geo

Euth'd without a quetsion...? It's not about "big macho dogs"..., it's about lazy irresponsible owners, i get harrassed everyday by SWF chasing my dogs as they're not kep contained, same lazy irresponsoble owners. all the "big macho dogs" in my area are well contained, and just as you may make the correlation between having a big dog and someones persona doesn't make all the dogs bad. though i do see where you're coming from.

Sorry to hear about your mums birds, and the owner doen the right thing. Don't worry about breed bashing, i'd fully expect my dogs to chase birds along with about 80% of the dog population of the world, let alone all the cats that continue to kill our native fauna. I'm not so sure we'll be able to take every natural instinct away from our domestic animals. I'm not saying we should take away any natural instinct from any breed of dog, the breed I am going into is still very primitive and basically havent changed. But it shouldnt be instinct for any dog to go into someones elses backyard and attack caged birds! But like i said the owners of the dogs were so so great!! dogs don't understand "someone elses back yard", they don't understand cages unless they've been caged. but i know what you mean, i ceratinly wouldn't be happy about it, but it's not the dogs fault, they're just acting on urges that the owner has failed to curb or understand what anilmals are likely to do, it's why we walk them on leads 'cause we can't trust them not to run off or chase other animals, it's why we don't leave our plates on the floor full of food and not expect them to eat of it.

a weapon? the same could be said about any animal with teeth!!!

Sorry to hear about your mums birds, and the owner doen the right thing. Don't worry about breed bashing, i'd fully expect my dogs to chase birds along with about 80% of the dog population of the world, let alone all the cats that continue to kill our native fauna. I'm not so sure we'll be able to take every natural instinct away from our domestic animals.

Councils can and have placed dogs that aren't on the customs act on their restricted dogs list. For the DPI to change it's rules they would have to amend the customs act i believe.

I hope the DPI get it right. 126 amstaffs out of 30,000 'registered' dogs isn't many, i wonder what breeders who are having puppies of amstaffs are going to do in qld .. do they register their dogs and potentially put them in the firing line, or wait a few months to register them and see what if any new laws are made.

Totally agree, declaring a dog dangerous on those grounds is totally unreasonable. As for the council, probably thought they were getting rid of one of those "pitbulls", someone should be sacked, sued, dragged over hot coals. I bet this wouldn't of happened if he was a SWF or lab or whatever, hell i'm surprised he lasted 4 days, poor little fella. I do agree, the owners let him down. Was he taken from his yard? or did he escape?

There have been some meetings, unfortunately the people at the helm are at the whim of if and when the "rule makers" want to talk. There are mainly just your avergae joe working on this in their spare time, this is why to fight BSL we need the bigger players involved like the AKNC, RSPCA, cainie control councils, maybe we need to get the people over from Holland and Italy as they have succesfully repealed BSL.

Well BSL has been turned over in other countries, hopefully when people can evolve their way of thinking we can over turn it here too. FYI In the UK amstaffs are also banned.

You forget they were the peoples dog, funny how quickly you want to forget the ancestory of your breed.

nope nothing sadly but will post anything i hear.

Firstly the chow, akita etc.. never had half the media coverage or are they that well know to the general public, you mention pitbull and they think they know. As for the renaming; many people state they are the same, so some owners probably thought 'hey i could give up my pet to somebody totally useless in breed id re:22 point checklist.' or i could call them a staffy cross. I don't condone this, but as stated by SBT and yourself you want to look after your own first. The apbt owners were on their own, sure some gave up thier dogs (all of a sudden thought they owned a killer dog), why as a dog owner i'll never know, i'd rather of relocated, or sent my dog elsewhere. You are not the victims of the APBT, and you stated yourself you "had no-one to hide behind" let them take the rap, you're victims of your ignorance by not fighting this when it happened and leaving the apbt out to dry, This is not intended for the good folk (zayda) who've put up a fight for both sides.

What do you mean 'you', i've haven't done anything wrong against 'their breeds'.. most apbt owners love their heritage.. we haven't created anything, the media created a monster, thugs embraced it, they mistreated the dogs, dogs have attacked, they got the news coverage and so on and so on... You're abandoning dogs, you think you're better? like i said thugs will embrace whatever they feel is macho, they will not read up on the amstaffs, they will get hold of them and call them pitbulls, they will not look after them properly, they will put them in the spotlight in a bad way... not us responsible owners.

Thanks ima i appreciate your post, i think had there not been that surge to go bigger ie the american bully we may have seen them in a registry. But i also feel all the registries so desperatey want to stay away from the tarnished pitbull, they don't want to lose members because there's a pitbull in the ranks.. the pitbulls history is exactly why the AKC named them the Amstaff, so they woudn't be linked to the 'fighting dog', (along with the standard but i'll get to that) and thats why many registries wont have them, it's not because they can't prove there size etc.. i've read a few pitbull standards and they're all pretty much the same, and most reputable breeders try to achive that, all the monster short wide dogs wouldn't get a look in, I know the UKC has a few but that is selective breeding at its worst, the UKC also has some great dogs. I've seen 40+kg registered pure bred amstaffs, along side 15" tall 15kg amstaffs, now tell me it has something to do with all being different to each other and not the fact that the people running these clubs don't want them. i think any club president who wanted pitbulls in their register would be ousted pretty quick.

