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Then you get a bitch who always gets Bitch CC over 5+ bitches at a time but can't get RUBOB - this type has been missing out in the point score for years. I don't think there will ever be a true or fair point score that we will all agree on. I think all would agree with you on this.

I did not receive a breed break down with my numbers either, they were posted on ozshow - I wish more clubs would do it.

I have edited your prefix, we had it listed but with no breed assigned to it.

Royal Show dates for 2013 are as follows: Canberra Royal 21 - 24 February Sydney Royal 28 March - 10 April Toowoomba Royal 11 - 13 April Darwin Royal 25 - 27 July Brisbane Royal 8 - 17 August Adelaide Royal 6 - 14 September Melbourne Royal - Saturday 21 September to Wednesday 2 October Perth Royal ?? Sept/Oct Hobart Royal 23 - 26 Oct

You have a point, I assumed just breed points as it's called Breed Challenge Competition. ETA I agree if the group points are added it has taken a step backwards.

I have placed two orders, just thinking if I need a third - I really struggle to order and most of what i like can be purchased here anyway for a similar cost.

No, CC points only for the Breed which has been renamed Breed Challenge Competition

I picked most of mine based on looks as chances are I won't own one.

GROUP 1 Affenpinscher 3 Australian Silky Terriers 7 Bichon Frise 9 Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 43 Chihuahua (Long) 12 Chihuahua (Smooth) 7 Chinese Crested Dog 25 English Toy Terrier 6 Griffon Bruxellois 9 Havanese 6 Italian Greyhound 12 Japanese Chin 3 Lowchen 9 Maltese 6 Miniature Pincher 7 Papillion 31 Pekinese 4 Pomeranian 8 Pug 29 Tibetan Spaniel 3 Yorkshire Terrier 4 Total 240 GROUP 2 Airedale Terrier 3 American Staffordshire Terrier 3 Australian Terrier 3 Border Terrier 6 Bull Terrier 2 Bull Terrier (Mini) 1 Cain Terrier 21 Fox Terrier (Smooth) 12 Fox Terrier (Wire) 1 Jack Russell Terrier 7 Kerry Blue Terrier 1 Manchester Terrier 1 Norwich Terrier 2 Parson Russell Terrier 6 Skye Terrier 2 Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier 2 Staffordshire Bull Terrier 52 Tenderfield Terrier 4 Welsh Terrier 2 WHWT 8 Total 139 GROUP 3 Brittany 2 Clumber Spaniel 7 Cocker Spaniel 16 Cocker Spaniel (American) 3 English Setter 1 English Springer Spaniel 17 Flat Coated Retriever 4 German Short Haired Pointer 14 German Wire Haired Pointer 1 Golden Retriever 28 Gordon Setter 5 Hungarian Vizsla 11 Irish Setter 19 Irish Water Spaniel 1 Italian Spinone 2 Labrador Retriever 23 Pointer 6 Sussex spaniel 1 Weimaraner 6 Welsh Springer Spaniel 3 Total 170 GROUP 4 Afghan Hounds 10 Basenji 8 BFDB 1 Basset Hound 15 Beagle 5 Borzoi 10 Dachshund Long 5 Dachshund Min Long 2 Dachshund Smooth 3 Dachshund Min Smooth 15 Dachshund Wire 4 Dachshund Mini Wire 8 Deerhound 18 Foxhound 2 Irish Wolfhound 2 PBGV 2 Rhodesian Ridgeback 17 Saluki 8 Whippet 28 Total 163 GROUP 5 Australian Cattle Dog 1 Australian Shepherd 18 Bearded Collie 13 Border Collie 26 Collie (Rough) 17 Collie (Smooth) 3 Finnish Lapphund 6 German Shepherd Dog 12 Old English Sheepdog 11 Puli 3 Shetland Sheepdog 16 Welsh Corgi (Cardigan) 3 Welsh Corgi (Pembroke) 13 Total 142 GROUP 6 Akita 6 Alaskan Malamute 9 Bernese Mountain Dog 16 Boxer 31 Bullmastiff 12 Dobermann 20 Dogue De Bordeaux 2 Leonberger 3 Mastiff 4 Newfoundland 6 Portuguese Water Dog 6 Pyrenean Mountain Dog 4 Rottweiler 24 Samoyed 54 Schnauzer 1 Schnauzer (Miniature) 3 Shiba Inu 2 Siberian Husky 9 Saint Bernard 6 Total 219 GROUP 7 Boston Terrier 1 British Bulldog 10 Dalmatian 27 French Bulldog 6 Great Dane 8 Japanese Spitz 1 Keeshond 6 Lhasa Apso 5 Poodle (Miniature) 6 Poodle (Standard) 2 Poodle (Toy) 6 Schipperke 10 Shar Pei 2 Shih Tzu 7 Total 97

