mantis

Just make sure you don't stay out all night. :laugh:

That's a fantastic article.

Every room in my house is decorated with red & black the colours of the Bombers, towels, sheets, doona cover, couch etc. & most of my clothes as well. I am obsessed with my footy & my dog. :D

Yes, because it's usually the well trained dogs that are surrendered or stray etc :laugh: My Cougar is. That's why I wanted an older rescue, I didn't want to go through the puppy training again.

Just in reference to all the dogs running off leash at the beach when they should have been on leash, do any of you who do this give any consideration to people who want to take their dog to on leash areas and can't because no one is obeying the rules? Not all dogs can handle other dogs running up to them and it's not fair for those dogs and their owners to not only not be able to go to off leash areas because no one has "effective control" of their dogs but to then also be unable to go to on leash areas because people are letting their dogs off leash there too. I agree - I get tired of people who think rules don't apply to them. I won't take my dog to a beach at all because of all the off lead dogs - I don't know what these dogs are like and I am not going to risk my dog getting attacked and killed because of some idiot who thinks complying with laws and rules is anal. It makes me angry when you can't walk your dog, because idiots think they can do what they like. They don't understand that a lot of dogs who are FA/DA, is because they have been attacked by off lead dogs. Sure your dog might be friendly, but keep it out of my dogs face.

But I love footy as well, I even buy doggy membership for Cougar, as I used to for Kenny. OK, I am nuts.

:laugh: :laugh: A bit off topic, but years ago, I was out walking the dogs, rounded a corner and there, sitting on her doorstep waiting for her lift to the footy was a woman I was acquainted with, attired in all her football regalia: hat, scarf, t-shirt, etc etc. It was all I could do to keep a straight face. This woman was well past middle age - - - - Yep thats why I wrote that, Ive also observed people who are like that Most people have something they are really passionate and even obsessive about.. ours just happens to be our dogs I wear a scarf to the footy. :laugh: It's a footy forum, but like DOL it has many different forums like politics, entertainment & the general discussion one, which is where I mentioned Cougar, it's like Off Topic here, people post all sorts of stuff. Unfortunately there are a few self absorbed young guys, who only care about themselves, so can't understand anyone caring about something else. It's a lot cooler today, so no need for Cougar's vest. Off to give her a chicken frame.

I know I am probably over the top & pamper my dogs too much, but I always put my dog first, after all they can't look after themselves, they rely on us.

I'm a member of a footy forum & they bag me about the way I care about my dogs. When I said today that Cougar was cool because she had a cooling vest, they freaked out & said they wished there were fines for people who care too much about their dogs. WTF. Is it really weird that people look after their dogs welfare?

Exactly, this "pie in the sky" attitude is all well & good, until ONE dog attacks another dog, or a human. Then you get media hysteria calling for more restrictions placed on all dogs.

ROFL, I agree. Nothing in that study reveals anything us dog owners didn't know already.

I wasn't having a go at you Neks, more the fact I was taking the easy option. Kenny was seriously SA dog, he chewed up many beds, couches, doonas clothes & anything else he could find, the reason I left him outside when I wasn't home.

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/246372-guide-dog-dies-in-hot-car/ I might get slammed for cross posting, but this was on the "In the news" forum. A trained professional leaving a dog in the car because he forgot about it. How can we expect Joe Public to understand leaving a dog in a hot car, can be fatal, when we have trained professionals doing it. OK, I am now running away, because the people who defended him in the other thread, will be here soon.