You mean your edging your bets 'cause you want to take the easy way out. If any one has the chance to change peoples minds and help dog ownership in this country you'd think it would be the so called professionals that proclaim their love for all dogs, ie AKNC, RSPCA.. The CCCQ, RSPCA want to distance themselves because of handouts from the government.. governments want to distance themselves because of public liability and their complete lack of control when it comes to animal management and licensed ownership, hell they still let pet stores sell puppies which the UK banned years ago for the welfare of animals! if you've missed all the media hype lately about the SBT, i'll let you know that they're fast becoming the media target for any dog attacks, i think the last 4 reported on TV were staffies, even though they get it wrong it is now your dogs they are targeting, they don't care about pedigree or the AKNC or facts, as it sure as hell ain't going to stop a dog biting someone.. "oh no he doesn't bite he's a pure bred, registered with the AKNC don't you know..".

So i take it, if there was a slight chance of any breed being placed on the BSL list you would steer clear of it? do you stop supporting your favourite sport teams when they're losing? change your political party because of popular opinion..? It's not a just pitbull fight is a BSL fight.

Wont you want support when they come after staffies? Like i said it's bigger than the pitbull. Wouldn't you rather have legal controlled pitbulls instead of thousands of 'staffie crosses'.

ima, the BSL picture is bigger than that of just the pitbull, this is what i'm trying to get across. You can argue that it's not a pure breed, but then you'd be saying that amstaffs are also not a pure breed..? I was of the understanding that many many years of registered bloodlines, papered pedigrees would make them a pure breed. (hey i could be wrong). What on earth do you think they are if they're not purebred? you think that millions of dogs that look the same is just a coincidence? Oh the AKC wouldn't buckle but they'll open the stud books to them!!! Anyway i really don't care that your think they're not purbred, it's really not the issue on this part of the forum, and it doesn't bother me one little bit if i had a mongrel cross or a purebred. I'd just like to get everyone against BSL.

I'm sure they were thinking about saving their dog and fighting BSL, they've sure saved a lot of dogs which is more than most people on here, and by no means thought about putting the amstaff in the spotlight, that was the GCCC so build a bridge and get over it. Nothing for me to get over Geo, I don't own restricted breeds what's funny about that? do you even own a dog?

SBT123, are ANKC the only important dogs?, by going it alone aren't you then leaving all the other dogs behind like some lesser animal or are all dogs not on a register unworthy of you support? I've said a million times we should all band together for all dogs, why wont you help? what has the pitbull ever done to you? or are championship points and perfect gait more important..? do you think that having a piece of paper makes your dog better.? Where do you put temperment on your breeding priorities or is it all about looks? as that is what BSL is I admittedly am not a fan of SWFs, however if they were in the firing line i would stand up and be counted, if one was being belted on the streets i would say something.. if they'd been persecuted and mistreated like the poor pitbull i would want to help them. People have made this mess not dogs. If your dog got misidentified i would help your dog too.

I think we should both re-read comments, as i didn't call you a snob, we both agree yobbos have put us in this position, and i'm certainly no yobbo. Your post was half fact, re-read my post i mention that i believe an APBT is a purebreed, how you think they're not is beyond me.. sure in your shoes i'd feel a annoyed (ANKC dog owners are the minority of pet owners in this country) but it's not the dogs fault but the idiot owners, and they're only such a small number, i bet more yobbos own amstaffs than well bred pits any day.. So the sooner you stop blaming a breed and start thinking that we should unite the better.

I cannot belive you doubt the fact that it is a pure bred dog, and standards are just something to aim for when people are breeding, judges all judge differently and their opinions vary greatly... do you forget that the Amstaff standard was based on a Colby dog, one of the oldest bloodlines in pitbull history is the standard for the Amstaff..!!! are you going to say that only an amstaff is pure because the ANKC says so, and forget the UKC, AKC, ADBA, APBR etc.. sure there are dubious breeders out there and it's these people that have been the downfall of the breed not the dog. it has never been the dogs fault, but human mistreatment. Shame on you for blaming a dog for all of our dog woes. An apology, how rude, if it wasn't for all the elitest snobs in 'dogdom' we could've fought this a long time ago, but no they all wantedto wash their hands of the 'pitbull'.

mine love to sleep on their backs licky licky licky licky!!!

Afraid not, depends which state, sometimes which council... rescue dogs are at the most risk as they generally just get PTS even if they're suspected of having a little pitbull in them.. the pounds don't like them but they'd rather rehome a SWF. So not peoples pets then. That guy was obviously a dickhead though since he didn't even call about his dog. Yes most definately peoples pets!!!! many people have lost their family dog over BSL!

Afraid not, depends which state, sometimes which council... rescue dogs are at the most risk as they generally just get PTS even if they're suspected of having a little pitbull in them.. the pounds don't like them but they'd rather rehome a SWF.