i doubt there's any true ORFN in Australia.

Thanks, We'd love to get someone out, the only person in the NT is Bark Busters. The issue only arises when the older dog is barking at the fence like a lawn mower (over toys now and again but they're separated for play time with me) and the male thinks it's a game so will play with her and she'll growl and chase him which usually ends up in them running around the yard playing nicely.. but if she catches him and hurts him stick up for himself, ie he'll submit all day long unless she makes him yelp which isn't often but it's happened on 2 occasions where he's had a go back. The rest of the time there isn't an issue (that i see) she gets fed first, patted first and let out of doors first etc.. but now again she's quite aloof and isn't bothered if a fuss is made over the male as she just doesn't want any attention. He loves peoples attention, where as she isn't that bothered so he'll follow us around all day where as she wont.. maybe he's trying to move up the pecking order?

Can anyone recommend a reputable Doggy boot camp..? Living remote we're stuck with our own training and occasionally we could do with some professional help. Basically our older female dog is dominant and our younger male has just started to stick up for himself a little. Problem is he bigger and stronger and has hurt her a little, so we're naturally trying to sort this out asap.

Did anyone read the rest of the comments? One lady wrote about that dog approaching her and her kids and sitting for pats.. another case a bad journalism, yes the owners are at fault but so are all the other owners of dogs who're potentially chasing people/animals.

I'd just register the dog as whatever the current BA says. shouldn't be much of a drama.

It depends whether the owner declares the dog of a restricted breed when they register it.. It really depends on the local council, we all know the Gold Coast council are terrible to deal with. Just get someone to call the local council and find out.

Thanks Nekhbet.

I should word myself a little better. The overall inherent personality of the dog will not change. Testosterone can give an extra level of zing to some personality traits like territoriality, dominance, tenacity etc but also once learned that dog will keep those habits to a degree even after a late desexing. Desexing only makes a major change when there is too much testosterone and it is driving the dog into behaviours such as picking fights, extreme dominance, extreme territoriality etc. Testosterone itself is not the only factor in causing 'unwanted' behaviours but can aggrevate innate behaviours to be at a higher level. If you have a well bred dog with a good temperament then really what is there to change? If you have an aggressive, nasty dog well 1) it should be out of the gene pool any way and 2) the extra testosterone will be a millstone around your neck. One example - bull breed x with a set of nuts the size of oranges while still a pup/adolescent. Showing major territoriality traits when out of home. Desexed, calm within a few weeks. Testosterone fuelled that behaviour, yes. But it didnt just materialise out of nowhere either did it? Do you think some genetics could have been involved? If people want quiet family pets they should choose breeds and lines specifically bred as COMPANIONS with low to no drive and no guarding instinct. That is what makes the difference not if the dog has a set of nuts or not. I want testosterone because I want that extra push behind what some people call unwanted behaviours. Training is the majority that gets that snowball rolling, but the hormones help it along. The only time I will suggest a client desex their dog is if they show behavioural traits that are a problem in society - aggression, extreme dominance, picking fights etc, the behaviours are limiting the dogs/owners ability to live a normal life and they are not a dog for breeding. Apart from that if the owner can control their dog and it's trained and socialised then frankly, it is their own business if they desex or not. I provide people with information and they can take it or leave it. But I dont believe in forcing someone to do something just because I believe thats the way life should be in general. 'Average owners' with untrained and unsocialised brat dogs will caused problems desexed or not. Any desexed dog that goes up to an entire dog and picks a fight has problems. Vice versa. I think the bigger problem lies in the fact we expect some dogs and some breeds to behave like we all gather around a campfire and sing KoombahYah together in peace and harmony - they're dogs. They wont always get along with others all the time. Mass desexing is not going to change that. Let the owner try training, and if it's not progressing that well due to confirmed testosterone fuelled problems then desex. If the dogs just a pain in the butt because it's never had training and old habits die hard then pushing to desex wont make a difference will it? A question for you Nehkbet; My entire male is pretty cruisy, he has a high prey drive and gets a little drooly around some female dogs, he is friendly with dogs he's introduced to... Now he's grown up with our dominant bitch (desexed) who for the most part is the yard protector etc.. Do you think that growing up with a dominant female has curbed his testosterone levels? or his propensity to display the behavior?

I think if it was introduced properly and said dog met all the health requirements, and the breed was in need of new blood so to say then you'd have to agree it could work. Maybe the dogs would also have to be of a certain age so that any health tests that you can't do as a pup would more than likely be present in an older dog. Could another of shoot of this be BYB amstaffs could be registered as a purebred and therefore avoid BSL.

And what was the "breed" AST, SBT or APBT? Or was it just a short-haired muscular mongrel? Quite frankly if it was reported as a pitbull it could be anything. RIP poor dog.

Do you have a reference for this? I couln't find any when checking out Greens policy on feral animals. The article says they prefer a single dog trained to flush the pig, then return so the hunter can take a safe shot. Greens have a very strong stance against the use of 1080. I have never flushed pigs with dogs nor seem it done, but I have been around pigs. I am not sure one dogs could flush a wild pig that did not want to go. I think to get an adult pig moving and not trying to fight back you would need at least a few dogs and I bet 5 is about right. Pigs are very big, can be very mean and not afraid to fight. My friends say a bailer and a couple of lugging dogs is sufficient, many larger dogs will hold a pig one out. Sadly dogs do die in this sport mainly due to owner ignorance and under preparation which is why it's best left to the people who do it seriously who care and look after their dogs properly.