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These Rainbow ones weight just 5grms each and remind my of new shoelaces in regards too softness. Fit neck size 16-29cm, 5mm wide. These Spotty ones are 7 grams each, these are thicker and stiffer. Fit neck size 16-29cm, 1cm wide. I have some others I have not listed yet, they fit 20-30cm and only come in a pack of 4 and weight 9grams each. It's difficult trying to work out what quantity to list collars in for people due to various litter sizes. I had thought of the buy 1 at a time etc, but I found that was not what many wanted. I'm always open to ideas.

A bit like Glen's database Meg.

So if this registry is just about health, why the shows, change breed standards etc? We have no mandatory health testing in my breed, I have been pushing for it via the Vic Club. We tried to get a National Body again so we could take it to the ANKC, the some of the other clubs would not agree. I will still test for my sake and my puppy buyers sake regardless. If you check my site you will see I am one of only a handful in my breed who hip and elbow score, and yet I go further by doing ECG and Thyroid - I think there is 2-3 who do this, including myself - My results are public. Unless the ANKC brings in mandatory health testing it will do people no good. As only those who want to be open and honest will be, the others will keep it to themselves like they do now. An example, on my results site which gets over 5000 hits a week world wide there is a Hip and Elbow score page. Breeders/owners can submit there results for all to see OR submit the results as Anonymous ( to try and encourage people to submit results) I care more about the breed average score then the dog who the results belong to - Sure if I plan to use a dog/buy a puppy etc I want to know, but if it's just dog XXXX it does not concern me. The breed average is what concerns me. In 2 years we have 24 dogs listed, 80% are pet owners. 2yr old page. The site has been widely promoted by various methods and people, yet people still don't want to test nor advise others of there results. As only those who want to be open and honest will be, the others will keep it to themselves like they do now. ETA The words - change breed standards etc?

But it's not a case of one or the other, is it? I thought I read earlier that it is about dual membership. Which basically means that for a whole $55 per year you have another organisation filling voids that the other one (which you still need to belong to for the reasons you mention) can't, won't or doesn't. The dual membership/fee doesn't bother me, it might bother some others. The voids the MDBA might fill do not fix any of the ANKC problems there might be, instead it takes it away from them and doesn't make them stand up and fix the problems. If you were to say we are starting a business/organisation to tackle the ANKC problems, I would be the first to put my money where my mouth is. Two registries, how is that helping out the purebred registered dog world? You would have one registry that can register puppies/show/FCI/World Wide etc and another who might have a better COE but won't be recognised by the rest of the world in regards to puppies/show/FCI etc So yes it is a case of one or the other for many Breeders/Showies/Obedience etc World Wide recognised puppies and Titles, vs Recognised in Australia Only.

Yes it does but its hard to do and its one stand out per year for something way out of the ordinary - how would they choose which breeders to elevate to some level over any other and what criteria would be used. How would you come to their attention over any other? How would you prove your worthiness and how many , and how often should this award be handed out? I'm sure the ANKC would work it out (if they were to implement it), just like the MDBA did when they started to offer the award.

Just commenting on this, when the MDBA started up I don't think its' goal was to start it's own registry, it had other agenda's. This discussion is about the registry, not the MDBA. I would be saying the same thing if XXX wanted to do the same thing.

QLD is the only one who has that program at present as far as im aware, and no I don't agree with the tick the boxes and pay you get it. As I have previously said.. No fee, an award. Sounds interesting - how do you see that managed? We hand one out at every awards evening with the Diane Gunn Scarcella memorial award. Its the only one we dont take nominations for from the public. How do you pick your winner then, It comes from within the organisation same as I Imagine it.

