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I think it was more for aesthetics, otherwise wouldn't it be best to crop the entire outer ear off???

If you are unfortunate enough to live under Frankston or Kingston rule, and do not want your dog desexed, perhaps this guy can help: Vet Condemns Forced Desexing

FRANKSTON council will NOT accept any new registrations for non ANKC dogs over 12 weeks of age. They will not register your dog unless it is desexed. http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Animals/De...ions/index.aspx Refusing to release impounded unregistered dogs to their owners unless the dogs are desexed, effectively makes this law retrospective. This is mandatory desexing no matter how you butter it up. And why anyone would clap and yay the further erosion of dog owners' rights is beyond me. Will be interesting to see how many clap and yay when Councils decree that only Registered Domestic Animal Businesses can own entires. Wont affect me because I can get a DAB reg., but I would be perturbed and less inclinded to clap and yay about Franskton and Kingston et als new council laws if I was a non breeder who enjoyed their right to own an entire dog.

Exactly, the families who didn't win the tender could have selected another dog, no-one had to miss out. I find the tender system strange but this just reads like another 'boo-hoo I didn't get what I wanted story'. Those animals should be desexed before any one gets to buy them regardless of how they want to sell them. Yes but the story isn't about their desexing - that's a DPI legislation issue for NSW. In VIC all dogs from pounds must be desexed before rehoming - BTP is not the only pound in NSW that does not desex before rehoming. Yes thats right but when they give the reasons they do for using that system as trying to keep down puppy farmers and backyard breeders buying them it makes little sense when they go out entire anyway???????????? I suppose if a cute fluffy goes for $400 instead of $60 it does put off some BYB. but I dont see animals being sold entire as the focus of this article - the article is against the bartering system that BTP uses - MORE animals are killed at Blacktown Animal Holding Facility than anywhere else in the state, yet it continues to use an archaic system where people have to bid to rescue a homeless pet. one reason BTP have offered for their bartering system, is that it reduces BYB purchasors. Perhaps it does.

Exactly, the families who didn't win the tender could have selected another dog, no-one had to miss out. I find the tender system strange but this just reads like another 'boo-hoo I didn't get what I wanted story'. Those animals should be desexed before any one gets to buy them regardless of how they want to sell them. Yes but the story isn't about their desexing - that's a DPI legislation issue for NSW. In VIC all dogs from pounds must be desexed before rehoming - BTP is not the only pound in NSW that does not desex before rehoming.

I soooo want to join this thread but I'm scared I will jinx it! will have to wait a little longer

At least they give all types of dog a chance at rehoming. Yes I suppose some dogs go for $400 and some for $60 - it all works out in the end. Big deal so the family missed out. So rescues should only be al cheapo??? I really dont see the 'story' in this article, someone with a gripe or going after BTP. It also raises questions over whether it promotes pet adoption when the RSPCA has successfully opened its first non-profit pet shop at Rouse Hill. I really dont see what RSPCA's shop has to do with it??? What is RSPCA putting in a bid for BTP?

Thanks Jeff I have sent you a PM

Anyone know this 'working' canine breeder/trainer? http://damchevk9.com/homepage1.html

Depending on what mood I am in if a puppy enquiry sends me a one liner email (like yours above) I'm likely to send a one liner back. Mostly because I figure either a) they're not really serious; or b) if they are genuine, then they have a bit more information to share with me before I'll consider them seriously for a puppy; c) if neither of the above, then they are probably not a puppy home but someone fishing for information.

What is the science for so many more diseases/problems with inbreeding? if you do a search on inbreeding you will find that the science is about the same for both sides - steve has written quite extensively on it. nb: as a budding vet, it is stomething I would want to get a clear idea about, because there will come a time when you get a clients presenting you with a linebred dog, and you don't want to assume that because its linebred it is more prone to diseases/problems Yep yep, thats why I was asking Because i'm not up with all the knowledge and I'd love to learn more so I'm a knowlable vet in the years to come :D . I just would LOVE to learn more about the purebred industry - I was just lucky that I have a good friend who told me the great things about all you registered breeders, and the great puppies you breed with so much love and knowledge you all have. I didn't mean any offence by my post, but because i've never been in the breeder aspect of it I was just curious ' The only science is with people i'm talking about (Only what people/public hear) - that was why I mentioned that I don't know anything about it with dogs is all in my first post. Trust me, i'm not critising, just trying to learn . okay well this is the tricky thing to be wary of - 'common belief' often isn't science someone more proficient at doing searches will post a link for you ... steve has written quite a bit on DOL about inbreeding and the science FOR inbreeding ... with differenct examples of where it has occured successfully in both human and animal populations - not just dogs.

What is the science for so many more diseases/problems with inbreeding? if you do a search on inbreeding you will find that the science is about the same for both sides - steve has written quite extensively on it. nb: as a budding vet, it is stomething I would want to get a clear idea about, because there will come a time when you get a clients presenting you with a linebred dog, and you don't want to assume that because its linebred it is more prone to diseases/problems :D

HOW ADORABLE!!!! ;)

Yes that's true - when I first looked into veterinary science about 15/16 years ago there was not so much animal welfare component now reentering, I have noticed that the courses have totally reorganised their focus/course content. I think there is a shortage of large animal vets because there is a shortage of graduating vets with a background in or a familiarity with animals. Admittedly I'm an animal snob but if there's one thing I cant stand, it's vets that are awkward around large dogs and horses.

Which state is the purchaser - as that will determine the exact requirements - each CC have different requirements wrt co-ownerhsip; though you don't have to join the interstate CC where the purchasers resides. in VIC you have to write out a letter stating the terms of your agreement, both parties have to sign. In Tasmania, you only have to fill out a form which states what the syndicate members can and cannot sign for ie litter registartions, show entries. Best to contact the CC where the pup/dog is going and ask them what will be required.

well, we've got the seminar

lol okay

I don't think you can make that assertion fairly. Some breeds go together well, some owners may have the land, financial resources and the time to own a few breeds and breed them very well. I'd even go so far to say that sometimes you learn more having more than one breed to compare. I have Central Asian, Anatolian, Kangal there'll be a time when I consider South Russian and Estrela, maybe Caucasian I'd argue that the breed collective teaches me more about the total dog than the breed singular. I'm fascinated by dog mechanics, behaviour and their natural interactions. It certainly doesn't make one a puppy farmer.

Very early on in their development, the BRT also benefitted from the blood of the South Russian Ovcharka.

yay PF and moreover, what is bidability? you can have DA dogs that are extremely bidable and you can nervous dogs that are extremely bidable you can even have some dogs that are so friendly and so bidable that they are almost idiotic evrything that you think you might 'exclude' to breed 'bidable' can actually coexist with bidable quite well. it's not really 'bidability' or 'friendliness' ar any other amiable euphemism that makes a dog good with children, safe with the infirm etc but rather its a dog's nerve which determines its dependability and predicatability (and the dependability and depth of 'bidability') all other traits fall into place with nerve - because its nerve which dictates how a dog's innate responses will interact and be expressed.

Thankyou they have made an appointment to see Ian

Thankyou ahmadi - I had a sneak peak at your website, you have beautiful dogs - congratulations on your achievements

I want to know if the photo of boof in chains was as they found him or recreated for the scene. Neighbour Gordon Shelton said that after he saw the dog being "jumped on" he waited until the owner went to work, retrieved the animal and called the RSPCA.

kittykat: "If there was a pound for two year old toddlers... how full would that be I wonder?"

Does that make it a fault of the breed or the buyers? dontchya know poody that if dem breeders didn't breed 'em with a nose then they wouldn't get dumped?!