I would never totally discount it BUT it's extremely hard to do properly and not possibly have some bad side effects if the situation is not totally set up correctly. It depends too if it's true SA or if its an anxious reaction which are two very different things. A truly panicking dog should not have it used, I have seen it done on a dog that had manic episodes when put in a run and owner walked off, so owner decided to get an e collar ... well dog ended up rolling on the ground screaming with a stim and dog kept getting worst oddly enough ... When I got the dog, it screamed just being put into a partially built enclosure (ie posts and one side fenced) because the fear was now that bad. Most tools are for when dogs can be put into or already in learning mode otherwise they just frighten the system because the brain is not in the right mode to comprehend what's going on. It's similar concept to when you're already really afraid and someone comes up behind you and grabs you, it doesnt stop you, in fact you would heighten and probably snot them one in a thrashing fit because you're in fright/flight mode NOT rational mode. If it's just barking then you have to look at what is causing the barking. Breed and gender can be a big issue and usually there are other factors. I had a client ask me the same thing today, she said her dog may have the beginnings of SA because when she takes the other dog out for a walk her large recently desexed possessive male has a howl for a bit. Mmmmm probably more it's 'oi get back here woman' from the dog :laugh: Thanks - I was thinking it would be somewhat like an hysterical person getting a slap to "snap them out of it" always works in the movies :D Kenny was a barker & howler when I was at work I didn't slap him but the next best thing, was put a super sopper on the bin in front of the fence, so if he wouldn't stop barking, one of the neighbours would give him a spray, he was cured in 2 days. But I guess you have to have a dog who hates water & good neighbours who will do it. :laugh: Nekhbet probably doesn't agree with my method, but it worked.

I once used to be able to do this with my previous girl too. There would be some good things if we could turn back time, but that would take a shift in mentality as well and that makes it hard <sigh> . What's a bit evidenced here is the almost *shock; horror* at such a thing and I guess that is because as generations move onwards, they become sensitised to this as such a novelty thing. Ermy I come from the 60's where all dogs ran free. Alas you can't do it now with the threat of dogs being declared dangerous & kids not being taught how to respect dogs. As I said, I have seen little kids run up to a tethered dog, while the parents do nothing. I agree it's sad, but we can't risk our dogs, because it's no longer the 60's unfortunately.

Good for you, I would contact the ranger as well, to talk to the owner. I don't know how hot it is in NSW, but it's very hot in Vic today, leaving a dog for even 15 minutes would be dangerous.

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=6&t=246394&qpid=6123688 This post is from the OP in another thread, notice the trend?

Only problem with that is, no one would steal your human kids, but if you tied your dog kids next to them, they'd be gone in a flash.

My suspicions from the thread you started, have been confirmed.

I haven't watched the video, but after reading all the posts I don't want to. If a dog is suffering & can't be cured, do the right thing & send it to the Rainbow Bridge.

I don't make my own, but I buy Natures Gift treats, so much healthier than Schmackos.

I have owned more yellow collars and leads then red. I always use red collars & leads. Tying a red ribbon around the lead, will still alert people.

For those that do this, please consider that persons with assistance dogs might be forced to either wait until you come out or run the gauntlet and hope that dog right outside the door is well tethered and not DA. It could be frightening for a vision impaired person with their guide dog to suddenly find themselves within reach of another dog while exiting the building. Exactly, it affects more than just the owner and the dog. There could be small children who are scared of dogs (or adults who are scared of dogs!), toddlers who don't need a dog to jump on them or rush at them, or anything. It's just irresponsible and selfish. Thanks for jumping down my throat! When I say 'right outside,' I mean tethered to a tree on the pathway, well away from the door and with at least 5 metres to spare if someone needs to get through! My dog is excellently behaved in any case, and is certainly not DA. He is not friendly with people he doesn't know, and he would never approach someone. He just doesn't care! And if it's tying him up for a couple of minutes vs leaving him in the car, I know what choice I'm making. But what if someone is walking their DA dog & your dog approaches it, or a young child runs up to it & pulls it's ears, or tries to sit on it? I have lost count of the number of times, i have stopped a child approaching a tethered dog & told their parents, they should never let their child approach a strange dog. If your dog does bite a child who hassles them, then your dog will be either PTS, or declared dangerous. Is it really worth the risk?

Gawd, can't believe this ridiculous thread is still going.

Agree, it should be red.