This is what I don't understand. Here comes along an organisation that seeks to fill the voids that exists within another organisation (who is not dumb to what's going on; the grumblings; etc). Breeders have a choice. Refuse to join the second organisation and work with what they've got and what they've had for ....... how long? Ummmm ..... 60 years now? ... ok, that's a choice, although people have tried to communicate; have voiced their concerns; have voiced their opinions; etc. etc. And it is how far a long to being better? They can, if they wish, join another newer organisation. One which expresses its acknowledgement of problems that need addressing; that have needed addressing for a long long time but which (not for the want of nudging/trying) aren't being addressed satisfactorily and without detriment to the very breeders that are the 'other' organisation's members (this is as I understand things). It will cost a fee. Certainly. I'd even expect that. But if that organisation was no threat to what I did as a breeder (if I was one) and indeed if that organisation could provide me with some benefit, be that by way of support/attestation to what I do and/or by support in working for better laws (or helping prevent or at least working against laws that are degenerative and in opposition to my very [ethical] aims and goals), then I can't see what the problem would be. I would happily pay that fee. Btw .... What fee are we talking about, for breeders, Steve? It may fill some of the voids, but it can not do what the ANKC does in the terms of pure breed puppy registrations/showing/accepted world wide by governing bodies etc. I'm sure many would not be an ANKC member if they did not have to be - Fee aside. To me it's like Bunnings being compared to Coles, both offer a different service.

QLD is the only one who has that program at present as far as im aware, and no I don't agree with the tick the boxes and pay you get it. As I have previously said.. No fee, an award.

I don't stock those exact ones, I stock some very similar thou HERE Some work out to be $4.15 per collar including postage, the other lot which are a heavier grade $4.50 per collar including postage.

Annie99 I find you very hard to follow, almost nutty.

disagree, that's what life memberships are handed out for. And im saying that (if I had it my way) the elite breeder program (or whatever you wish to call it) would run a similar way, by the existing governing body and not a private business.

Many have looked into this with no luck, There has been a few threads on DOL in regards to this.

An ANKC membership is not free, it also covers a variety of fields, being a registered breeder is just one of them. I'm not talking about those who already have a life membership, they have been handed out for different reasons. I'm saying if there is to be an elite breeder program (or whatever you wish to call it) it should be done by the existing governing body. And awarded as a high honor based on morals, ethics, knowledge and commitment ANKC and It's members decide, not just pay a fee and you get it.

Because the current one doesn't seem to be working very well, does it? Or do you think it is? There is certainly room for improvement, as I said why not join it and help it to improve.

How do they have a greater burden? There is no difference between an ethical ANKC breeder and an MDBA breeder. Only that the MDBA breeder member has coughed up more money to be a member of an extra organisation. if we use selling to pet shops, ankc breeders can sell to PIAA pet shops and mdba members can't so therefore a greater burden is placed on mdba members as they are not allowed to sell to pet shops which reduces a point of sale for them And you think an ethical ANKC breeder would? Selling to a pet shop wouldn't even enter the equation for the majority of ethical ANKC breeders. no of course not. this is not about breeders but the organisations. the ankc organisation says it is ok for its members to sell to PIAA pet shops. i know ethical ankc breeders would never do this and i assume they are not happy this is part of their code of ethics. the reality is though that the ankc has no problems if its members does sell to pet shops and this is what i am talking about Because the ANKC is an organisation, they can not legally restrict freedom of trade. It's not about allowing people to do it, they have to allow them to sell them to the 14 accredited pet shops should breeders wish to. Not something I agree with.

They are on sale again On sale Wed 12th Jan at Harris Scarfe for 1 week $129 Phone orders 1300 304 505

They look the ones Bokezu bought from the other place to me, in fact it's the same picture. ;)

Interesting results.

Seems we posted at the same time. I know they do, providing they do not use registered dogs, do I agree with it - no.

I know they do, providing they do not use registered dogs, do I agree with it - no.

Excuse me ? Since when does the MDBA allow its members to breed cross bred dogs? That's how I read it, happy to be correct if im wrong.

not sure unless it is a voluntary restriction, ie agreement by breeders not to engage in that activity and ramifications by the organisation if they breach their voluntary agreement? Can someone tell me if this is right ANKC - sells to pet shop MDBA - does not sell to pet shops If that is the case, I will go with MDBA So you would rather support the MDBA who will allow it's members to breed cross breed dogs??

According to the PIAA website there is only 14 accredited members. 6 - Boarding Kennels & Catteries 2 - Grooming Salons & Mobile 6 - Retail Business Whilst I don't agree with it, I take it to mean there is only 14 places that registered breeders could sell there puppies to?? The list to the members does not work.

I hope that was worth it. Worth it no, but it just proves rotten eggs DO (not yelling) slip through. No registry/organisation is perfect, no person is perfect.