Yarra Valley Kennel Club Dec 17, 2011 at KCC Park Group 1, 1-243 Group 2, 244-383 Group 3, 384-543 Group 4, 544-717 Group 5, 718-859 Group 6, 860-1078 Group 7, 1079-1177

Mine arrived today.

I like the fact it will be based on challenge points for BOB and that it is capped at 40 shows/results (less would have been better, but hey it's a start) So if a dog now wins BOB and there is no other entries they will be entitled to 6 points compared with 1 under the old system? Yes No idea That what will be happening now... Beat 2 dogs, you get 8 points Beat no other dogs, you get 6 points As apposed to the old way where 10 could have be entered and you are the only one who showed, Your CC says 6 points, yet the DOL point score would have said 10.

I agree with you, however was are talking about two different things. Marie is on day 63 from a progesterone of 2, The vet stated she could feel her cervix was dilated, The whole point of this discussion is you can not feel the canine cervix with a finger.

She still couldn't have reached the cervix, have you seen the length of an AI tube? An internal on a Fauve not in season, nor in active labour im surprised a) that she did it, b) she allowed c) you allowed it.

Why not just leave it as Challenge - as you don't get extra points for RUBOB? I can see people submitting RUBOB even if they got no CC points.

How did the vet check that the cervix was dilated, as even on a smaller bitch (Frenchie as an example) the cervix is more then a fingers length from the opening.

I like the fact it will be based on challenge points for BOB and that it is capped at 40 shows/results (less would have been better, but hey it's a start) yes it's a good start .... I emailed a couple of questions to clarify a couple of the things on the Breed Challenge. It mentions; Runner Up Best Of Breed - what if they were not a CC winner ? Where does it say Runner Up Best Of Breed? CC winners only as it says - Breed Challenge Competition - Previously known as Best of Breed competition. in the section; •The following results are eligible. ◦Best in Show (All Breeds or Specialty) ◦Runner Up in Show (All Breeds or Specialty) ◦Best In Group ◦Runner Up in Group ◦Best Of Breed ◦Runner Up Best of Breed ◦Dog Challenge ◦Bitch Challenge Arhh I see, I wonder if it's a cut and paste from the 2011 rules? I'm sure troy will be along soon to answer the questions.

I wonder if the heat policy % is still included?

I like the fact it will be based on challenge points for BOB and that it is capped at 40 shows/results (less would have been better, but hey it's a start) yes it's a good start .... I emailed a couple of questions to clarify a couple of the things on the Breed Challenge. It mentions; Runner Up Best Of Breed - what if they were not a CC winner ? Where does it say Runner Up Best Of Breed? CC winners only as it says - Breed Challenge Competition - Previously known as Best of Breed competition.

Mine has still not arrived...

In addition, there will be a new Show Results section which will collate all the results submitted to our competition into an easily readable format. You will be able to see all the results submitted for a show on the one page. http://www.dogzonline.com.au/dog-show-results/

I like the fact it will be based on challenge points for BOB and that it is capped at 40 shows/results (less would have been better, but hey it's a start)

Can be found here - http://www.dogzonline.com.au/pointscore/2012/ What has changed from the 2011 competition? Show Dog of the Year - Only best 30 results (points value) will be counted. This competition will also be used as the basis for selecting Australia's entry to the Eukanuba World Challenge. (More details of this will be released shortly.) Breed Challenge Competition NEW - Previously known as Best of Breed competition. Points will be awarded based on challenge points received (NOT the number of dogs entered). Only best 40 results (points value) will be counted. Rising Star of the Year - Only best 40 results (points value) will be counted. Shows with total entry less that 250 will only receive half points for class in show and class in group wins. ADVANCE® Breeder of the Year - More titles now eligible for points. Neuter Competition - NEW Junior Handlers Competition - Only best 40 results (points value) will be counted.

Dane club has a stall, im going to pop down and say hi.